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African Delegates Agree to Form "United States of Africa"
 
Delegates from throughout the African continent and diaspora met in London from October 7-9, 2006 and laid out a program for building a single international organisation to forge a continent-wide "United States of Africa".
 
The group will be known as the African Socialist International (ASI), a worldwide organization dedicated to uniting the countries of Africa into a single nation under the leadership of the African working class in alliance with the poor peasantry. Its Founding Congress was set to be held in March of 2008 in Senegal.
 
Signing on to the effort were African participants from South Africa, Sierra Leone, Congo, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Cameroon, Uganda, Guyana, Belgium, Sweden, the U.K and the U.S.
 
One after another, delegates denounced the borders that were imposed within the African continent by European colonial powers at the Berlin Conference of 1884-5 as the primary impediment to African development and well-being.
 
ASI Interim Committee Secretary General Luwezi Kinshasa declared, "For so long, African riches and talents have shaped, against our own will, every aspect of modern civilisation in the hands of our oppressors. With all of the scattered fronts of the African liberation movement united into a single fighting revolutionary organisation, the world will be changed forever."
 
The ASI Interim Committee adopted the task of bringing Africans from around the world to participate in the organisation's Founding Congress in 2008. They also agreed to support and participate in the International Tribunal on Reparations for African People scheduled for June 2007 in Berlin.
 
Sbusiso Xaba, President of the Pan Africanist Youth Congress (PAYCO) of Azania (South Africa) called for the quantification of the reparations owed by white countries and corporations to African people worldwide, to include the materials, labor and development time lost during colonialism and slavery.
 
PAYCO is the youth branch of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, the group led by Mangaliso Sobukwe, which inspired the mass movement forcing an end to apartheid in South Africa. Speaking to delegates, Xaba reported that the conditions facing the indigenous population have not improved under the current ANC regime. "African workers have lost 20% in real earnings since 1995, many living on $2 per day." Conference participants denounced the continuing white settler occupation of 80% of the land of South Africa.
 
Also participating from South Africa was Nkrumah Kgagudi, Secretary General of that country's 25,000-member Metal and Electrical Workers' Union. Kgagudi pledged his support for and participation in the ASI based on the group's main resolution, which is posted on www.asiuhuru.org. He will lead the ASI's initiative to build an International African Labor Union.
 
Chernoh Alpha M. Bah, former child soldier and journalist, reaffirmed his committment to the ASI, representing the more than 70,000 members of the Africanist Movement that he founded and leads. He noted, "Our membership, spanning the countries of Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia, is larger than the armies of the three countries combined."
 
Other leaders of the Africanist Movement including the national coordinators from Guinea and Liberia were unable to attend because they were denied visas. British authorities also blocked delegates from Barbados, Nigeria and Ghana from entering the country to participate in the London Conference.
 
Conference convener, African People's Socialist Party (APSP) Chairman Omali Yeshitela noted with outrage, the irony that Africans from Barbados and other parts of the Caribbean were encouraged by the British to "come home" to rebuild Britain's industrial infrastructure after WWII, but are denied entry when coming to organise in their own interests. 

In addition to setting the date for the Founding Congress of the ASI and pledging participation in the Reparations Tribunal, Conference delegates also passed resolutions to:

o   Actively support and participate from their respective countries to share publishing and electronic media resources through the Burning Spear Newspaper and UhuruRadio.com and to establish internet cafes in African countries and communities with limited internet access
o   Support the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania in its electoral and revolutionary activities in South Africa
o   Build a sustainable electricity and clean water infrastructure in West Africa, to include micro electrical dams and rain water harvesting

In closing the Conference, APSP Chairman Omali Yeshitela declared, "The struggle now has an entirely new configuration. We no longer work in isolation. We can share the human and natural resources of Africa to free our people!"
 
For more information on the African Socialist International, visit http://www.asiuhuru.org (http://www.asiuhuru.org), telephone (0) 208 265 1731, or email to: uhuruasi@aol.com.

Thank you very much for informing us.  we are fully with the organisation

I guess it being a priority , if Africans sit down , re - organise their History facts and to place it to the future generations to come to know the real facts of what has been long going on in Africa . What will be so different from the times of Pan Africanism Association  ( PAA ) , Organisation of African Unit , and the shortly change to African Union ? What is this madness of changing names to be called United States of Africa -  ( USA ) of Africa ?  Why don't we first of all talk of the failure view points of the so termed PAA , OAU AND AU ?  Lets see for example such naked truth about Africa which feels ashamed to talk of :   

A British Imperial Army ( King's African Rifles ) was established in 1891 under the Kavalli Agreement of 17 September 1891. The Agreement was signed by the English Captain Frederick D. Lugard who later became the Governor- General of Nigeria and Major Selim Matera , a Citizen of Lado It was him Governor - General. Lugard who developed the British Colonial Doctrine called The Dual Mandate ( Indirect Rule ), which is still in force through the Commonwealth Pyramid Divide-and-Rule System with the Queen / King on top, and under the Sovereign Head are the British Administrators, and below them the Local African Chiefs. The only difference today is that the British Administrators are replaced by the African Presidents who are operating as Governor - Generals dancing to the tune of Remote Control These British Commonwealth African Kings, Presidents and Prime Ministers rule in the firm belief that they are the True Sovereign Heads of their Countries. But in actual fact they have been reduced to mere Governor - Generals / Administrators ( International Public Law ). In Reality then this explains why the many different Indiginous Peoples of Africa, consisting of four Main Social Entities - " Races " ( Bantus, Hamitics, Sudanics and Nilotics ) believe they are Independent . That is also the reason behind the savage Conflicts going on in Africa  ----


Lado .

A "united states of Afrika" !
It doesn't sound right to me "united states", Afrika is too big. it would be better, we have a Federation or a union similar to the European Union where member states still sovereign but conform to some common law and forward Afro lingua & social-political-economic developments. And most of all, some national boundaries reviewed and changes made according to ethnic closeness & similarities which were not considered by the colonialists. 

A "united states of Afrika" is just far away from reality and the chances of that happening will remain slim as long as we still have puppet prime ministers & presidents (or govern generals like brother lado said), they are always going to the west to ask for fish we can catch ourselves and food we can grow in our vast fertile & mineral rich land. WHAT A SHAME TO ALL OF US, AFRIKANS.
   
We need a big change in Afrika, before that can happen. Change from colonially designed pyramidical constitutions with most of the powers with the presidents who are often puppets. To the old and again colonial education system meant to enslave us and make us educated fools, hating our own history and appreciating the Greeks and the Romans. Whats wrong with shaka/ Timbuktu/ Nubia/ Pianki/ chetawayo/ Kush/ Axum/ Shabaka/ Lalibela/ Zimbabwe/ Ghana/ ityopya/ moorish conquest, and many more of our great history ? Our development is as much connected to our history as our race direction.


PEACE, LOVE AND HARMONY BE TO OUR RACE.

UHURU KU BANTU BAFRIKA !

Dear AFRO MUNTU  ,

If only Africans take heed of what you have said  " Our development is as much connected to our history as our race direction. " My compliments for your just keen observation for this on this forum . Welcome my friend   Please , may you pick on reading of what I have put down on this forum the Topic : WHY IS AFRICA HIDING / KEEPING SILENT OVER THE INDEPENDENCE ISSUE OF LADO STATE ?

My contact :  Ladostate@yahoo.com

 AS  LADO   ( User Name ) .

Brother I want to say this. Africa must be united as one state at least brown Africa (the one you call black) because the borders were put in place by the whites and they divided it in a racist and evil way, dividing the same people speaking the same language into different countries, making the same family foreign to each other cause they were placed into different countries, Africa will always have problems as long has we do not free ourselves from whites, peace will only come once whites are unwelcome in Africa, the Unity of Africa as one state can be achieved and it is not as hard as you may think, because we have one very important element witch is we never divided Africa, the enemy did and placed our people into different countries to control  us, all we are going to do is to  remove those borders and reunite the people back into one united Africa, the only challenge will be to prevent and if necessary defeat whites attempt to foil the great vision. Africa peoples do not have a problem with the unity of the continent, the threat is from whites.

You said Africa must stay like the European union with some borders readjusted to put same ethnic according to ethnic closeness, I disagree with that idea, because we have to be able to do what we want without whites interference, we have to reach a level where we can do as we really want, not do things cause our enemy do not want it that way, Africa never was divided by us and it will be a natural thing to reunite it, the only threat is whites, we have to defeat the system they imposed in Africa and we will achieve our goal.

Let’s not be influenced by whites propaganda that say Africa is too big and cannot survive united, African use to be one before the whites invasion and deliberately dividing it, different communities use to live in harmony and there were never borders as the whites put it, ethnic group use to live in harmony sharing the land, so it will be only natural for Africa to be reunited the way it use to be, I am convinced that all the problems

of Africa are created by whites, not a single one by us, many may not agree with me simply cause they do not see the picture the way I see it, how do you want Africa to have a smooth ride toward totally  freeing itself when whites are the main sponsors of coup d’etat in Africa, whites control the world media, they control the world financial system that they use to destroy leaders who want free Africa, one example is Zimbabwe where they failed to remove president mugabe despite all their vicious propaganda against him and attempt to finance a rebellion in the country have failed, they now using sanction as a

way to collapse the government of president mugabe, as long as whites neo-colonialism system is not defeated we are in for big trouble, and that is not a reason for cutting short our goal, real fighters keep the  fight on until we achieve what we planed, Africa has achieved success in the fight against whites domination and that has to be recognized, if we have achieved such success that mean we can defeat the system of neo-colonialism and the jail like financial system the whites put us in. whites have failed to achieve their

objective in Zimbabwe to remove president mugabe by force, that mean we can achieve our objectives of uniting Africa as one state, South Africa is another of our achievement
Now our people are running the country, we have come a long way, we still have a long road to take but it doesn’t mean we have to do as the enemy want because they want to keep

Us divided, failing to unite Africa as one state will be a success for our enemy and a failure for our people, the only obstacle to that unity is the whites race, why should we leave our enemy succeed in their dirty goal. You also must not forget that keeping Africa scatted the way it is, will keep Africa weak and easily manipulable by the whites.
So uniting it as one state is the answer. 

I agree with this brother wholeheartedly, he hit the nail directly on the head. For afrika to prosper and the rest of the the world for that matter, the power must be given back to the people. And as far as a "United Africa" WAKE UP my people, can't you see that this is just politricks. To give power to a state which governs the entire continent, is the same as giving BABYLON access and control over the entire continent without any opposition, Believe that.

Ain't that just a system spreading onto Afrikan Continent? I agree with Afro Muntu, "united states" sounds a little suspicious  :-\ Here is some info I've read some time ago, not very fresh but I think worth attention.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9516/gu.html

Artist: Bob Marley
 
Title: Africa Unite


Ziya-po ya-ya, pa-pa-ya-pa!
Ti-da-lee, na po-po pu-du-loo!
Ste-na-peh na-na po po-ro po!
Africa unite:
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon,
And we're going to our Father's land, yea-ea.

How good and how pleasant it would be before God and man, yea-eah! -
To see the unification of all Africans, yeah! -
As it's been said a'ready, let it be done, yeah!
We are the children of the Rastaman;
We are the children of the Iyaman.

So-o, Africa unite:
'Cause the children (Africa unite) wanna come home.
Africa unite:
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon, yea,
And we're grooving to our Father's land, yea-ea.

How good and how pleasant it would be before God and man
To see the unification of all Rastaman, yeah.
As it's been said a'ready, let it be done!
I tell you who we are under the sun:
We are the children of the Rastaman;
We are the children of the Iyaman.

So-o: Africa unite,
Afri - Africa unite, yeah!
Unite for the benefit (Africa unite) for the benefit of your people!
Unite for it's later (Africa unite) than you think!
Unite for the benefit (Africa unite) of my children!
Unite for it's later (Africa uniting) than you think!
Africa awaits (Africa unite) its creators!
Africa awaiting (Africa uniting) its Creator!
Africa, you're my (Africa unite) forefather cornerstone!
Unite for the Africans (Africa uniting) abroad!
Unite for the Africans (Africa unite) a yard!

^^^^
I smell babylon, unu smell it?
smell like swine.

When bob said Afrika Unite, trust his idea was not United States of Africa. Trust InI on that.

United States of Africa? Not another USA.  >:( NO. No, no, no. No. Too many names: the N word(s), colored, black, negro, Afro-American, African-American, the United States of African (that was a joke) .... not necessary. I think there should be more focus on helping black people out rather than on how we should be referred to. The United States of America is one country/nation, and it has what, 50 states?  Africa is a freakin' continent. The second largest one, in fact. Isn't it? Well, whether it is or not the name now is fine.
I'm personally for uniting black people as a people first... Brazil, the rest of South America, the Caribbean, and Africa, and have us working together to increase the self-love. Handling our diversity would be a big jump IMO. The problems in black communities in America won't go away because of any of this until we get to the roots of the problems.
I'd love to see a nation like that where we're all happy and proud of our different yet incredibly diverse cultures, but to become a force politically? Those from the Far East and South East are Asian and certainly have similarities, but are too different to have a united political force. Hence North and South Korea, and all that. The US, Canada and Mexico are all part of North America, but does North America have one government?
 As long as we talk about Africa uniting politically, I'm going to have to go with "It's too big". I believe that true unity for Africans involves getting 'your hands dirty' and working to help black people on an individual/small community basis, and then when it snowballs, watch out. 8) I'll worry about the rest later.
I didn't answer the question well, did I? Well, I did, somewhat.

The answer to that question is yes. It is part of the push for the One World Government. I agree with most of the points that you made, but I think you should do some research on words like: Globalization, New World Order, Illuminati, etc.

I did a thread on The North American Union check it out and reply after you watch the videos:
http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=4269.0 (http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=4269.0)

peace and hotep,

Ras_Nevoe,

would you agree that the ideas of New World Order or One World Government has been sponsered by the old world order of White Supremacy? if so, where does people who have been classified as non'white' fit in to illuminati intentions? if not, what do you think about non'white' participating in "The New World Order"?

from your view, should africans at home or abroad unite for any common goal or just 'justice'?

.....

I'm not sure what you mean by Old World Order, because no one has been successful so far in having complete sovereignty on the entire planet. The United Nations was an attempt, The Council on Foreign Relations, another attempt. Hitler's Nazi Germany was also an attempt on World Domination, but they were trying to get rid of Jews as well, so it's obvious they were not a part of the Illuminati conspiracy.



Non-white people and white people as well have no "part" in the The New World Order. If you are not part of the secret societies, you're just a slave. That's why white folks all of a sudden wanna become "allies". I've seen non-white freemasons, but i'm sure that they are on the lower levels where there isn't much light(knowledge). That's probably just a front considering the freemasons are mostly Jews.


I think we Afrikan at home AND Abroad should unite for ALL common goals, not just ' justice. Besides I don't believe that there will be justice, until we focus on JUST-US (non-whites).

I think I understand, now. You want to know if New World Order was sponsored by the System of White Supremacy. NO. The Illuminati conspiracy is centuries old. Almost all, if not all American presidents were part of, or became apart of the secret societies(Illuminati). If they tried to expose this conspiracy, according to an oath they take at initiation, they must die. JFK is a prime example.

Even so, I am not sure if uniting politically will do much for crime rates, education, poor economy and all that, until the we, ourselves are willing to group and do something about how things affect us directly, and right now. I highly doubt that such political efforts are necessary at this moment in time. Even with Powell and Rice having/had government positions, it doesn't stop black people killing each other for gangs, drugs, or stealing for daily survival. The government doesn't make a difference to them, I think, and I don't see how Africa becoming one political force will help someone eat or get a better education right now. But, what do I know, right. If it happens, it happens. Whatever.

I don't understand....I was agreeing with you. Only thing I disagreed with was that there is no North American Union. U.S. of Africa, European Union and North American Union is part of an attempt to form a One World Government, a New World Order. New World Order is not a good thing, neither is U.S. of Africa. The european countries that are apart of the E.U. don't even have power to make their own laws much less govern themselves.

PLEASE. click on the link I gave you in the last post, view all the videos, then reply with what you learnt.


PEACE!

Ooooh... okay. My fault. I'm sorry.  8)
When it comes to the government, there is a 90% chance that I won't have anything nice to say, because I'm so ignorant on these issues ;D. I see what you're saying now. But I don't have faith that any of this stuff will actually come into fruition, as of right now, because some personal reasons and because I didn't watch the video yet. I'll read your thread and comment.

This is the thread on The North American Union check it out and reply after you watch the videos:

http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=4269.0 (http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=4269.0)

If you ever want to reason with I you can find me on yahoo messenger, Ras_Nevoe

Ras_Nevoe@yahoo.com

Yes Iyah...dat nuh sound right....a betta dem seh United Africa and done or United Countries of Africa

Africa no need no United States of Africa. Dem already have di African Union, U.S. of Africa sound like a babylon thing dat, "yo si mi?" Babylon think like if dem mek one Africa dem only haffi deal with one puppet government.

I do agree with you on such important insight view you are giving to us and may I add to tell to our brother Africans and Sisters  not to forget of the Western civilisation is based on the most Lethal Weapon ever used and still in use which has blinded the African mind and left Africa to be robbed of Her well being  :


THE MOST LETHAL PROTRACTED WEAPON THE COLONIALISTS HAVE AND STILL USE TO CONTROL THE AFRICANS AND ALL BLACKS : 
 

Of all the disguises the colonialists have used and still use, the most lethal is that of the holy man. Hiding behind the image of charity, brotherly love and a blonde and blue eyed Jesus – a counterfeit version of Yehoshua or Yeshua ( that what he was really called ) – missionaries, preachers and churches became some of the most culturally destructive agents ever to walk the African continent. 
 

Counterfeit Christianity is of course not the only culprit in the art of theological trickery and race based anti-spirituality. Practitioners of other religions have at various times unleashed the same sort of nonsense and justified their destruction of the ways of life of other peoples - in our case the Africans - with the reasoning that they were and are doing, the primitives a favour: saving them from their heathen and unenlightened selves. 
 

It is without a doubt though, that the damage inflicted on the African Psyche, the self loathing, the inferiority complexes and the shameless refusal to accept anything inherently African as having merit or value stems from a mindset propagated by the agents of counterfeit Christianity. 
 

Like a biblical plague of locusts, the missionaries descended upon our societies, bringing a forged version of the teachings of Yeshua the Nazarene. This lie they sold to us through the brand name of Christianity introduced a guilt ridden, self defeating, shame based venom to the African mind, disguised as the teachings of the supposed one and only Son of God. 
 

The young African was delivered into the hands of these merchants of mental death through the colonial education system. Colonial state and colonial church worked hand in hand to ensure the oppressed lost all knowledge of self and sense of human dignity. 
 

Lets set a few facts straight for those still clamouring to a slave mentality disguised as Christianity. The religion which you believe in, just to take one example, believes you to be less than human and cursed by God. Already I can hear the screams of disbelief and the accusations of blasphemy but bear with me for a moment and all shall be revealed. 
 

The root of this thinking is thousands of years of old. It is a thought system that can be traced to the older religious beliefs, from which the Christianity preached by missionaries sprang. 
 

It contains what came to be a basic corner stone in the justification of the oppression of Africans over the past millennia: The Curse of Canaan. 
 

This myth is mentioned in the Babylonian Talmud, the Book of Genesis, the Book of Jubilees and the Haggadah – which is a collection of Jewish folk lore comprising the non legal parts of the Talmud. It states in one of its forms : 
 

The descendants of Ham through Canaan therefore have red eyes because Ham looked upon the nakedness of his father, they have misshapen lips because Ham spoke with his lips to his brothers about the unseemly condition of his father, they have twisted curly hair because ham turned and twisted his neck around to see the nakedness of his father and so they go about naked because Ham did not cover the nakedness of his father. Thus, he was requited, for it is the way with God to mete out punishment measure for measure. Canaan had to suffer vicariously for his father’s sin. Yet some punishment was inflicted upon him on his own account, for it had been Canaan who had drawn the attention of Ham to Noah’s revolting condition. Ham it appears was but a worthy father of such a son. The last will and testament of Canaan to his children reads as follows: speak not the truth, hold not yourselves aloof from theft, hate your master with exceeding great hate and love one another. As ham was made to suffer requital for his irreverence Shem and Japhet received a reward for the filial deferential way in which they took a garment and laid it upon their shoulders and walking backwards, with averted faces covered the nakedness of their father. Naked the descendants of Ham, the Ethiopians and Egyptians were led away captive and into exile by the King of Assyria.”   ( Louis Ginsberg, legends of the Jews 1909 ) 
 

Other versions of the curse claim the descendants of Ham are cursed by God to be slaves, black and some versions even attribute the shape and size of the black mans genitals to this God given retribution. 
 

The essence in the myth is as follows: Black folks are degenerate and God cursed them for that type of behaviour. The logical follow up to the preceding point is, that if God hates them, then we (meaning anyone non black) is fully sanctioned to unleash all manner of hell upon them or “save them” from their degenerate selves. 
 

At times unleashing hell and “saving the savages” became 2 sides of the same coin, at others junctions in history it was one approach over the other, but without a doubt the driving force behind any action taken was always that same sorry song: God cursed U. 
 

This strand of thinking has managed to infiltrate all 3 major religions – Christianity, Judaism and Islam – in varying degrees. 
 

On top of that, it has taught the African to hate him and herself to such a degree that we have become unable to love, cherish and defend ourselves as a people. The most perverse part of it is we hate ourselves in the name of a loving God. Thought patterns, Alien to our original civilization and culture . 


The typical example of the western world mentors still continues in the wrong direction of the so called Gospel preaching of the Bible : 
 

The examples of hatred for the Black African, layered in so called religious traditions, which have shaped the outlook of millions through history, are abundant. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons based his exclusion of blacks from his religious movement on the basis of the curse. The, to this day, prevalent view of the black male as an oversexed beast, ready to stick his oversized genitalia into anything that moves stems from here. 
 
 

Even something as up to date as the approach taken to the issue of AIDS: that it is a matter of changing the sexual morality of Africans and improving their hygiene is an echo of colonial missionary thinking, which viewed the Africans as diseased, dirty and sexually out of control. These missionaries were again well versed in the initial source of this thinking, the curse. 
 
 
The Catholic Church used the curse to justify its heavy involvement in the slave trade. Bishop John Brown of the Bristol Diocese was a signatory to the Asiento treaty, which agreed that Britain would export 4800 Black slaves from Africa to the Spanish Colonies in America annually. 
 
 
Islamic and Jewish salve merchants and scholars used the curse to justify the trans- Saharan slave trade. Moses Maimonedes, the famous medieval scholar and rabbi considered black people higher than apes but lower than humans, akin to irrational animals. He expounded these ideas in the text “guide to the perplexed”. 
 
 
Al Jahiz (Abu Uthman Al Jahiz), a famous Arabic scholar from Basra, who was a black African, wrote a rebuttal to the racist propaganda that had begun to flourish, as a result of a revolt which encompassed the entire southern Iraq, by black slaves as well as resident Africans in the area. In “The Essays” written circa 860 AD he states blackness is not a disfigurement or punishment sent by God. 
 
 
Religion means to reconnect, to remember, one could say to realign oneself to the source of all life. Any idea that claims that a certain people are more deserving or worthy members than others in the fellowship of life is not religion but racist Hype. 
 

And YOU don’t believe in Hype, do YOU ? 
 

LADO
 

Lado  - Institute of Sudanic Studies - ISS 
 

OCCUPIED KINGDOM STATE OF AFRICA 
 

HEART OF AFRICA