Spiritual bondage

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EmpresKeneilwe:
Greetings,
I was not sure where to post this, so I guess this area will do for me. :)

I recently came across an article that has made reference to “jesus’s” race. It was actually the second time I read it. But with time, my consciousness has expanded more than the first time I read it, therefore I had a more in-depth overstanding of what the author was trying to portray. I’m sure most of you are familiar with it; the symbolism of Christ and the cross. Eventually, I ended up “googling black jesus”. That also brought up a lot researchers’ claims on the race of jesus and the origins of religion, Christianity in particular.

As we may all be aware that Roman and Greek claim(ed) civilization at Africa’s expense. Although it is of vital importance that we know these historical facts, we also need to guard against being too “caught up” in these discoveries/realisations. As much as I believe and overstand that religion was created for political reasons, I also feel that it is some what misleading to actually still hold on to the fact that there was/is a saviour who died for sins on the cross, even if he was black. I have read “Book of the Dead/coming forth by day”, and if I overstand it correctly, the author states “DECLARE your INNOCENCE” and not confess your sins. BUT I STAND CORRECTED. To me personally, it makes sense to declare one’s innocence, coz one is born without "sin". In the case of Christianity, one is baptised to “wash” sins away - WHY? What sin have you committed?

Christianity is different from Africanity or African Spirituality. It makes you feel guilty when one accepts “the self”. Africanity on the other hand, enhances the self, in effort of one embracing the self whole heartedly and spiritually. Thus the reason why one cannot claim Africanism and Christianity at the same time, they are in conflict. One cannot be spiritually uplifted with this ongoing inner conflict.

We are not a colour-blind society. That’s a given. But in the case of Christianity in particular, it doesn’t matter whether or not jesus was black. In essence, that would still keep us in mental bondage. For instance, one still would refer to “him” or not “her”. You’d still be waiting for that blessed day that “he” will descend from the sky (that’s fairy tale mentality) to save us (blacks, people of colour) from this evil white (Eurocentric) supremacy system. But we’d still have to deal with sexism (men are superior to women) bcoz they were created in “his” image. Blonde, blue-eyes and white (light-skinned). It would raise the question of what did he have in mind when “he” created a “wombman” or “other races”. If he’s a god that is “colour-blind” or gender-less, why is he white? Why aren’t we all the same colour and gender, like him?
We’d have to deal with race and classism. I can safely say the list is endless. The bible, when thoroughly overstood, brings forth more conflict than solutions.

I’ve also realised that people equate the bible, Quran or torah to something like a cell phone; always making reference to it. The bible says, the bible says. I’m sure we all know what the bible says. One can buy it at any given time. But what do you say? What does your spirit/soul say? One can never buy spirituality nor can one buy faith. Why does it have to a pillar of strength? I mean literally. As in a physical structure. That would mean that, without having the bible at arms length, they would fall or be left stranded. This to me makes the bible “material”. You can’t live without it - MENTAL BONDAGE. What ever happened to faith? Why is that people cannot use their own experiences or testimonials as references? Why can’t people write their own personal “books of life”? This just goes to show that as much some have claimed “consciousness”, a lot are still chained to the core.

With time (which we don’t have), we will be able to help each other to break these chains. I’m also a student of this university called “life”. With each new rising, I learn something new. Therefore I’m not saying this piece is the epitome of self-realisation or consciousness. It is certainly a stepping stone. One needs to know that we don’t have much time to be “soul searching”, instead we should be growing our souls. Soul awakening, for lack of better terminology. Without holding onto material. The bible and church included. And this goes for all other “mainstream” religions.

Yours in divinity
Hotep


Motingwa I:
Greets Ms

I don´t know. It always bewilders me when I come across Rastafarians who speak or seem to speak against the Book  of Prophecy - the Bible. I am assuming that your are a Rastafarian. I always thought the Rastafari-ism was built on the Bible. Even Elders like Ras Marcus on Rastafari Speaks refers to the Bible as an important teacher for those who were in the movement in the early days.

It may be a new phenomenon this ´abandoning of the Bible´ perhaps because of all the new knowledge being uncovered about Kemet which wasn´t so easy to find before.  I myself cannot deny that I have gained a lot spiritually from Kemetic wisdom. Even what the I recently said that it is more effective to declare ones innocence than to admit guilt. What I can say is that a lot of people interpret the Bible differently; even those who translated it: one English version might say ¨Do not steal...Do not commit murder...Do not commit adultery.¨ giving orders, while another might say ¨Thou shall not steal...Thou shall not commit murder...Thou shall not commit adultery¨ making it sound more like a promise (tsholohetso).

I don´t wish to go on and on trying to point at other differing interpretations but I do wish to say something about things the I said. There is the question of wether or not it is feasible to depend on one Saviour who says there is no other way but He. And that it would be... sexist? Speaking from my own mind I would answer: ¨Just because the Bible speaks only of God and not so much about Goddess it doesnt mean she didn exist.¨ From the beginning God always uses the plural ´us´, eg. ´let Us make man in our own likeness.´

Just the other night I was pondering over an explaination of the Trinity of God that I came across in a book called Deliver Us from Evil. The author was presenting the Trinity as God the Father, God the Son and God the Hola One of creation. I am still unable to overstand it fully but she  spoke of how women experience the creational aspect of Father God through childbirth which I guess men can never experience. Sometimes this author refered to the holy one as John the Baptist and sometimes even as God the woman  ...or so I remember. Then the other night I came up with: ¨God the Father, God the MOTHER and God the Son being the three most important people! i.e. Not God the dawta because maybe it is very important for a dawta to have children than it is for the man (whose physical is always the same wether he has children or not and so takes much shorter to fully overstand himself and find salvation.¨

But thatś just a piece of my own mind/understanding.

Ras Paul     

Motingwa I:
P.S. I think I must have gotten to carried away giving my own unbridled thoughts/whims on words of others especially when I said 'not God the dawta.' Please excuse any percieved chauvanism which I'd hate to be a purveyor of.

By the way Ms, I man am of the school of thought that a Messiah, Redeemer, Black Christ IS necessary. One reason I have heard for Him having to come to the world is to decipher the Book of Pophecy, the Bible for I & I. The Black Christ is the one in the Revelation who was found worthy to break the 7 seals of the book which is one of the most beautiful reading for I.

Sela My Queen.

EmpresKeneilwe:
Breden,
I trust your living to your utmost ability.
Tis good you find comfort in those books. If it works for you, carry on, don't stop.

I appreciate the fact that you realise that what you have stated above is your overstanding of the bible/religion.

And no, I am not rastafarian. One does not have to refer to themselves as Empresses, Emperors or Queens or Kings, bcoz they follow Rastafari. As for my overstanding, this is a way of life, and not a set of instructions. Rastas do not have to lock their hair to prove they are part of the family (and by the way "1 Corinthians 11:14 * 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? "), they dont have to read/follow the bible to be rasta. Everyone eventually paves their own path, using whatever the learn from the movement. One does not have to rely on it.

The bible was written by the disciples of Jesus, meaning it was man-made. Just like any other (history) book one may come across. Therefore we can all write our own books, put them together and create our own BOOK OF LIFE. Jesus was a man (if he existed), just like any man on earth. As you state, "God always uses the plural ´us´, eg. ´let Us make man in our own likeness.´". 
Now from what I gathered from your statement, we were created by gods, and that there's not a God, and Psalm 82:6  states this - "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are achildren of the most High. ". Meaning, we are all gods and goddesses. Not just a single hand-picked man, God's favourite child that is. The bible says, He created Heaven and hell, meaning some of his children will definetely go to hell. How did he know some of us will be "sinning"? Did He not have faith that we might not "sin"? To me, if He really does know what we are doing and thinking, then he must have created all the evil deeds within our psyche already, thus the reason he created hell, b4 putting some of us on earth. Why does the bible not say anything about his female couter-part, except the part where she's called Eve the "mother of all living"? I may be wrong here, I stand corrected.

Everyone has their own relationship with the Most High/Supreme being. It matters not if you follow the bible/quran or not. Or whether you go to church/mosque. Your God/Goddess has given a mind and consciousness to think for yourself. To distiguish between right and wrong. Your have  reasoning capacity, hence you responded to my post. Coz that's human nature, to question and reason. Else we wouldn't have a mind.

The bible makes the woman look evil (1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. )
(Ecclesiastes 7:26  And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.), that she forced the man to commit "sin", whereas the man has his own mind. He even gives her name, to show he has a mind to think.

Why does the bible make childbirth a curse (Genesis 3:16* 16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. ) ? Isnt it supposed to be a blessing that a woman can actually carry life within her; that God trusts her to that point? It also says, the man shall rule over the woman and the only way for the woman to reach the kigdom of god is thorugh her man () ??? WTF?

Ras Tyehimba posted an article about this sexist aspect of the bible. Please refer to the link below.
http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=145.0 > selective reasonings > Adam and Eve, The Bible, Sexism and Rastafari


It's a starting point to have a black jesus, but we would still be enslaved in the sense that we'd be waiting for someone that might never return. Like most black people wait for whites to show them love so they can get around to loving themselves.

Moorfius:
We must become serious researchers into what we think we know but in reality don't have a clue about the origins of all western religions.  Read about the history that you have been over looking and find out that only in 325 AD or Ano Domini...at the council (the council that created Jesus) of Nicea headed under the then Cesar of Rome...Constantin...who later chose himself as the first pope and was the leader responsible for the transformation and fabrications that the world worships today...thinking it is from God.

If the truth was known...the church, mosque and temples would have to shut down.  Serapis is the name taken by one of Alexander's generals.  After the death  of the leading invader into what is now called the middle east but is still Africa...Potolamy Soter changed his name to Serapis and started to force the population to worship himself as God. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/serapis.htm

The monks who followed him (serapis) were called the bishops of Christ and this is before there was any such thing as a Jesus.  Only after the Nicea council meetings Serapis was changed to Jesus and the worship of Serapis was transfered to the creature the world has fallen asleep under.

The ancient ancestors (Priest) are not the authors...(nor was any God except the one they made up that only looks like them) of the major religions that has put the world into spiritual bondage with sanctified racism called religion that has plunged the children of the so-called African ancestors into a deep mental and spiritual death.  Spirituality and Religion is not the same thing by any means.

But before doing so he took the concoction of Serapis Sotar who was then the christ before there was any such thing as Jesus and made this false god to be jesus the christ after which europe plunged into its dark ages because the church leaders wanted to purge and  burn all books and kill any persons that could prove otherwise...after this period came the so-called renewal.

This may sound strange if you don't know the facts and find yourself devoted.  But remember truth is stranger than fiction only when you don't know.  Study for yourself now...so that you will know and begin to see "correctly" the truth and be set free from your Spiritual Bondage for ever.

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