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 Hello ,
I'm a new person on this forum . After being only a reader for a long time I decided to write and start a new topic .

English is not my native language and I don't live in an english speaking country so please , excuse my mistakes .

As a mother of two biracial children I would like to know what do you think about multiracial and / or biracial babies and toddlers .

I believe that we are all human beings . Although I am not religious in a conventional way and I believe in spiritual world existing around us - I believe we are the children of One God .

What do you think ?

Maya and two  [smiley=baby.gif] [smiley=baby.gif]

Greetings welcome to this community. You will have plenty of opportunity to have your question answered. They are many posters here who gave birth to multiracial children. Personally I don’t like multiracialism but I've found out parents of mixed raced kids have things to say. They should feel free.

B.K

 Thank you Bantu Kelani .
I'm happy there are mothers in the same situation here .
Maya ...

Hi Maya,
I come from Congo but when I was 14 years old, my dad got a job in an english country. Today, I can read french with no problem, speak a little bit but when it comes to writting I am having serious problems...When I want to intervene in a debate on a congolese site, I can 't do it in french. Some people think I am trying to show off when I write in English..There is always a misunderstanding and that really hurts me.  

Sorry!I am not yet done
I will graduate soon from an USA university, so I don't think working back home will be easy for me. That really stresses me coz I am tired of having to deal with Immigration requirements...
Somehow, I feel like for multiracial children this will be very difficult because they are only 50-50. I don't speak Lingala(language spoken in Kinshasa, the capitalCity) and for that some say I am not a Congolese girl. I just can't put myself in the shoes of a mutiracial kid! It must be rough for them
Please don't get me wrong!I don't hate them but I feel they won't be able to be comfortable in any of their parents countries. There will always be that feeling of rejection which is hard to swallow!

I add that a black person can not live in this world without being constantly bombarded by multiculturalism, and multiracialism to a large extent. All blacks are exposed to this psychological abuse, and thus many of our people have neglected their blood ancestry and their race as a people. Thus, the blood of black people has been intentionally diluted (whether it is others diluting it, or blacks themselves).

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but I need to ask Beyonce..
Do you know Luzolo? He is from Congo-Brazza and you seem similar to the American girl from Congo he often talks to me about.

B.K

I add that a black person can not live in this world without being constantly bombarded by multiculturalism, and multiracialism to a large extent. All blacks are exposed to this psychological abuse, and thus many of our people have neglected their blood ancestry and their race as a people. Thus, the blood of black people has been intentionally diluted (whether it is others diluting it, or blacks themselves)."

I'm very sorry about that .

I consider multicultural education as not violent , not aggressive and not abusing action that creates understanding between people with different ethnic background . In the same time those people shouldn't neglect their own history
( facts not fiction ). They should respect the others and have a great respect to their own community , culture and religion so it will not only be " back " but " ground ". If one of the group is made refusing her own history and culture it is not real multiculturalism but just a " multi - culti thing "and educators are getting in the wrong dirrections .

 I come from the country which basicly was Russian , Austrian and German colony from 1791 until 1989 . Right now , some people call us the 51 State which means our politicians support Bush and if Bush asked them : " Jump into the fire " they would do it without any hesitation .
For 200 years my country was isolated from the others .
For many years we couldn't speak our own language and have our native names . For just a one act of lack of loyality there were macabric repressions by the foreign government , public execusions and so on . My country was sold to Russians after the Second World War . We were behind the Iron Curtain or however they call this thing until 1989 . We couldn't travel anywhere but Russian occupied countries . After those years we are so called " free nation " . People from different countries can easy come and stay here , we can travel everywhere not only in Eastern Europe . We need visa nad permition to come to the US and stay there for many reasons though . . .
After so many years of isolation , I think my country could do with a little bit of multicultural education in a positive and non violent way . In big cities you can see some foreigners but in small villages there is none of them . Some people are affraid of strangers , some are curious . Some become aggresive .
Those who can afford to travel , travel around the world and come back with new experiences . Some of them come back with negative stereotypes about Black people from so called western Europe and America .

My acquuitance ( white ) used to live in Berlin , Germany with her Nigerian husband . Although they are loving family with 5 children , she was called all derogatory names on the street from perfect strangers who didn't know her nor her husband .
While she was shopping and holding her youngest baby plus having her twins in the carriage , some people called her : "N-word B.. ..tch "and " white s....t" . Many times she was called that names and her children too . My country is not that ignorant but still I get some of these negative reactions and my little children too ( " monkey babies " and so on ). White priviledge for mixed children ? Where and when ? I don't think so .
Plus , there are many negative stereotypes about mixed couples . One of them is that Black man have relationship with a White woman to make himself looking better than the others . Excuse me , but what kind of crap is that ?

Well , my children are waking up from day time sleep so I cannot write any more .

I didn't want to hurt anybody's feeling . Sometimes my English is just not accurate .

I asked that question because I would love to move to Africa . I wondered how my children would be accepted there ?

Thank you for sharing your opinion .
With respect to everybody .
Maya

I am a Nationalist black African woman and every time this multiracialism topic will come up, I still will tell black people to not believe the lie that it is for our own good. It has never been beneficial for us to live near white people.

On a daily basis I hear things like what you are saying. Do you seriously think we should favor your people for our dark people? Here you have people who thrive to regain their collective independence but you claim multiracialism is good for our unity ancestry! Most of our people don't know their origin, our ancestral languages and cultures are dying because black people are encouraged to uphold multiracialism, whereas white people are encourage maintaining their blood pure only wanting their men to avoid marrying women of color. What people like you are doing is widening our culture and racial separatism. The thing that tickles me the most is that you actually don't realize how you offend black Nationalists like me. You already accomplished the goal of life matting with a black man. Do you think that makes you part of the black race? It’s too late for you to seek the opinion of black people you helped yourself already. No Black Nationalist I know will ever support you, and you don't care anyway.
I am straightforward in my talking I always try to be honest without name calling do you understand? I choose to express myself so do you, in any case you can ignore the substance of what I said.

B.K

B.K [/quote]

I thought I was clear . Again , sorry for my English .

First , no , I do not consider myself as being part of the Black race .

Why do you think so ? Only because I would love to move to Africa ? I'm 24 and have already changed places of living and continents where I used to live many times . I found Black people , especially Africans very friendly . One of my good friends , Eric , lawyer and artist , refugee from Congo living near my place , said my family would be welcomed in Africa .
Oh well ... what can I say ...

 I'm not sure if when both of us are thinking
" multiculturalism " , we think about the same thing . Did I say muliticulturalism is good for your people and for your unity ancestry ?

No , I said my country , poor Eastern European country that everybody is affraid to visit , country isolated for more than 200 years from all kind of different cultures beside Germans Nazists and Russian Communist , could do with a little bit of multiculural education . I don't know , if you met any people from my homeland . There are many stereotypes about us .
For some people we drink alcohol all the time and are  Caltholics . For many people we are all stupid , with a very low IQ , we do not have any technology and transportation around our country . We are poor so we steal and cheat . Living in France , Germany or the US you can hear these opinions about us .

What I mean by multicultural education is a non violence actions in kindergardens , schools , universities , in media and art , teaching people from my country about different cultures ( not only Black peoples' culture ). Caucasians culture too . By Caucasians I mean people who live in Caucas . They are NOT WHITE , English term is confusing . By multicultural education I mean fighting with stereotypes about different ethinc groups than ours .

So , what should we do with biracial and multiracial human beings ? Exterminate them in death camps because they are not a pure race , not light enough and not dark enough too ? I live quite near death camp built by Nazist Germans , Auschwitz - Birkenau , two hours by train from my place . I'm not a Jew but some of my relatives were killed there .

In my country that kind of ideology , ideology of one , pure race comes from right - wing , pseudo-catholic and pseudo - nationalistic party . Unfortunately , many people get those fouls serious . They are nothing else but hidden Neonazists and they have a special place in Parliament .

I believe multicultural education can help some ignorant people from my country who just have no idea about diversity of the people of the world . It does not mean everybody will mix with everybody . There is no need to mix . There is a need to live in peace . It sounds too ideal ?

To make you happy I will say - there is not a bit of any initiative of multicultural education in my country . The country is 95 % white . If somebody of colour comes here he / she gets different reactions . Very positive , curiousity plus very negative . Local skinheads bit up some people almost to death . Skinheads are recruiting themselves from unemployed , poor families . There is 20 % unemployment in my country . There is no commission of duscrimination and law agaist discrimination in my country . Only in Constitution they have some crap sentences about everybody has a right to do this and that . But it's just a theory , practice is completely different .
A friend of mine was shocked when one African guy asked her in the bus if he , a Black person , can sit near her White woman .
It is happening now - not 40 years ago in the US .
The US is obssesed with the race too .I was called once f....
Latino by one American lady because I have dark eyes
and dark hair and probably I have an accent .

I think multicultural education can help ignorant people .
Doesn't mean mixing and , as you said , diluting African blood or anybody' elses blood .

I didn't plan to have Black boyfriend . What I should have done when I loved Somebody of Colour ? Do you think mixing is well seen in my own country ?
As I wrote before , me and my children get insults almost every day . Especially from white males .
My childern have African names . I didn't change my name or surname .


Thank you for your opinion . Maybe I should just come back to the States from where I escaped .
Maya

One more thing ... My country didn't take a part in colonisation of Africa . We were Russian , German and Austrian colony for more than two hundred years .
Right now , we are so called free nation which of course does not mean anything .
With all respect ,
M.

Maya know that Eastern Europeans living today have the right to liberty, security, and prosperity since they are white. Everything that white people have directly or indirectly come form the brutalities of subjugation, deprivation and humiliation of black peoples. The capitalist and socialist of the Western and Eastern Europe had bloody roles in black countries crises for economic interests and this is not all in the past!

Why is that present-day whites have the right to an holocaust past and want everybody to see them as "victims" but blacks who continue to suffer from discrimination as the legacy of slavery and colonization cannot? White Jews and Eastern Europeans are successful today because the international Community took into account their claims and injustices am I lying?

But your ultra naive thinking is intricate with self-defense reaction. Nobody has ever bamboozled white peoples you don’t know that? The European oppression done to your people didn’t justify the proliferation of bigoted and unscientific racist ideas bond to have negative consequences on black people in the long run.. When Germany put millions of your people into the ovens of the Nazis it never compared to the violence and brutality of the colonialist Europeans Cecil Rhodes and King Leopold II of the Belgians who were responsible for THE MURDER OF 100 MILLIONS OF SUB-SAHARAN AFRICANS IN 20 YEARS! Adolph Hitler and its Nazi at the height of their massacre of Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies never equaled them.

And, most peoples throughout Eastern Europe today haven’t been destroyed by conquest and denied their independent governance, but we black people have! You see when it comes to history the white media has developed a black hole concerning the genocidal policies of Euro-US against black people. Everyone should know all holocaust victims: the Native Americans, white Jews, Slavs, Polish, Gypsies, Japanese, and even Chinese! But we don’t know and probably will never know the precise number of Africans who died during the Middle passage when they were shipped as human cargo form Africa to the Americas, because indeed the Middle Passage had great mortality in transshipment. A huge number of the population of Africa was killed, and died of many diseases before reaching the Americas! It is essential for you, a so-called friend of black people, to not whitewash history, and to finally know that the racial, social, cultural, or political oppression of your people was never had the terrible consequences as the one of black peoples who are not only victims of yesterday but of today as well!

Moreover, you claim to want built a better white society where you are, then go tell your people about their wicked ways. Blacks don’t need people use your type of muticulturism reasoning to negate their survival point of views when they are being greatly assaulted by white people for the wealth of your nations. Instead of patronizing black people go share your viewpoints to your people! I think it’s best to educate them than us. We African people will appreciate this a lot instead of encouraging a disloyal attitude to black people to seek love in other races.

It is usually whites like you who are obsessed about black people while at the same time you undermine us physically and culturally. You already know I am not a black woman who appreciates dark skin men dating/mating with white women, because I don't turn my back on the brothers and sisters for other races of men and women, it doesn’t make me a racist person. It is just that I am not ashamed of my blackness. If you have the inability or unwillingness understands that Black Nationlists want to protect themselves and their race then you are egoist. It’s naive of me to think you a white woman can ever understand anyway.

I see the black race is still under siege in a white world, and I think you are part of the whole game plan to divide the black man and black woman. I don't think you need black people opinion either, if it is really what you need then let black people educate, unify, be pride, date, and mate among themselves. When these are happening there will be no problems for blacks in this world.

B.K

Concerning inter-racial children, there are too many out there to reject them IMO. Some hate their African roots it is what white people did to them. Some uplift black people not willing to be separated to us, that’s cool. I accept multi-racial children if the European folk didn’t confuse their psychology, but I have the mind set inability to support interracial dating I’ve told you form the start.

But there are many posters here who support inter-racialism they might reply to you. You will be satisfied with their thoughts.

B.K  

Good morning ,

I guess I'm one of those " Blancs " that " Noirs " cannot communicate with . Yes , I know about Black Holocaust . My boyfriend is a concious man , not a young guy , chasing white p ___". I learned from him about Black Holocaust and extermination of Africans . I wrote facts about history of my nation not to suggest that history of my postcolonial country I can compare with African People history . I didn't want to say my country people suffered as much as your people . I may sound ignorant but I'm not that ignorant to even think like this  .
I do not pat anybody's hand or back . Don't want to take away your culture and tell you how to live and what to do .
Like I say , I 'm not Black , I do not feel Black on the inside and that kind of "hippie" talk do not go with me .Also , I'm not trying to be more Black than Blacks and so on .
If it comes to Auchwitz . In my country they talk only about Jewish holocaust not knowing who the Hebrew were and where Hebrew religion comes from .
White people from my country are second and third category citizens of so called Western countries . We are poors and beggers  in our own country even .
M.

So if you have no aversion of the thought of being a white woman why are obsessed with black people and Africa? Why you had to date and mate with a black man?  


What country are you from in Eastern Europe? Still you have never suffered like the many brothers and sisters in the African continent, and the West Indies. You have no clue what an intolerable living condition is. Most people know that even the impoverished and backward European nations are better off than African countries in the Southern parts of Africa where blacks live under absolute colonialism and brutal exploitation. Your complaining is so the European way, egoist and pervasive of concealed racism.

B.K

Alright , so now I am a racist ?

By saying we as a nation are the second and third category citizens I meant giving everybody information and facts about my country fellows with not comparison to anybody else's situation in the world .

What is your definition of obsession with Black race ?

I am from the Eastern European country where Nazists built death camps during the Second World War .

Again , I do not try to compare history of my nation with history of Africa and tell everybody :" Hey , I know what you went through ." Not me .

We still have problems with " the right to security , prosperity and liberty "( as you said )but of course it is only our corrupted politicans ' fault . Nobody else's fault . I am aware our suffering is uncomparable with Africans' suffering . As I wrote before I didn't have intention to inform everybody :
" Hey people , I experienced your suffering . " That's not true .

If I'm not welcomed , I can dissapear from this forum as fast as I came here . No , I 'm not trying to run away . I hope I didn't offend anybody . If so , I'm sorry . By saying I'm sorry I mean I'm sorry not : " I do not care ".
Maya

My point is you can never advance European oppression to black peoples in order to gain pseudo integration among us because it is a fact that all whites suffer form concealed superiority complex, rationally present in their economic and political subjugation of black peoples. The oppression of your people is not as dramatic as the magnitude of subjugation of black peoples. If we agree with this point why you keep advancing your problem to us? It is the white men holding you down not black folk. Go complain to white men and women on internet forums. Face your own responsibility! However you prefer patronizing the "negro" population making blacks disdain themselves for interracial dating and mating. If this attitude is not covert racism then what is it?

B.K

 Yes , I talk and talk and talk about this problem in my own country and on different internet forums in my native language . Also , I write about this in newspapers . It is not to GLORIFY myself now and show myself as " so-called Black people friend " .

You are right , the main problem I have with White males who really get crazy seeing me with Brown babies and with Black man .

My question again is : do you think mixed people , multi-/ biracial human beings with one parent from Africa or West Indias can be consider African ? If the father will give them his cultural background ?

I read many times , those mixed children are privileged because of the light colour of their skin . I do not say it's not true . We must remember , it's not easy for them too . For many people they are at the very bottom in " racial hierarchy "
because they are not a pure race . Not Black , not White , not Yellow and so on . There is a German term for them : "mischlung "which is a very derogatory name .
Still , of course , I have a problem with Whites .

With respect .
Maya ...

Hi ladies,
To answer your question Kelani, I don't know anybody by that name.

Maya, I do agree with Kelani. You are on the wrong forum. Please, we have read enough and seen so many movies about the Nazi as if that was the only crime to humanity so please don't come here to bother us with your old stories. We are here to learn about new stuff and who cares about what happened to you . Come on, this is africaspeaks and not Europespeaks.com!

Just a word of advice, when you are debating you don't have to insult. It is very sad to read your broken english yet you have the courage to insult. Anyway, it shows  your standard! Kelani, I really like the way you handle yourself. I am sure many people in this forum want to hear things about Africa and not the Hitler's old story.

Today, many people in Africa are still dealing with injustice and the Wars as result of White people's interference in Africans business. We have not yet find solutions to our problems so Maya give us time to think about what to do for our Africa.You can discuss your problems with the EU or Europespeaks.com

I answered your question. Again,multiracial children is a bad idea. Anyway,you have them already so all you have to do is to deal with that!

 Good morning ,

Thank you for your patience and understanding .

Once again , I am sorry for my " broken English " .
For many years I was not allowed to learn foreign languages with the exception of Russian . My Russian interfere with my English . I'm not fluent and often cannot be communicative .
Then again , it's obvious , why we are discussing and reasoning on those problems in English which is Germanic language . As I mentioned before , English is not my native language and it's not native language of many nations and ethinc groups but it was pushed on these people .
Does my opinion make me " covert " racist in your eyes ?

Wow ! You must think I am a very stupid and ignorant Slavic , illiterate woman .

Beyonce , with all respect , you misinterpretted my words . Of course , it's only my fault . As I said I'm not fluent in English nor in French . As a person born with Aushwitz stigma I am very tired with gloryfing Aushwitz martydom by many political groups that find a special interest in these actions .

I have never said Nazists crime is the only one crime to hummanity ! Actually , I am fighting with this opinion in my own country . No , I do not want to be " so-called Black people friend " .
Beyonce and everybody , I hope you did not believe in all those movies you seen , all those books and articles you read in English , French or German . All those recent movies made by American , English , German and French media including BBC and all those articles written by NYC Times journalists are a bunch of lies !
It is obvious to me , that glorifying death camps built on my soil by Nazi Germans ( many of them still alive , living good and wealthy ) is to hide from public opinion martdom of many other nations including African holocaust and my own nation suffering : 200 years of partition , 1945 , 1956 , 1968 , 172 , 1981 - 1983 , 1985 etc . I do not want to sound patronising . My intention is not to compeat , who suffered the most in the history of nations !
The answer for this question is one .
Alright , enough of that Nazist stuff .

Beyonce , you said nobody here cares about what happened to me . Well ... I read many posts here about social and political issues in Iraq , India and many other countries . You reason here on lifestyles , on cell phones , on different diets etc . etc . Now , I DO NOT WANT TO SOUND RACIST but :
Are there any subjects , I do not know about , that should not be talked about by Black people ? Why ?

Why I decided to write here about the history of my country and my nation ?
I wanted to introduce myself , who I am , where I am from .
Also , I wanted to explain , why multicultural education makes sense in my own country . I am sure we are not talking here about the same multiculturalism . My country became very xenophobic because of many years of isolation from different countries and cultures . I didn't mean : " Come on people , let's have fun and mix with everybody ! "

As a White , Eastern Europen young woman with different heritage than yours , I am not in a compentence to tell your people how to educate your youths . I am aware of this fact .
I am not trying to impose on anybody here .
Every White person who say : " Look , Black folks , I know how it is ." is a very lost hippie-whippie or pervert politician .
I'm not one of these funny Whites who put traditional African clothes on themselves and claim they are Africans .
I refused to be pseudo - PC hypocrit . They are nice and polite , smiling now - they talk about you and me behind my and your back afterwards !
( Excuse my English ) . Do you really preffere those pseudo - PC maniacs who will keep " names and insults " for themselves pretending good mannered and innocent ? Good luck ! Then again , I do not tell you what to do !

Why , do you think , I write these words , sitting here in front of my computer , checking English spelling and vocabulary in my dictionary while my children are running around with no attendance ? No , it's not to glorify myself and show myself as a nice and innocent White girl .
Maya ...

Who cares your English is not perfect I am a native of Congo recently immigrant in America do you think I write perfect English? You focus on trifling things I think this mind set represent your motives.

B.K

Bantu Kelani , what are those trifling things I focus on ?
History of my nation , BBC and NYTimes propaganda or my children running around the place ?
Then again , what are my wicked motives ?

Weak English is not my excuse for lack of communication .
I left America three years ago after staying there only for 9 months .
We are all individuals with different life experience . I do not judge anybody .

I have learned so much from this discussion .
I haven't met African Nationalist before .
Actually , I do not have many African friends , simply because there are not many of them in my country .
They come to study here and then come back to Africa or move to Western Europe and US , Canada etc .

That's why I was seeking your opinion here .
I believe I was seeking African people opinion on the forum called Africaspeaks .

I was very stupid and naive thinking that moving to Africa
would be a good idea for me and my family .
Do not want to sound egoitistic .
Only one person , who could go there to live is my boyfriend .
In that sense , he would come back to his homeland .

By saying - " you European go away from this forum with your European problems . This is Africaspeaks forum and we discuss here and resoning here on African problems "- both of you claimed that multiracial and biracial children cannot be consider Africans by Native People of Africa as you are .

Thank you for sharing your opinion .

With all respect .
Maya .

PS . I didn't come here to insult anybody . I discussed and reasoned on those problems on many different forums in my native language .
One of my friend created website in my native language ,  everybody can discuss there things like these  . I can give you link , if you wish . Do not want to be accused of promoting different forums on yours .

The reality we live in everyday and the Eurocentric Supremacy that is bombarded on blacks everyday doesn’t allow Black Nationalists such as myself to be concerned about white people problems. If you fail to include this aspect of our reality then you are a conscious or an unconscious racist. It is up to you to realize you cannot distort what we have said to further you agenda. None of us claimed interracial children were not African descents. For you to come here and ask black people to feel sorry for you while you proceed to show your egoism proves many things to me. I am used to deal with white people like you. Your European whining or frustration is nothing new to the regulars of this community just read the many posting in this forum over and over again. I never get tired reading some of the things white people post on this message board because I too have learned many things dealing with these issues.

There is something wrong with you to lie about what we have said. Take a break from posting and go read some old threads where it is clear the multiracial members of our community are respected as excellent Africans, and they make remarkable contributions to our struggle on these websites and in their respective African liberation movements. So you have no right to accuse anybody here. I see your kind of people many times and I say to myself it is just how you are. I don’t expect you are going to learn anything in our environment if you remain naïve, egoist, and trivial. With that said I hate to repeat myself over and over in the same thread. I bid farewell to this discussion.

B.K

Maya, don't let Bantu be too hard on you.  Every person on this earth is an African if you count down to day one; we didn't all evolve as different races from different origins; we came from one place and then migrated.  If it's slavery and black oppression that fuels this fire then one would have to look at the origins of this oppression.  Bantu what are the origins of slavery?  What color was the first person to opress a black person?  How did these white aliens learn to do such wicked things? Selam

    I am not looking for anybody's sympathy .
" Feeling sorry " reactions are the worst kind of reactions I can get from Blacks and Whites , Pinks or Purples .
" Poor , little White girl . Poor , little , Brown babies , they went through so much ,  we feel sorry for you . "-  would be the worst insult I could hear in my life .

  Then again ,while posting on this forum I do not hold any negative feelings against anybody .

  As I mentioned before , I refused to be a pseudo - political correct clown as many White and light - skinned people became . That's why I quoted those insults before . Pure facts without asking anybody to feel sorry for me .
I wanted to show " the other side of the Moon " , different experience .I didn't want to join your community as a White priviledged woman who thinks that she can say everything she wants to everybody here .

  Yes , I know , Africa is the mother of human beings on this Planet . One people on this planet - but then again - who is still suffering and who is living good and wealthy ? Who is using and abusing ?

 As a White woman , I do not want to take away your culture .
When I was reading threads here , I found one of your comments :

http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/archive1/config.pl?read=40928

I can assure everybody here , I am not CIA/FBI .There are some people here , who know my family . I do not want to sound too private . I may send you a private message , if you wish , Bantu Kelani .

As a White mother of biracial children I am happy that multiracial people are welcomed and acctepted in this community and considered African descends  . Thank you all for that ! I own you a lot !
Yes Bantu , you wrote : " I accept multi-racial children " .That's the real truth .

Beyonce wrote : " You can discuss your problems with the EU or Europespeaks.com "and " Maya, I do agree with Kelani. You are on the wrong forum.". I think the problem of multi-/biracial people is not only my problem or only European problem . You disscus and reason here on cell phones , diets , soy food , politics of different world regions . If multiracial children are African descends and this forum is called
" Africaspeaks " , then multiracial people problems are also African problems , aren't they ?
Then again , knowing the past and presence of Africa , multiracial babies' problem is not the most important thing to consider now .

Thank you for your patience with me .
Maya

Blessings to one and all from reading this thread so far i am about to ask is this a lyrical battle, have you gotten your questioned answer Maya are have you strayed awayed from your own topic?
Also in you last post you posted a link to another article about the myth of multiracial america and so forth and you found that Bantu stated she accepted multiracial kids but it never stated she likes them.Accepting and Liking are 2 different things cause i can accept you but i dont have to like you, you get my drift.
Also why did you have to mention about the CIA and FBI what beneift is that to us on this forum?

"You disscus and reason here on cell phones , diets , soy food , politics of different world regions . If multiracial children are African descends and this forum is called  
" Africaspeaks " , then multiracial people problems are also African problems , aren't they ?"

Honestly we dont just reason on cell phones,diets,soy food and politics of other countries that you have mention,We reason on much more than that and you should look around more before you say what we reason on.
And in my opinon a multiracial person problem aint Africa's problem honestly Africa has much bigger problems than that to deal with example Alarming high rates in AIDS/HIV, Poverty,
Child Slavery and Child Prostitutes, so answer me this do you really believe that a multiracial person problem/problems could actual be of urgent importance to Africa.

and how you feel they got the first multiracial kids, from massa(white slave master) raping the black women slaves and then when the child comes out too light it either get placed in the house with his kids or if it too dark it an outcast, you should know how strong the bridge is before crossing meaning you have your multiracial kids now and now you must have to toughen them up to make it easier for them to find out who they are and where they come from but in closing you should have studied if they will be accepted r ridicule before you got them.

With all respect , do you think I'm that irresponsible ?
What kind of judgement is this ?
They will find out who they really are without my interfering .
I'm not a single mom . They have father too who will give them his cultural background .

Maya

"you should know how strong the bridge is before crossing meaning you have your multiracial kids now and now you must have to toughen them up to make it easier for them to find out who they are and where they come from but in closing you should have studied if they will be accepted r ridicule before you got them. "

Excuse me , are you suggesting they should not be born ?
I hope not .

Good night everybody  . It's 4 in the morning my time .
Maya ...

I have to respond to NB’s statements. I am not an individual who bear unjust accusation against black peoples. I will battle anyone lyrically or physically if they are prepare to crush black dignity. I have to say what I have in my heart and mind.

NB, you are the white man proficient in English who come to rescue Maya. And like her you display similar disrespect to the group you claim to support. But none of you know anything about our peoples. You both mated with black folk so you think it gives you a special pass in our black communities. You want all the attention to you and your multiracial offspring, shadowing black causes until the world sees you and only you. You have no progressive ideas for dark-skinned peoples. You continue to think it is a good idea for blacks to disfavor their own for the benefit of white peoples. Your people control most political and economic structure worldwide by the brutalities of institutional slavery and exploitation. Since ages ago in the Eurasian steppes it is your peoples who have been the main perpetuators of slavery, violence, and terrorism. They stole the lands of all indigenous peoples on basis of racist religions to further justify your thuggish practices born in Europe! How dare you come and talk to me about the origin of wickedness and slavery??

This myth of Africans selling themselves wholesale is a racist myth and wishful hypothesis! Of course there were mulatto sons of white men and the subjugated negros who were inhibited with the white men’s ways who acted as middle men in slave dealing by kidnapping and selling Africans to European slave traders in return for worthless trinket. This is true! But this is insufficient to cast the blame from whites to blacks. If so then we might as well just blame Maya's people of Eastern Europe for being victims of the holocaust, after all there were aiding the Nazis to find other Jews, Poles, Slavs, and Gypsies to send to the concentration and death camps let us do this indeed!!!

You ought to know that in the case of slave trading in Africa, European slave traders raided the most whole villages, they took sides in indigenous disputes whilst taking part in their age old practice of conquerors, i.e. divide and conquer by providing weapons to the side which was most favorable to the interest of white peoples! You seem to forget that they were many Africans who were willing to stand up to the Europeans and say NO TO SLAVERY. People such as the great Queen Nzinga, Affonso the King of the Kongo, Jaja of Opobo, Nasr el-Din, Olaudah Equino, Madame Tinubu, etc. Here are an except from letters written by ManiKongo (king) Affonso I to Joao III of Portugal in 1526, on the question of slavery in the Kingdom of the Kongo which are found in the book King Leopold's Ghost" by Adam Hochschild:

"Most High and powerful prince and king my brother...Each day the traders are kidnapping our people--children of this country, sons of our nobles and vassals, even people of our own family...This corruption and depravity are so widespread that our land is entirely depopulated...We need in this kingdom only priests and schoolteachers, and no merchandise, unless it is wine and flour for Mass...It is our wish that this kingdom not be a place for the trade or transport of slaves."

The King of Portugal's reply was brutal in its simplicity and was a death knell on my ancestors' Kingdom. " Kongo, he said, has nothing else to sell! "

The Belgian government also committed unspeakable atrocities in Congo I have all the reason to be suspicious of white peoples! You have to be aware that chattel slavery and vicious oppression NEVER existed in pre-colonial Africa! And, "tribalism" was introduced by the Western nations for their own purposes do you understand??

A white man is a white man. Your blood is not African! Thousand of years and over the last 100, 000 years you have been removed form Africa to make you Caucasoids, Caucasians, whites! But you try to rob the rightful children of Africa their racial and cultural identity. You white liberals so-called "Afrocentrists" are white and not African. Your culture is not "African," and you have NO rights to Africa! The Europeans or whites in Africa are imperialists who became settler-colonialists stealing our lands by committing acts of terrorism against all dark-skinned peoples for economic gains. Be proud of YOUR OWN heritage!!!

B.K

Racial purity and blood purity are myths.  Skin color is irrelevent. except where irational bigotry flourishes. The ancients did not distinguish the content of a person's character based on skin color.  That came along with Christianity, the Sons of Ham and all the misery and blood shed that has been wrought from the disciples of the tortured god of many names.  

There is no "pure" culture on this earth, niether are there any "pure bloodlines" or "races". Some attempts to realize this fantasy through various breeding programs most often  end in idiocy , genetic disorder, or physical malformalities. It also justifies genocide.  

This chaotic and disruptive star system our planet moves in jumbles life in short and far distances of time.  All current "unique" and "separate" cultures are born from inevitable diffusion and mixing of earlier forms.  This is the way of the universe.  

Human consciousness and culture evolve. There has always been "racial" mixing and always will be.  Bigotry is erased by time, albeit a long process.  Saying that one "accepts" but does not "like" children of "mulit-racial" unions is thinly vieled bigotry.  If a Bantu marries a Zulu, is this not a "multi racial" union? Considering the emnity each "racial" group has for the other in such a case, this might be unlikely.  Or does the fact that the skin is dark make the "blood line" the same and therefore something to "like" rather than "accept"?

David Duke and Pat Buchannen await the intolerant of all "races" to start their planned "culture wars," which are really race wars. Buchannen the neo confederate jerk is currently on the African American infotainment media cirquit spewing this line.   Some seem to be eating it up.  Meanwhile Buchannen's pals are winking.  

Our common ancestor ultimately is a rat like creature and before it, an amphibian.  Unless of course you beleive in the stories invented by our controllers to keep us all battling each other, forever slaves.

I can't believe I am writing this again.  The examples throughout history of this fact are legion.  There is no possible detraction from it.  The last time I wrote of this , one contributor demonstrated exceptional ignorence of history, not normal for this site, and brought forward an ugly racial slur to make a point.  I did not visit this site for many weeks in frustration as a consequence of it.  

Polarities emphasizing people's inability to co-exist based on "race" or culture in a world of 6 billion people is suicidal.   All can be rectified through massive education about culture, history and other dynamics molding the human being into various shapes.  Do not condemn experimenters.  Without us, the species dies.

We can handle it this way or we can create big armies and war machines to slaughter each other, as one prominant contributer to this site suggested was the answer to AFrica's problems, more military spending.  All in the name of racial purity?.  

P7

ptaured7,

I say I am not against interracial children if they consider themselves part of black peoples, and when they speak well of black peoples. They are part of black peoples because they are direct descents of blacks period. Why are you ashamed of being what you are? Caucasoids, Caucasians, or whites genetic mutation happened over the past 100, 000 years ago making you white. The last time I checked our looks, culture, and nature differ. Plus, the birth of racism theories without a doubt was initiated by whites to justify their imperialism and colonial rule. So you cannot not accuse Black Nationalists to try to fend themselves favoring their own especially when for centuries a great many whites have enforced the racist theory of the inferiority of black peoples without scientific evidence, but historical facts prove otherwise!

Besides, blacks are the original race on the planet and from the black race all other races evolved it is obvious we are a pure race. Unlike your race my race didn’t developed out of your race. And, you are talking nonsense about the inter marriage among indigenous Africans; The Zulu are Bantu Africans their roots are with all Bantu peoples. Many black Africans mate with black Africans of different ethnic groups, castes, and classes it is sound. I am a child of a Kongo father and a Ngala mother it still makes me a pure African with internationalities. All indigenous Africans are Bantus or Batwas with very much the same racial genetics, culture, history, sociology, and philosophy this is reality.

B.K

Bantu, you're so good at sizing people up.  "Be proud of our own heritage,"  you did just say that right?  You also said that Caucasions came from your race, "Blacks are the original race, from which all other races evolved."  Where does heritage begin and end for you?  And where ever that is, can you believe that someone else's might end somewhere different than your own, I'll bet you could.
     What's your ideal view of the world, without changing history?  Should all races go to their separate corners, come out fighting until only one is left, or should all the races just close their borders and forget the others exist?  That's what my Grandfather wanted, you and him might have gotten along really well.  What about love for the Human race?  In your mind is a multiracial reltionship really just some white person's ego trip?        
     Do you think Maya came here to seek your approval?  I'll bet those babies are healthy and happy what is bad about that?  Maya, sorry for sounding too sypathetic, I just thought you showed good character. Selam

Hello NB ,
I was reffering to Bantu's words that I came here to make Blacks feel sorry for me and so on ... You were not too sympathetic .
I should have quoted everybody's opinions . Sorry .
Right now I cannot write more .
Peace to everybody .
Maya

Firstly  I am sorry if you class my way of asking questions and finding out things "Judgement" in your opinon.That was the furthest thing from my mind anyway.
Also why would you think i was implying your children shouldn't be born with my quote you totally took it out of context Maya, it didn't mean that and if you choose to think as it of such then rethink it again and i apologize if it made you think such but what i was trying to say in simplier terms is that you have them now and you must guide them and help them along to find acceptance in this cold world hope you understand.And even still if they father give them his "cultural background" they still have to be guided to find acceptance and who they are.

Hotep

peace all.

i think that there is absolutely nothing problematic about a Black person, and more particularly a Black woman, asserting that she understands this current fixation on multiculturalism to be a false and dangerous paradigm. Black women and our pespectives are often silenced, excluded and abandoned when people start talking about the wonders of multiculturalism. more importantly, Black women who understand biracial progenics involving those of African descent as most often existing in relation to the projected demise of Black women's dignity, beauty and voice as the white supremacist aesthics and values are still entrenched in the minds of many people globally, should not be demonized especially in Black safe places such as this.

also Black women are wise in maintaining a discerning approach to light skinned biracial folks as it is often probable that their allegiance to Black empowerment may be unsettled and inconsistent. especially those of us sisters who are activists-by whatever definition-should be careful as not to drain ourselves with political fence sitters and spirit parasites. self honoring and self defense strategies employed by exploited people is never bigotry from this stand point. even biracial children (of Black men and non-Black women), as innocent as they may be, have often been conditioned already to relate to Black women in overly needy or disparaging ways. this can be very tiring and/or hurtful though often very subtle. this has been my experience. this is not to mention the absurdedly strained relations between Black women and the Black men engaged in relations with non-Black women. there is overwhelming silence about this pain of rejection as Black women are often pushed to appear strong and unaffected by this growing preference for white femininity by Black men. and then by extension we are the bitchy ones when we express our feelings and our analysis of this trope of white supremacy.

as a woman of the African diaspora i am quite aware that most of us Black folks on this side of the Atlantic have European, Native, Latino etc foreparents. however, my everyday life as a darkskinned woman does not reflect the creolization of my bloodlines nor serve me any priviledges as marked by the color hierarchy. whatever the case, this (often forced) hybridity may not be case for other peoples who lived outside the brutal chaos of the slave trade that shaped the so called New World. thus i can not speak for the genetic makeup of Africans on the continent especially when most of my information would come from Western sources infected with their own agendas. instead of thinking that we can always school African peoples on their his/herstory perhaps we should consider how in step we are with white supremacy in assuming their ignorance and when we do not question and deconstruct the knowledge of the West.

As a 'multiracial' ex-child (and always a child at heart) I think that 'multiracial' children are children whose parents come from two different social groupings defined as 'races' by the societies in which we live.
That's about the only thing I could think about multiracial children in general, any further query as to opinion, would have to be about a specific child, multiracial or otherwise.
I do think that all children are beautiful regardless of race or multi-race.
That's my answer to the question without having read the rest of the thread.

Having read a couple more entries in this thread:
Maya, the more Black people who your youths grow up around the better.
Right now it sounds like an unhealthy environment that they are growing up in if they are being subjected to those kinds of things.
It is very important for those of us who are born as Black people in this time (black skinned and brown skinned Black people) to know who we are, where we stand and how to survive and progress, this is something you will not be able to fully teach your youths no matter how much you love them (no disrespect, just a fact).
It's better if they grow up around plenty Black people.

I agree with sista Erzulie it is about time black women speak up and defend our people from the whitest of white who consider themselves the blackest of black. It is amazingly ridiculous...



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I am not ashamed to be a Black Nationalist! There is nothing wrong with me favoring the interests of blacks and opposing all peoples who try to ruin our group, intelligence, and dignity! It is only your assumption to claim I want to exterminate all white men on this planet. But know I am not ill of mind. I am not ruled by evil spirits of dissatisfaction that initially sprang up among your peoples in the Eurasian caves and plains 90,000 years ago, and their passion to be the greatest stumbling block in race harmony in this world. Because of that no black who is truly informed is unforgiving to your peoples. I feel no guilt to hurt your feelings because it happens to the members of my race all their lives that make us tough.  

I think your argument you are "African" come out of shame for how vicious white peoples are as a whole. You believe that somehow if you can make babies with blacks, and IDENTIFY yourself as "Africans" it can somehow make a difference for us. Well it simply can't! You have NO African blood although you claim to be "AFRICAN". You and your mulatto sons help to build a color superiority or prejudice. We don’t want you in Bantu Africa to believe you are "black" to crush our blood like it has been done in South Africa and some part of the West Indies.

I am RPOUD to be a black African- African is MY heritage! But your claim is ridiculous that Whites are "African," while themselves just say they are WHITE. They never claim they are "African." Their ancestors are "European" look how they are imposing racial classifications! It is truly amazing you ignore this fact. I repeat your peoples have NO African blood, your mixed raced children partially. They can call themselves "African" because they are. But look at yourself do you look African? Just look at yourself! You have a different appearance, culture, and identity separate from us. So do not attempt to pacify us with your crap!

You white liberals so-called "Afrocentrists" sticking your nose in our affairs will meet the toughest of us blacks since you show time and time again you are not here to fix our problems! I see how you have a problem with being white. I personally believe it is up to you to solve this problem not the black peoples with little knowledge of your ability to fool them causing all these interracial matings, self-hatred, and colonialism unrest. I wish you would go to your kind and leave us alone. However it will never happen apparently your lives are meaningless without us.

B.K

Good morning ,

Erzulie , After I read your post and some old threads on Africaspeaks and Bantu Kelani forum about Black Women situation , I think I began to understand your point of view .

Being a woman and mother of " women-to-be " (I have baby - girls ) give me the opportunity to " see " intuitively what you mean and what is your point  .
Of course , it does not give me full understanding of the problem , simply because I did not experience that situation and I am not one of you . That's clear . There is no consealed rascism in my statement .

I cannot write more right now because I'm on the time constance .

Erzulie and Everybody here ,
Thank you for sharing your opinion .
maya ...

Hmmmmmmm,
I always get a kick out of individuals that say "Your black because of the infamous 1/8 rule, so you should accept that you are black because thats the way society looks at you". What horseshit. First off, there are scientifically proven physiological and genetic differences between mono-racial blacks and bi/multiracial persons. Also, the very rule that you idiotic and prejudiced black (or white for that matter) people ascribe to is the same one (And this is for you ms. black nationalist) that emphatically indicates that black women are nothing more than animalistic savages that seduce white men. So when you buy into this stupid mythology you need to understand that you are also buying into the old white slavemaster's mentality. Wake up. Secondly, as a proud and biracial male I believe that we are are own race and that too much time and energy from mono-racial people is expended in trying to understand or evaluate us. What I say to all, speaking for myself and countless other bi/multiracial persons, is that the majority of us don't have racial identity problems and are happy and productive members of society. I guess i can't completely denouce your idiotic ideology on the one eighth rule born out of white supremacist thinking, because I feel disgusted and questioning of why people of mixed heritage are pursued relentless by mono-racial people. If we're so screwed up please stay away from us and allow us to grow within our own construct.

Greatttttt,
Nice reply. How intelligent is it to throw out racial epitaths? You appear to be not only ignorant, but apparently can't read. Nowhere in my reply did I say anything about "wanting to be with white women or white culture". So where the hell did you get that? It sounds to me like you simply are so caught up in your "black nationalism" that you fail to see any other point(s) besides your own. And just a little f.y.i. why don't you mono-racial blacks stop LUSTING after our women and whatever your name is, why don't you go find yourself a nice dark skinned, kinky haired, thick lipped "sistah" instead of poisoning our gene pool. And yes this means you Kunta Kinte. I find it extremely funny that you criticize me yet the majority of you "black nationalists" have mulatta women as your significant others. Not only is that disgusting to me as a biracial person...It's the farthest thing from appropriate. You want to argue my point(s). Please feel free. I love a good, and by the looks of your comments, simple argument.

Mr.Exoticmxml, greetings to you,I dont know if it my place to say this or not but i am going to say it anyway.I dont know whether your intentions or good or bad but on this board and forum we come in peace and we dont not dwell into the fact of attacking one another with racial statements and other judgements.

Blessings and Hotep

Mr. Exotic
Seems like you think multiracial people are a "different" and (apparently from your comments) "superior" race? You don't want "monoracial" Black people "messing up your gene pool"??? You sound like a sad case BROTHA.
I guess you must have gotten a lot of ish from "monoracial" Black people for you to talk so bitterly about them. I guess I can't relate cos I never really had no problems from Black people for being mixed... just from white people for being Black.
Whatever your personal experience might have been, get over it and look at the big picture. As a next "multiracial" person I just wanted to state clearly that your experience is apparently far from mine.
Do you live in the U.S. or U.K. or one of them countries? Do you notice that you get stopped more often by the police than your white buddies? Why do you think that is so? Because they see you as "multiracial" or because they see you as a NIGGER?

First of all Gman i'm interested in knowing how you identify yourself? black or multiracial? Secondly, the very fact that you think my opinion is that multiracial people are a "superior race" is sad in and of itself. My experience hasn't been horrible from either mono-racial blacks or whites and for your information i don't have any "white buddies". My friends are bi/multiracial people who are very conscious of the prejudice that exists from both monoracial blacks and whites etc. It is you that is the sad case as you apparently, and maybe i shouldn't assume, think because the white majority defines you as "black" that you are monoracially black. I am not your "brotha" nor am i you homey or what ever psuedo syllogisms you chose to define someone other than yourself. Also, if you think being proud of one's race (White, Black, Native, Asian, Hispanic (Not a race and ethnic group(s)) and wanting to see your race established, marrying inside your own race etc., is having a "superior attitude" then you got me. You know it's interesting (And this is for you to princess) that you have "Black nationalists" that spout of and attack a woman with children of mixed heritage and none of you monoracial or even pathetically uneducated and very self denying bi/multiracial (yeah you gman) say boo, however, when a racially conscious person stands up for their beliefs and hopefully attracts the attention of other racially conscious bi/multiracial people you get yourself worked up. Again, i feel sorry for you because to deny the basic foundation for which your existance is based on is truly saddening and ultimately a travesty of justice. I'm American by the way. Lastly, i have a ? for you Gman. Have you ever seriously taken into consideration the fact that by marrying someone other than your own racial makeup (As i'm sure you date many monoracial black women) could inadvertantly have devastating effects on the propagation of our, bi/multiracial race.?

I removed a post from Kelani that was before exoticmxml's response:



in which she used certain terms for whites that were unacceptable.

exoticmxml's post is in response to Kelani's post that was removed.

Yan

Exotic dude, I'll respond to you later *BROTHA*
Yan, I have to ask so I know, what terms for whites are unacceptable on here?
Here are some terms I know of, which ones can I not say under any circumstances?:
Honky
Cracker
Peckerwood
Devil
Wasichu
Haole
Backra
Mutant
As I'm sure you're aware I'm not 'racist' towards white people but as long as the white supremacist system is in place I don't think they have a right to complain about anything any Black person (or other colonized group) might decide to call em, it's only words. Besides I think some of those words are quite poetic, humorous (to me) and apply very well to CERTAIN white people.
Not trying to challenge the rules of the house, I have no prob respecting the rules, just need clarification as to exactly what they are.

Oh my,
Gman i can't wait for your response. I've been debating this subject for a long time. I even did my Master's and Doctorate thesis on the subject. So by all means respond to me, I always like debating with someone who denounces what they are verbally and throught their actions.

This is a bit off topic but having mentioned those derogatory terms for white folks, I thought I'd outline what I know about the etymology of those words, since etymology is interesting to me and I dare say to other people.
Honky: as far as I have heard, derives from when white men would drive into Harlem looking for prostitutes. As they would be afraid to come out of their car when they entered Harlem, they would *honk* the horn to summon the pimp to escort them to the prostitute--- hence "honky".
Cracker: depending who you ask, it either refers to "whip-cracker" or to "redneck cracker", i.e., white people's reddened necks would burn and crack in the sun.
Devil: derives from the Nation of Islam mythology that says white people are "grafted devils" who were bred by a mad scientist called Yakub 6000 years ago. But I would bet money it was in use long before the NOI emerged, referring to the obvious devilish characteristics of the oppressor.
Wasichu: American Indian term meaning literally "fat-taker"; i.e. greedy person who takes all the fat and doesn't share it.
Haole: Native Hawaiian term, means "without soul".
Backra: used throughout the caribbean, certainly Guyana anyway. Not sure of the etymology of this one but have heard it refers to whippings making one's "back raw". Have heard another explanation too but I don't remember it.
Apart from one of the possible meanings of "cracker", and apart from the NOI mythology, none of these terms refer specifically to physical characteristics like skin color, they refer to behavior and conduct. Hence I wonder if they could really be called "racist" terms even if you think Black people can be "racist" to white people in the system as it exists.

It is cool Yan you had to do what you had to do to keep the house in order I’m not mad at you…

Anyways, it makes no sense for me to debate an individual like that, but I have to say this...

eh! exoticmxml you are a proud bi-racial then you not black. Is it not funny in this world you are looked upon as less and you are inferior as blacks in white people eyes. That doesn't do anything because you are a proud bi-racial man right? The only reason I a pro black black person would allow my time and interest to bi-racials is if they manifest pride to be part black that’s all. But you come here in this pro BLACK forum missing humility you think I will consider you? What's your point? Does it make any pro black black person feel any inferior you are proud to be half cr.. sorry..white in this planet? I have no problem letting you come here all fired up claiming to be part of the enemy (yours too) that’s indeed for your best interest. You don't even have dignity. Peace.

B.K

Exotic dude!
Sup dawg, here I am to respond to you homey.
I'll happily answer to Black, brown, African, Afro-Celtic, Guyanese, Welsh, 'Ackneyite, or Rasta. Even "nigga" if it's a Black or brown person calling me that who is from a certain culture (say, New York City).
"Multiracial" though, what does that mean? Expand your concept of "race" a little and there are very few people who are not "multiracial" to some extent or another. The Anglo-Saxons and the Celts considred themselves as different races although they looked the same. Ashanti people did not used to think of themselves as being the same "race" as Igbo people.
Let me see if I get what you're saying... first you say you have not had horrible experiences from Black people for being "multiracial", then you talk about the horrible prejudice against multiracial people by monoracial people including Blacks. Which is it?
What's the difference between you and a "monoracial" Black person? That you have white or some other race in you, right? So when you go on about keeping multiracial people as a pure race (ONE OF THE MOST UTTERLY HILARIOUS THINGS I HAVE EVER READ, THANX FOR THE LAUGH *BRO*!), you're saying you want to keep that balance of Black and white genes, right? So what am I supposed to think other than that you are reversing the old plantation ideology that said "mulattos are a nasty hybrid breed with all the worst qualities of both races" and replacing it with "mulattos are the chosen ones, and people with white blood are superior to people with only Black blood"?
Let me get this straight, you only hang out with/date other "multiracial" people? I think that's a bit weird man, to be honest. Well I guess it takes all sorts, or whatever.
In the ultimate sense, race is an illusion, we are all the same race in an ultimate scientific sense, as there is more genetic diversity within any one race, than there is between any two races.
In the here and now gritty reality sense, I identify as Black, African, not "multiracial". That doesn't mean I deny the other side of my heritage, it's wicked to be Welsh too! *wicked meaning good*
Why would I only identify with other "multiracial" people when I could identify with all Black people, which includes "multiracial" people with Black in em, at least those who look Black.
I don't have any kids yet, when I do, I couldn't care less whether the mother is midnight-black, brown like me, or lighter skinned than me, as long as she's Black. (It's my personal prerogative to choose who I want to be my baby's mother and personally I don't want to have no kids with a white woman).
I've dated "monoracial" Black women, a "biracial" woman like me, a woman of East Indian descent and a Brazilian woman who I have no idea what all races are inside her although for sure she has African and indigenous blood and probably some European.
If you want to exclusively hang out with and date other "multiracial" people and consider yourselves some sort of separate race that needs to be kept "pure" (I STILL CAN'T GET OVER THAT, ROFLMFAO!!!!), that's your prerogative, but forgive me for thinking of you as a little weird.
That's about all I could think of for now.

What an utterly stupid and nonsensical response bantu. First of all what on God's green earth are you talking about? Your syntax and grammar are horrible. Secondly, you are the one that is misguided. You are missing my point in that we, as bi/multiracial people, do not view monoracial people as the enemy, however, our leeriness is well founded insofar as individuals like yourself's mono mentality. Wake up, it's the new millenium and you don't have to define yourself in the set standards of racial make-ups. What specifically is your point anyway?

Gman,

We don’t have a history of people using those terms to address ignorant, silly, arrogant and even racist whites who come to these boards. We have done well reasoning with them, sharing our views or ignoring them if we feel. If they are not interested in learning they eventually move on. That seems to be a far better way to deal with them instead of using ‘racist’, or casually colloquial terms to describe anyone or allowing the reasoning to shift to a question of who has the right to use "racist insults" to whom.

Exoticmxml, my grammar and syntax are what they are.. I am Kongolese I am not posting to impress you with my English or anyone else on theses boards. You say you are proud to be half white, so stick with that and leave pro black blacks alone! I seek no "points" with you, you are not interesting to me.

B.K

Well talk about hilarity gman which response should I address first. Well how about you stating that I "cant make up my mind" as in saying I, personally, haven't had horrific experiences with blacks or whites, however, (And forgive me if this gets a little to complex for your mind) I made a general statement with regards to some of my bi/multiracial friends relating their "horrible experiences" with monoracial people. Ok, on to the next inaccurate accusation. Where did I say anything about being a "pure race"? I think I indicated that there are many of us who consider ourselves a different race from the normatively defined races. If you took the statement i made about poisoning our gene pool as an insinuation of racial purity then you misunderstood me. What i meant and still mean is that there are certain physical as well as biological characteristics bi/multiracial people have that other races don't. I happen to love those qualities and your right it's your preference to date monoracial black women just as it is my preference to only date women that are of my own racial make-up. You address the term multiracial as though everyone is somewhat multiracial in their origins. Let me give you a little genetic/physics lesson. Biracial = the child of two different racially classified persons. Multi-racial = the child of two different racially classified persons either parent having multiple ethnicities. Does that make any sense. You also make reference to "Mulattos being a combination of the worst of the black and white races" and treated as such in the times of slavery. My only comment is where do you get your sources and how credible are they? Please, continue to comment because I love to debate this subject with anyone.

Good for you bantu. If i am not interesting why respond to my posts. Also, you seem to have the misconception that I profoundly pronounce that i am "half white". When did i say that? I said and will say it again that bi/multiracial people are a different race. Where did you get the inference to being half white? You, on the other hand, are very interesting in that listening to your simplistic ideologies is not only humorous, but entertaining as well.

Gman...FYI...Actually I read and heard it was when Eruopeans men used to drive around Harlem at night "slumming"(a commen passtime for Europeans at the time). The African women had to take the bus home from their day jobs in the Eruopeans' homes as domestic servants, and they would only reach Harlem at night. The Eruopean men would then erroneousely mistake the African domestic servants that were walking home to their families from the bus stop as prostitutes. They would then honk at the African women and were therefore called "honkies" for being disrespectful and stupid.

I'm with you. This guy is a nut case. It takes all kinds. And you know weirdos pop up here every now and again like any other forum. I mean, the guy didn't even read this site long enough to realize it is an international posting board and that the "mastery" of English or lack thereof is a non-issue to insult someone with. He also didn't attack the grammer of the European poster...which is most telling IMO. Xenophobic and/or a grammer freak only with non-Europeans.

Kelani, you are correct. He is not worth your time or energy.

Exotic thing,

I know I am going to regret it but here goes...I'm not asking for a direct response...I just think you should ask yourself these questions...

What attracted you to a board called 'Africa Speaks' if you do not consider yourself an African or part of the African family? Was it just the subject of this thread? If so, why would you think you would find anyone with your ideology on a board with this title? If you didn't think you would find like minded folk...What is your point in posting? To just be argumentative with folk you know will never agree with you? Why would you want to waiste your time in that case?

P.S. Do you do a brown paper bag test with your friends and associates? Or are you more of the "blue vein" society type?
It frightens me that people still think as you do, and are mistakenly 'proud' enough to post about it.  I'm quite aware there are plenty that think as you, I run into them often in the Southern United Snakes, but most feel uncomfortable stating it around folk they know frown upon it, at least most stick to some closed forum Yahoo group where you can stroke each others egos and mentally masturbate. Speaking of, I have a feeling you came from one of those forums. Why not find your home? Here, you are like a fish out of water. But of course I cannot tell you what to do or where to post, so you are free to gasp for air until you choke here. This will be my first and final post to this subject.

I will be taking Yan's advice. To ignore you.

I'm out.

Yes, I noticed! So much attention on the black woman voice what’s the deal?

Sistah Oshun Auset, let's ignore this fool and handle our business.
He should go to a website more in line with his thinking. Might I suggest inter-racial.com!

B.K

Seen, Yan, no problem.
One reason I brought that up is that by coincidence (synchronicity?) I used the "C" word (not the four letter one that is commonly used here in Britain as general abuse for anyone, but the seven letter one normally used in america as a term of abuse for whites/racist whites) in a post on the "All are free to follow His Majesty" or whatever that thread is named. Never saw BK's original post that was deleted, but we  must have been moved to use the word at about the same time. Anyway that's in one of my posts on that thread if there's a problem with it.
Respect

Greetings,
This is my first post here on this forum, so I would like to extend a heartful greeting to all memebers and visitors.
Blessed Love!

Now on to the topic at hand......

I have read quite a few posts here regarding all sorts of interracial topics.  First of all, I am an interracial sista myself.   [smiley=daisy.gif]  I smile as I type that because I rarley point that out to others or even think of myself as one. I guess this is because, I was raised in a household (mother = syrian/indian; father = dark, African descendant) where race was not an issue, and that is my foundation.  Up until I was about seven years I thought that I was no different from my mother, and was not reminded that I was black until I went around her side of the family, and  until I came to the US..  Therefore, I was raised to be void of color, and if I ever asked where my ancestors came from, the response was often "Never mind that, you are here now."  I am now 25 years and in the past five years I have been learning about what it means to be a black woman, since I have basically lived my life as if I was fair skinned, and also because, in contrast to how I was raised, that is what my outward appearance reflects. I must admit that I have found myself to come into a sweet relationship with my blackness, and embrace it fully as being something beautiful.  My mother, needless to say, is outraged and does not understand the woman I have blossomed into being.  She detests the kinks of my natural hair, the fullness of my lips, the knowledge of my history, the beat of my drum, the dance of my feet, the wraps that crown my head, the skirts that conceal my womanhood, and the adoration, respect, and love that I have for my lions.  In gentleness, I try to make her see that while I appreciate her heritage as well, it is the cries of Africa that send my heart racing.  I love my black people no matter what they are percieved to be by others.  Now, I could have chosen to live ( mentally, and the best that I could physically) as if no part of I were not of African descent; however that would be to subject my spirit to slavery.....It was not until I came to know my blackness, that I came to know myself.
Now that a sketch of my background is complete, I will get to my initial intentions.  Please take no offense, for I come to learn.

QUESTIONS:

1.  Why is it that some Rases, and others who are pro monoracial, so disgusted by those who are multiracial?  I mean, I understand there beliefs on having a "pure race",  but looking at me one might just as well assume that I was not of mixed races.  And as has often happen, when one finds that I am not "pure", I am discreditted as a black woman, I am discreditted as a white woman, and I am discreditted as an Indian woman.  So, who must I think of as "my people"?  Does not one consider how much it grieves my heart ( and others like I) to be rejected by those who are of the African diapora?  The very people whom share in your trials, oppression.
2.  What do ones propose should be done with multiracial people?  Where should we go?  (I believe it is said "Europe for Europeans and Africa for Africans") I yearn for Mamma Africa, but because I am of mixed heritage, am I out of line for my yearnings?
3.  Since a great amount of people do have traces of various races within them, what exactly is the ratio that stigmatizes one to be "mixed breed"?
4.  Lastly, if we are all YAH's children (those of us who choose HIM), what exactly is the purpose of frowning upon "the mixing of the races"?  Is YAH-YAH not for me too?

All questions were raised due to my personal adverse experiences as being "mixed".  And were asked not to be rude, but rather to gain knowledge.  I mean not to offend anyone, by any means.

 

I am not against mix raced children! But I am against mix race marriages.
It even says in the bible do not mix your seeds. It was also considered a sin to sleep with another woman or man from a different race, because all human beings do not have the same way of life, meaning you will interrupt your spiritual progression. Human beings are here on earth only to learn and become as god. Blacks and whites cannot mix seeds; blacks can’t even marry or sleep with a person of mixed race. This is the natural laws and the ways of the universe. Find me a dog that sleeps with a cat?
Animals obey the laws of this planet but humans don’t.  

" Find me a dog that sleeps with a cat? "

I don't think this analogy is right .
We are all humans .

Greetings Jemba,

Ok, I agree with Maya, the analogy is incorrect.  Dogs and cats have totally two different genetic make-ups --- they are two different mammalian beings.  The race of a human is of the same mamalian group and species ( the correct analogy would be that of different breeds of dogs laying with one another --- which they do).  Further, if you want to use that arguement, there are mammalss and other organisms that do lay with ones that are not of their kind ( ie horse+donkey-mule).
Secondly, Mixing of the races was forbade by the Almighty because it would interrupt ones spirituality.  Ok, I understrand how that "was".  Because HE divided us so that we would be confused by one another ( we were too wicked to be as one ---- story of the tower of Babel); and people did no thave direct access to one another's culture, so marrying foreign peoples who effect one's spirituality. And the blood of the LORD's people had to be kept pure order to fulfill prophecy of the Savior etc.........But many interracial marriages ( that of my parents' included) are bonds between man and woman of the same faith.  Race is not necessarily a prerequisite for many religions these days, and it is certainly not for Christianity, and now even Judaism.  Furthermore, you can sho wme one race of people, and within them are many different faiths, so you just may marry someone of the same race, but still have different faiths.  And, in keeping with the idea of different faiths for different races, that means that there are different gods for differnt races?   [smiley=confused.gif]   So, my god is not for you, and yours is not for me (who's the god of the mixed race children?)?

Besides if I am Empress, and am of mixed race, and YAH has blessed me to rise and claim my position, you mean a Lion would not marry me just because of my mixed heritage?  [smiley=confused.gif]  What a blessing he will be missing out on then. Bcause, I do not know about your Almighty, but HE who is mine, the one of the patriarchs of the Hebrew Bible
(Old Testament), and the FATHER of those of the New Testament, belongs to everyone, because HE created all with HIS mighty and loving hand. And mixed or not, HE has raised me to do great and wonderous things through HIM.
So, rest assured that my Lion (the one that I patiently await for YAH to send to me; the very one that was set aoart for me and I for him since before conception), needs not worry about his spirituality being "tainted", but only elivated, nurtured, and respected for the Empress.  And if he wil be one that is worried about the mixing of the races, then he need not worry about that either because it is a child's father's blood that runs through the veins not the mother's.

Lastly, if you are against interracial marriages, then aren't you in some way against mixed children and peoples too?  Afterall, we are the product of the marriage.  I mean, if I am against the many sins, would it not be right to say that I am against the product of them (uneccessary death, oppression, heartache, corruption, pestalence, hate, greed, famin etc)  ie the sin of ignorance + the sin of slaying another = the sin of hate that slays and oppressess a people for generations to come.
I do not condemn anyone for their views, for that is not my place, and I am secure, "pure breed" or not, in who YAH has created me to be  --- ultimetly to fulfill a purpose in HIM and not in man.


ps please excuse all spelling and grammatical errors for I am preparing for my day, as well as typing.  
Bless!

Everything in the universe is the almighty creation and our ancestors teach as the Almighty’s highest form of creation is the human being. But there are many forms of human on the planet earth contrary to what scientists may tell as, we all differ from one another. The Caucasians have different origin the Chinese have different origins and so do the Bantu.
When any of these species mix their seed they make a completely new species of human being. Our ancestors teach as mixing your seeds are not an option or choice; we could not interfere with the progression of another human be they chimes or Caucasian. If you look at the northern part of Africa you will see what mixing your genes can do. The Bantu race where nearly whipped out of existence not to long ago by the white civilisation. They used the mulatato race or half black and half white, to integrate their genes into our civilization. So the Bantu had to move from kemet and leave their old land to the hyksos. They migrated to the central Africa and begun a new civilisation, which was called THE KONGO EMPIRE

kongo meaning black. Let me tell you a story of thotmoses the 1.
When abraham and his tribewas sent to kemet by his god or deity Yahweh. They where welcomed by the peaceful and scientific Bantu people. Abraham and his wife sarah where received by the mani kongo or pharaoh of kemet, thotmoses the 1 after one year of waiting for consult. He granted them permission and promised them their own part of land. Abraham and his wife sarah where to stay at the mani or pharaohs royal chamber for 3 nights as it was a custom for leaders of nations to host over leaders of nation with a great deal of respect. One day thotmoses the mani kongo or pharaoh saw the woman Sarah, naked in her chambers. He was consumed with lust and they had sexual intercourse. Upon realising the great mistake he had made, the pharaoh thotmoses the 1 banished Abraham and Sarah and their to their new land as quick as possible. But he knew his fate was already sealed, every Bantu man and woman knew the punishment of sleeping with another woman or man not of your race was death. The pharaoh went into the temple of nsigi or osiris the lord of the duwah or death for a ceremony of cleansing, which lasted 3 days. He spoke to the ancestors and asked them for forgiveness and life within the flesh realm, because he had alot of knowledge to give to the next generation of children. Him being a reincarnation of a deity in flesh as all pharaohs or mani kongos are. The ancestors forgave him and extended his period of life in the earth realm. After coming out of the temple of osiris, the pharaoh thotmoses the 1, wrote a new law. From this day on instead of Bantu humans being circumcised at 12 for the rights of passage into man hood, every child would be circumcised at birth AMAN>meaning so let it be.
Because we have lost our ways after many years in the Europeans civilisation, we have forgotten how strict our own rules are. If you are mixed race and your mother was a black Bantu woman, then you are my distant cousin and of my race. If your father was Bantu and your mother European then you belong to the Europeans race. That is the laws of bukongo. Many will feel hurt and disturbed by the laws of our ancestors but they must realise that’s the conditions our ancestors lived by.

Greetings,
Jemba,
Ok I see what you are saying and I know the story that you told.  However, give thanks for the additional information that you gave me about the Kongo and Bantu.

On the other hand,if you are going to go by medical terms and by Biblical terms, how is it that I, of mixed race, belong to the Caucasion race because my father is the one who is black?  I mean, seriously, if my skin is as bronze as it is, and my hair as kinky as it is, then ummmm I do not think that I am caucasion.  Furthermore, on a deeper level than superficial appearances, both medicinal and Biblical texts refer to the blood being passed on by the father and not the mother. Hence, the many restrictions in the Bible and in the Kebra of who can and cannot lay with whom in ones family.  I fyou map out all of the abominations of incest according to these texts, you will see that it is because of he blood that is passed through the father.  That is also why the Savior had to be conceived of the SPIRIT and not of man.  If he had his earthly father's blood, then the sins of his fathers would have been upon HIS shoulders ( the Almighty often passes down the wages of ones sins on to the generations that follow).    Anyhow, I guess this all depends on what faith you are of, and I respect the respect that you have for the ancestors.  I too find it sad that races of people have been literally earased by man's minipulation of mass intergration; however, that was by force and with alterior motives.  What if one wants to marry for love?  I believe that it is their, and the Almighty's, choice .  I have nothing against those who wish to keep their blood line "pure" if YAH has called them to do so ( as I do believe that one should be joined to the one who the Almighty has ordained for them), then that is their calling.  I just have a problem when ones says that ALL people should remain pure.  Mostly the biological differences of the races, as are the varying species of most other mammals and organisms are, are not due to the differences in the initail creation of mankind, but rather are due to adaptation differences.  Afterall, all man has their origin in Africa; or do you not believe that to be true?
I do have a couple more questions though:
1.  Was/are Bantu peoples of a matriarchal society or patriarchal?  I want to learn more.
2.  If you found and courted someone whom you wanted to marry, and later found out that they were indeed of mixed race what would you do?  Say, "Sorry, I love you and all, but you are of mixed race, so I must leave you."?  Or is it that you ask of a person's racial background upon first seeing and meeting them?

Bless! [smiley=clapping.gif]

hotep

I am from the BUKONGO ancient kongo society. In our social leaving we have three clans, NSANKU the priest hood clan, MPAMZU the scientist clan and NZINGHA the pharaohnic clan. These are our three great ancestors which all the Bantu hail from, NSANKU was our male ancestor and the colour which represents this priesthood clan is blue. MPANZU is a male ancestor and the colour which, represent this scientific clan is yellow. NZINGHA is our female ancestor and the colour which represents this pharaohnic clan is red. The colour blue is for love, the colour yellow is for wisdom and the colour red is for power. The three attributes of the highest AMAKONGO. Every pharaoh or mani kongo in our history hails from the clan of our great ancestor NZINGHA.
1.Scientists have found that every child contains a gene
Hotep

which is given from the mother that the father cannot give. I don’t quite know how to spell its name but ill try anyway. The name of this gene is mishindra. In our social leaving the woman is the one who has rights to the children not the male.
 
2. I would honour and respect the laws and end the relationship if I was ever in that situation. Believe me our ancestors have codes that cannot be broken, we also have a marriage ceremony which unite two people to become as one if you ever broke the bondage with ought the permission of your partner, believe it or not you will die.

Greetings!
jemba,
I must say that at first I had mixed feelings about your posts, but with what you are teaching me, I no longer feel as though I would be "rejected".  Being humble in nature, I hav elooked beyond that and am enjoying your teachings.  Such culture and heritage just amazes me.  It is a passion of mine to learn about ancient societies and peoples, and who they are today.  This is no different; and forgive my ignorance on the subject; but something that seems so natural to you has become a new and enlightened thing to me.  I will save the info that you have shared with this community and will research and read further ( part of the joy of gaining wisdom is finding it yourself and not just having someone tell you).  Misgana!  [smiley=sunny.gif]

And pardon me if I offend, but even though I am of mixed races, due to my mom not being black, I still think of all peoples as being my peoples; but black people (all peoples from different tribes, creeds, and faiths --- even you) are the ones whom I shall hail and hold a special place in my heart until I am to trodd upon this earth no more and it is with my black people whom my spirit does connect.  Every day I awake and thank YAH that I am a woman whose skin is bronzed, and whose hair is beautifully kinky.

ps  I know this probably should have been directed as a personal message to you, but I am sre that someone will benefit from seeing how two people of opposing sides can come and learn and make peace with one another. [smiley=smile.gif]

Bless!

Hotep

We are not of opposite side, even if our souls may not be of the same heritage.
The most highs creations be they black or white or mixed, have a place and a deity to guide them within this realm. I love and respect all women because they are a creative spirit.
My master teacher Chief black eagle Ne Mpazu a Nzingha Ndombe the 2 teaches as to respect every living spirit on earth from trees to animals. And the laws of creation nsiku or maat, must be taught to all the human family on earth for natural law is the only laws that will keep this earth from going into self destruction.


Bless all women

Ps. The maat which is on the echant walls of Egypt is not the full version.

Greetings,
jemba
At the risk of turning this forum into a personal one between you and I,  [smiley=grin3.gif]  I would like to say that once again something I did not know.  I had no idea that the maat was not the full version.  
Misgana ... again
[smiley=idea2.gif]

hello  and peace for all around.I have two gambian -finnish boys and i myself am a white finnish single-mother.We are facing racism every day here in Finland.When we visited in Gambia people there called my kids only beatiful witch they simply are.

Hey Karolyna ,
How are you managing with rascism and mental agression towards your children ? How you protect your children from rascist people ?
Could you give me advice ?
As I mentioned before , we are facing rascism everyday too .
Almost everyday we have rascist incidents .
Maya

 Sorry for my English . I should write  " racism " instead of
" rascism ".May

i am perplexed to see this lady come hre and cry that whites have been victim of holocaust,she isa fake azz jew,aka rheziku arayan,descedant of the indo europeans,so what,am i supposed to take my pant down for you master ,so you can whip me and put me in your place,the problem with muti racial chidren,they will be in shock,because when they grow up,they will be confused with eurocentric education,bering taught by white parents teaching dem to be ever subservient and obidient to their colonial masters,sorry@maya,i make no apologies for the what i say, because whites control the wealth of the world and keeps minorities subjagated and economically exploited,it is easy for jews to cry out holocaust,but more african people people died during the trans atlantic slave trade,they dont mention the fact,that jews owned slaves as well,
they falsify history and manipulate history for their own needs,israel was and isa part of africa and the state of israel was created in 1947,by amerikkka and britain.all the people you mentioned,the scandivanians,
the celts and what not were barbarians,the vikings were barbarians who raped their women ands after that killed them >:(

Hey,

Thanks.

Just to clarify. I am not a Jew. I am not crying for them. My English is not perfect, so sorry for misunderstanding. I do not really care what is hapenning to Jews right now. I am more concerned about Palestine. Sorry for being strightforward ...
All these things about Hebrew and Israel State you mentioned about , I know already, but thanks for your input to raise my consciousness.

You are not supposed to take your pant down for me. I do not have my own place to put you in. I wish I had...

As I mentioned, I am an Eastern European white woman with some Gypsy background.
Gypsy is not the same what "modern" Jew is.

My children will not go to school. They will be homeschooled.
They do not have only white parents. Their father is not white.

I am not going to teach them eurocentric staff.
I do not know, if you have ever been to Eastern Europe.
It is much different than Central and Western Europe, due to our long  isolation from the Western hemisphere.

My children will not live in Europe.

I feel I shouldn't have started this topic at all.If you wish, just delete it from this forum.

It was almost two yrs. ago




i am perplexed to see this lady come hre and cry that whites have been victim of holocaust,she isa fake azz jew,aka rheziku arayan,descedant of the indo europeans,so what,am i supposed to take my pant down for you master ,so you can whip me and put me in your place,the problem with muti racial chidren,they will be in shock,because when they grow up,they will be confused with eurocentric education,bering taught by white parents teaching dem to be ever subservient and obidient to their colonial masters,sorry@maya,i make no apologies for the what i say, because whites control the wealth of the world and keeps minorities subjagated and economically exploited,it is easy for jews to cry out holocaust,but more african people people died during the trans atlantic slave trade,they dont mention the fact,that jews owned slaves as well,
they falsify history and manipulate history for their own needs,israel was and isa part of africa and the state of israel was created in 1947,by amerikkka and britain.all the people you mentioned,the scandivanians,
the celts and what not were barbarians,the vikings were barbarians who raped their women ands after that killed them

Alright, I went through some old posts of mine and I think I see what you ment.

I mentioned there that I am against gloryfing jews martydom without mentioning and teaching about other nations and ethinc groups holocaust and genocide, which is still going on.

What I mean by born with Aushwitz stigma...
Here, where I live , I can jump in the first bus on the street and arrived to Aushwitz and all those places after only half an hour trip. This is what I ment.
Eastern Europe is quite different.
All my life I hear about Aushwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek, some other camps, secret prisons built here by Natists during the Second World War , Communists after the Second World War etc. etc.
Right now we hear about CIA secret jails somewhere in my country. I guess, they are continuing their traditions.
As I stated, I am not a Jew and I have no intentions to cry for them before other nations INCLUDING MY OWN NATION.

Greetings. That depends on the reasons why you had those children. I say that because why you have or had children determins how you raise them. For instance: If you had those children because and only because of pure natural love you will likely raise them certain way. But if you had those children because you felt that a less dark skin was better (even one small thought of it) you will likely raise them one way. I have met many mixed children and too many of the I am sad to say are racist white-supremacist. The ones whom I have deterimed to be racist white-supremacist put down darker people constantly. I am not dark or light I am in the middle, I can pass for Dominican, but I know I am not I know I am KMT/Black. Because of this I have observed their behavior in great detail. So again I say It depends on why you have these children. 

Every Black person in America has some other ethnic makeup in them, why the focus on one parent being a different race?? How about ppl who have grandparents who are of other races or both parents having varied racial backgrounds while claiming African heritage? A lot of so called biracial folks look less mixed than those who have two black parents so what will they call themselves? This is disturbing to me when I read because as far as I am concerned you are black period because this evil culture has deemed you as such. We as Africans did not make this seperation it was forced upon us so now we must deal with the reality of what we have and we can not make it disappear just by will alone. Unfortunately for me I am already married to a "white" man and in my journey did not come across these types of beliefs since I am a chrisian. What should I do now? I do not know but this is for sure my kids are black, and so am I and they are familiar with their roots and live in a mostly black environment for their own well being. I am not sure where i fit in or where I should be with regards to support groups or boards such as these, but i come to learn and listen mostly and will never debate to the point of hostility or ill will as it is not productive. Question for mr. exotic, why are you on this board? Is it to see what they are saying so that you can attack or is it to learn?

I think, perhaps the terms race, racial, and multiracial need to be given a more concise definition... for increased ease of use. Because, what I think I'm reading here is that many people, on either side of the discussion, regard the African genome as the parental stock and birthplace of all other human colors and types (and rightly so). So, where then does that correctly position the issue called race? Who then is really separate?


race      /reɪs/ –noun
1.   a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.   a population so related.
3.   Anthropology.
a.   any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.   an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.   a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4.   a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5.   any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6.   the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7.   Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8.   a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9.   any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.
10.   the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.
–adjective
11.   of or pertaining to the races of humankind.
[Origin: 1490–1500; < F < It razza, of obscure orig.]

—Synonyms 1. tribe, clan, family, stock, line, breed. Race, people, nation are terms for a large body of persons who may be thought of as a unit because of common characteristics. In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race. In reference to classifying the human species, race is now under dispute among modern biologists and anthropologists. Some feel that the term has no biological validity; others use it to specify only a partially isolated reproductive population whose members share a considerable degree of genetic similarity. In certain broader or less technical senses race is sometimes used interchangeably with people. People refers to a body of persons united usually by common interests, ideals, or culture but sometimes also by a common history, language, or ethnic character: We are one people; the peoples of the world; the Swedish people. Nation refers to a body of persons living under an organized government or rule, occupying a defined area, and acting as a unit in matters of peace and war: the English nation.
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Not the best source, but currently the quickest.

The term itself is one steeped in and raised out of separatist ideals and, as with all of constructs this nature, truly holds no hope for Umoja (Unity). Where now, and in which direction do we go? How does our being brothers, cousins, or relatives, though removed by land mass, expanse of sea or area, render one separate or an entirely different race?

I feel what we are dealing with here is an unresolved hatred for previous and present grievances, which were not atoned for and thus not forgiven. But I could be wrong. Many people may be harboring these feelings for much more sinister reasons. Vengeance, retribution and revenge are just a couple possibilities.

Let us not become the generation spoken so lowly of by the ancient sages and seers. Let us instead release the bonds of hatred that we have imposed upon ourselves and one another. This, current version of multiculturalism that we have erected is constraining and allows no room for growth or development. If this at this crucial moment we allow the situation to remain the same, and we cannot be relied upon for our own collective welfares, which other avenues or sources of help shall we turn to?

Quite right. I agree with this statement.
The whole idea of "race" was to justify certain acts and behaviours, profiling.
I'm not bugged by "multiracial" children. Intrigued is the word.

Greetings Maya
My views are not always greeted with the Love that their posted with.InI am PRO HUMANITY !!! Without apology. And it is InI belief [I am not forcing it on any one] that children of mixed culture are NOT HALF CAISTE/MONGREL/HALFBREED. Remember 2 halves make a whole, whole head, whole heart, whole body. And I stand by I belief that we are all equal . If we are living life with a clean heart with out  being RACIST/OPPRESSIVE/DISCOURAGING/INSULTING/DEGRADING /ABUSIVE to another person then no WHITE/BLACK person can make I believe any different. Our past is real and an unforgivable fact of life. I believe if you have children of dual heritage they have the right to be told the whole truth of their ancestory [both sides] InI know alot of white womban who cannot educate their children on their  Forefathers past, and again I know a lot of Black womban who are just the same. All children are a Blessing, from they are loved and brought up with the knowledge of their origins, know how to treat people raspectfully with out prejudice, The colour of their skin SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ,Look at some of the great Dual Heritage singers boxers, Late Great Bob Marley, MOHAMMED ALI. Children of all nations need to be brought up with love for all humanity if we want the world to be a better place. There is NO ROOM IN A CHILDS LIFE FOR WHITE/BLACK SUPREMACY
Love and Raspect
Empress I

There is no room in any child's life for anything except love.

Greetings to all....love and respect

I'm fairly new on this forum and must say that it saddens that there were so many negatives vibes regarding this topic.

But I have to agree with Bantu Kelani - though I respect all views. I'm not for any supremacy, black or white...but as a dark-skinned woman, I must say that more light-skinned people are more accepted by society than we are. Even by our so-called brothers. I experience this almost all the time. We are constantly told, "I would love to have light-skinned woman with long straight hair, that wears make-up to "appreciate" herself". To me that sounds like their desire is actually a white woman, they just didn't get a chance to be with one. So a light-skinned woman is as good as it gets...which is really sad...I've come to realisation that I should put my race first, dark-skinned kinky-hair people first. Surely I do not a problem with multi-racial children, it's their fault.

I think Maya and Exotic misunderstood Bantu comments.

For Maya
If you claim to be as conscious as you are, you in your right mind wouldnt have even thought of creating these kids (even out of love), knowing the perception of society we live in. At the end of the day, much as we may not like to admit it - it always boils down to COLORISM.


I'm South African, and believe you me, in this so-called, democratic rainbow nation, the blacks in our own land, are still considered the inferior race with the barbaric behaviour. People don't respect our culture or traditions, even blacks - the educated ones. So what have our leaders done for us...white people are richer thatn ever, politicians are looking out for their own "race" - other politians. Here there is no such thing as Pan-Africanism - it every man for himself. As blacks I believe we should stick together. Any child of more than one race descent who embraces their blackness, i respect that and most of all, appreciate it.

One thing that white or "mixed race" peopleon this forum should remember this was initially for blacks unheard cries. For so many years, we've been kicked down and told how to react to the kick. To top it all off we are supposed to overstand other peoples sufferings and ignore ours. Now that is uncalled for.

Peace
Keneilwe

What Pure Race truly exsists?  We are all of mixed blood!