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Cincinnati, OH (BlackNews.com) - Recently, at the University of Cincinnati, a group of white students referred to as the National Alliance posted flyers on campus that target African-American students.

The flyers read "Don't Have Sex With Blacks - Avoid AIDS". The flyer was seen all over campus, and was even featured in the school newspaper as an advertisement.

Erika Guice, a Black student at the University, comments, "I saw the flyer and not only were we embarrassed, but we were devastated at why would our school would allow this to be posted in the newspaper."

"We feel that our school, whom we pay a high tuition to every quarter, does not appreciate the Black students who attend this University," Guice continues.

National Alliance is an on-campus group of white students that attend the University of Cincinnati, and are known for their racist teacings and messages.

Black students at the University say that campus administration is well aware of the group, and does nothing about them. In fact, one white staff member said that "everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and can post their messages freely on campus."

This is not the first for the city of Cincinnati, which has had a terrible record of police brutality against Blacks.

"We need change," comments Guice. "Change has to come from somewhere and I believe that if one person can't stand for what they believe in, then no one ever will."


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I’m not trying to fan flames here but I’m not offended by this post… choosing sex with white men/woman is selling out anyway. I think most of us blacks are too busy in interracial dating instead of holding dear to our hearts BLACK NATIONALISM. So ultimately most of us are being destroyed by sexual transmitting diseases which grew shockingly since we have been colonized by whites. Africa and its people rely on medical services from the West. They don't distribute, or educate anyone about it – whites caused the spread of HIV/AIDS. Black people need to wake up!!!

B.K

If more HIV/AIDS infected Blacks in America or in South Afrika were having more sex with whites and infecting them with the deadly virus, I think more would have been done to check the spread of AIDS among the world's poor.

Maybe we need to weaponized the HIV/AIDS virus and send out sexual terrorists into the west, to start infecting their kids, mothers, fathers, teachers, doctors, businessmen, traders etc. Then maybe they'd start massive measures to disallow interracial sex between whites and Blacks---as a precaution.

AIDS is a weapon as well as a deadly disease. We can keep dying off quietly and hope for remedies and redemptions that will never come. Or we can choose to die fighting and kicking. If the AIDS sufferers in South Afrika for instance, were having more sex with the whites down there and infecting them with the virus, not only would there be retro-viral drugs available within a short time, but those with the power would start using their power to fight the disease.

I'm serious! If I get the disease, don't expect me to die off quietly. For when the war for self-preservance fails, mutual-destruction becomes the only option---that's what I've learnt so far from my white teachers,and from my white rulers in power. This is why the atomic bomb was invented.

Peace N Love, or War N Peace?

Well said!

If I am plagued with HIV/AIDS I would have to sleep with white men. [smiley=smartass.gif]

B.K

Yeah and those white men you infect would turn around and infect some more Black women.
"Sexual terrorism"? Are we on some Eldridge Cleaver ish here?
If I had AIDS I would try to take out some big politicians or business leaders, snipe em and go out in a hail of bullets since I'd be dying anyway. Not infecting some random white women.
We should adopt every tactic we observe the white man dem using? What will separate us from them at the end of the day in that case?
My fists and feet and extensions thereof like guns, knives etc. are weapons. My penis is not a weapon, it is an instrument of creation and pleasure. I would never let babylon society make me distort me lolo into a weaon of mass destruction, it is an instrument of creation.
BUT I could still see where y'all are coming from. So much a we dying and suffering every day, while so much a dem maxing and relaxing.
I think there's a fine line of moral behavior that you just don't cross though. Obviously a totally non violent pacifist is gonna get slaughtered going up against these people, violence is most definitely going to have to be a part of any real change in the system, not the main part but a part. But to me that doesn't mean we go ahead and become just as nasty devious and immoral as the white man (speaking in general), we must always retain the moral high ground IMO.
I have an uncle who died of AIDS by the way.
Oh and the National Alliance need to get shot in the head. All those guns in amerikkka, ain't none of em pointing in the right direction?

Hotep


Aids don’t kill, the medicines they give you to suppress your immune system kills.

Killing people because of my own mistake I wonder how much karma I will get from my actions

In the liberation fight for Algeria from French occupation Algerian women, acting as spies, had to sleep with the French colonialist to get information from them so that the rebels could plan their attacks and defenses properly. They were honored for their efforts(no matter how conventionally immoral their efforts would have been viewed in peace time), because without the information they got, the rebel attacks and defenses wouldn't have been successful. Warfare is an MF. ANd these were muslim women(not that Islam has any higher moral standard than any other religion, but you get my point) IMO if we hold on to conventional moral standards during the revolution we are screwed. If you are wrestling with pigs, you can't expect not to roll around in the mudd and still win. But that's just my opinion.

BTW, if we get organized and mobilized to the point of revolution. I can be 100% healthy and have no problem picking up a gun. Lone gunman only kill 1 head of the hydra. Another head will grow in it's place. If it isn't a systematic attack, it's a spontaneous revolt, not revolution, and therfore there is usually no qualitative leap or change. But I agree with your statement about the guns facing the wrong way in Amerikkka. Maybe if you are referring to independant cells...

I predict a surge of COINTELPRO types coming on, not like  they aren't already reading...

Peace, but justice first. By any means necessary.

Whites are killing my people with criminal foreign policy in Africa that's evil. Blacks have the highest rates of this deadly plague HIV/AIDS. The West doesn't mask it there's NO priority for us, HIV/AIDS is under-funded in Africa it’s inexcusable! Why shouldn’t I do the same like the whites killing white people?  Maybe it’s about time we have the cowboy mentality, poisoned with AIDS we [censored] whites and ask later, there are so many collateral deaths possible in the West. Terrorists kill people, if we fight we shoot, or I should say we [censored]. If am poisoned with AIDS I wouldn't give a damn.

B.K

Revolution is more then just black against white life has no colours?

Every day we are in a battle against our conscious, against spirits who every day try our will.

Revenge is not negative our teacher tells us.

For example if a snake bites you wiles you are walking through the bushes you can kill that snake because it had no rights to strike you, you will be taking revenge right there and then.

If you run away and come back three days later to finds that same snake to kill, that’s not revenge you may even kill the wrong animal.

You have the right to take revenge at the moment the act is being committed.



Cleopatra also slept with Mark Anthony to save her kingdom that’s why I know that Cleopatra could not have been a Bantu. She broke an unbreakable Bantu law do not procreate with anyone outside of your genes.    

Nubians have to come together in one house before we even think about opening the door to go and strike.

but time is running out

True, but what about a revolution against a world system built on supporting and maintaining white/European/Western supremacy?  The value placed on life has been colour categorized by the enemy.



Are not acts being comitted this very moment against African people? You don't think they have stopped and are in the past do you?




I agree that organization and unity are prerequisites to revolution, but the enemy is in our house...we don't have to open any door to strike.

Malcom X SAID and I believe it, that once we had awakened to white racism and what they had done to us and our ancestors: slavery, colonization, Jim crow, lynching, discrimination, police brutality, bioterrorism, etc. ANGER would be the intelligent response. Yes, anger with intelligent revolutionary action is the proper response. But YOU are probably one of the weakest presentations of African anger. You obviously have "affection" for the Caucasian race you do a d@m good job at showing it. You are boring. I hate to say it, but you follow the habits of the highly effective house Negroes. Your poor representation of African Nationalism disrespect my intelligence to the point I am compelled to be disrespectful to you in reply.

B.K

Hotep


Ashun auset

Are not acts being comitted this very moment against African people? You don't think they have stopped and are in the past do you?



Jemba

I never said anything about forgiveness there is no such thing as forgiving, everyone faces there punishment according to their appointed time.

There is a spiritual war that is going on right now and afrikans are on the winning side
Not everyone lives through war. Ask Chinese men to kill his own brother or sister they won’t, but Nubians are in Afrika killing Nubians people just don’t die for no reasons.


Ashun auset

True, but what about a revolution against a world system built on supporting and maintaining white/European/Western supremacy?  The value placed on life has been colour categorized by the enemy.  


Jemba

There is only one people who are ready for a revolution right know and it’s not the Nubians. Nubians must have a spiritual revolution first anyway going up against the European with guns would be a suicide we have to play there games.




Ashun Auset

I agree that organization and unity are prerequisites to revolution, but the enemy is in our house...we don't have to open any door to strike.



Jemba
As long as we keep on taking from them they will take from us, that’s the laws there wickedly smart. How many Nubians are on welfare? How many are employed by them? How man leave there lands to get free education in Europe
Our nation is leaching on theirs so they just leach back.

Soon this earth will be cleansed the most high doesn’t favour any colours, you’re my brother or sister by the life that you live not because of you skin colour.

The earth used to be a paradise and its going to return to how it was.

 
It shocks me how much you are a fool! You [censored] expect our peoples to love whites, and not feel ANGRY in full crime foreign policy and killing they are imposing on us?  OK my friend that makes you a race traitor! It's funny you call Africans "Nubians," how do you call white people the big boss men??????? You sure are comical…

B.K

You said...

"You have the right to take revenge at the moment the act is being committed."

Well, the acts are BEING commited at this very moment. So therefore we have the right not only for revenge, but to defend ouselves from future 'acts'.




You  must not know the history of China too well.




lol...tell that one to the Iraqi insurgents. Who's winning that "gin battle". We aren't ready for revolution....yet. But an organized people with a commen aim is an amazing thing.





Uhmmm... I could have sworn that Africans were the one's colonized and enslaved. I can't remember too many continental Africans on welfare. I think maybe you are confused on what is "home base". I was talking about revolution in Africa, not Amerikkka. Although Africans in AMerikka are a part of the African nation...or course. The European imperialists are vampires.  IMO continental Africans in the West are largely economic refugees. The economic crisises in their subsequent African contries of origin are created by neo-colonialism and imperialism. Us 'leaches'... I don't think so... Although I do think we need to learn to live without European goods.




Now you sound like a X-tian waiting on a savior to change our condition. It's up to us.

FYI It's Oshun Auset.

Hotep


Like I said I am past the hate because I know the truth but that is how I begun my path to research.


Sorry about the mistake with you name
Oshun auset


Now you sound like a X-tian waiting on a savior to change our condition. It's up to us.


Jemba

I am just quoting what we call Armageddon which was not from the bible.
If the world is alive do we seriously think it will let us carry on with this destruction and we can’t say we Nubians have nothing to do with it?


Oshun auset

Uhmmm... I could have sworn that Africans were the one's colonized and enslaved. I can't remember too many continental Africans on welfare. I think maybe you are confused on what is "home base". I was talking about revolution in Africa, not Amerikkka. Although Africans in AMerikka are a part of the African nation...or course. The European imperialists are vampires.  IMO continental Africans in the West are largely economic refugees. The economic crisises in their subsequent African contries of origin are created by neo-colonialism and imperialism. Us 'leaches'... I don't think so... Although I do think we need to learn to live without European goods.  


Jemba

The European leaders are very smart and devious, what ever we Nubians take us individuals they charge it to our accounts it doesn’t matter if you was born in amerikkka or Asia what ever whether its our presidents or our governments or individually they run it to our accounts.

The day we do take back our lands and demand reparations for stolen materials they will show us a very hefty bill.

For an example if I had 1$ and I gave it to a friend because he was in need of help, if this friend does not pay me back then I can carry on taking from him as long as I want that’s within the natural laws, never have debts of any sort not even from family or friends.


Oshun auset

You must not know the history of China too well.  

Jemba

I don’t know a lot of their history but I know the Europeans tried to enslave their minds and destroy their ways of life.

Did they succeed?


Oshun auset


Well, the acts are BEING commited at this very moment. So therefore we have the right not only for revenge, but to defend ouselves from future 'acts'.


Jemba


Right now if we wanted revenge we will have to kill many of our own not any European faces. When we say Europeans its not the average white men that’s goes to work to earn a minor salary is it.

We really think we will fight the big boss man with guns and suicide bombers, the Europeans don’t care about Iraq us if they did, we would see there true strength.

How did the Haitians run the French out of their land? Why did the Portuguese decide to leave the Congo by themselves without any retaliation?

If we really believe in our mysticism and way of life then we should respect our ancestor’s words. We don’t need to kill the innocents the fight is not with them for now at list.    

During the whole history of European Imperialism the acts of terror are the standard line. They do it, they justify it as bringing freedom and civilization to "savages." They are the worst killers in history, but if the victims of European Imperialism engage in political extremism and revolution to protect their interests they are the ones violent, criminal and aggressive, it has become so predictable..

Jemba you do not care, Europeans have been genetically engineering biological weapon that are resistant to any vaccine or treatments!!! Their microbiologists have been doing it under the pretext of protection against bioterrorism. This likely explain why black Africans have the highest rates of deadly plagues such as AIDS/HIV, but that continue to drop in every ethnic/racial community in the world. The West demonizes and imposes sanctions against other states of non-White Europeans, such as Iraq, that develop or hold stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons. Yet, the West has the world’s largest stockpile of smallpox, anthrax, and other biological weapons. Try to deny these facts!

And SINCE WHEN THE PORTUGUESE, THE FRENCH AND THE BELGIANS LEFT CONGO? Centuries passed, Congo is still the private purse of those European Imperialists. This well-known mighty land of resources: copper, gold, silver, diamonds, uranium, vast forests, fruits of all sorts, unbounded water, etc. is where the West has always been staging their greatest and most ruthless battles. The Pope and Portuguese Christians insulted all the aspects of Bantu culture! They based their colonization on utter racism and horror, monstrously worse than Hitler had done on Jews. Yet we don’t read about it, we don’t think about it, nobody writes about it. We Blacks are just allowed to leave standing in scenes of carnages, sweet face and doe eyes among those whom are armed gunned and leading undemocratic and authoritarian global institutions operating with impunity!

The knuckle head like you are the problem of the Black Race. Those who think like you Jemba hide it but serve White Supremacy that affect Black men and women that’s a big problem! You have shown what why you are here and I am not sure what you are. You are a backwards thinking traitor who can pass of white.

Now ignore me…………………it's how you like it. You just rave on and on with some dumb, sleazy and honorary punkazz whites from the premise of "We Are the World." And as far as I see, "brother," you espouse that BS in. And you are so proud, that's amazing!

B.K

The slaves of Haiti called on OGOUN to defeat the army of Napoleon remember that! Ogoun is the god of WAR in the Yoruba and Vodun pantheon. Ogoun is brute force, the power to defeat the enemies! He was of extreme importance for the welfare and behavior of our ancestors. But blatantly stupid, self-hating or loser negros converted to Christianity and became brainwashed, simply accepting physically and politically their own oppression!

You claim to be "very familiar" with the customs of our ancestors. Well, you know ZIP about the ideology, objective and program of the revolutionary struggle and the Haitian slave revolt! It’s easy to see why we should worship Ogoun to defend us form the unjust persecutions of our enemies. We must seek to FIGHT those who are here to take our pride and slaughter us and may Justice be done!  

B.K

Why do you think our ancestors welcomed the Europeans into their land because they knew the truth, just the same way we can summon the forces of nature to do our bidding so can the Europeans.

We don’t really think their that stupid do we they have been studying with us for many centuries we have given them many of our knowledge,  the Europeans took our knowledge they used it on us. We where responsible for their beginning and we are responsible for their actions in a way.

The reason we are destined to lead this world is because the karma is coming of our nation slowly, they will have a debt to us and humanity like we have had a debt to them and humanity we are paying that debt of even now. They had no right to take matters into their own hands and collect those debts forcefully but they did.


I do sound like I am rumbling on about peace and love but it also depends on who I am talking to, I don’t know if anyone will over stand me because I am coming from an angle they have never looked at before.

I am past the angry lost black men faze, we all have our place in existence and my place on this existence is with Nubian souls. Until I step up and go onto another existence or dimension on earth.




If we worship the deity of war then who is the most high?

Just like we have our place in existence so does the deity of war, he probably had to go through the same presses we do and he cleared the duties assigned to him and was given a higher position to help his people on a lower level.

We dont worship but give thanks the deitys of this realm are here to guide and serve us They laugh at how we have fallen.

The only being we can pray to is the most high and there was none before AMAKONGO.

 

I didn’t mean to hijack this thread debating off-topic a so-called conscious African whose given up on decent, revolutionary African Nationalism because he WANTS to consider white folks so much in a racist society and globe! He is not here even talking about AIDS a potent weapon dem use ravaging our population. It’s not a coincidence we keep having the same discussions with Jemba…


If our ancestors knew the biases, fascism and racism that exists in the Caucasian race they dealt with it wholly stupidly! You are an imbecile not smart when you don’t learn from your mistakes. Use logic!


Yea, right....you have no shame saying that. Like I say you are an excellent negro.


You raise your voice to generally degrade black people and cater to whites no shame.....that’s truly where you come from!


ANGRY LOST BLACK MEN....that’s okay... Proud Black types give a [censored] about housenegroism. It is mighty funny how you call us you have the potential to get paid by whites!!! Keep working hard for the European Imperialists you have the skillz.


Every deity is a particular spiritual energy of the Creator Source, do you know anything about traditional African religion? Surely you don’t. You generally say dumb things on traditional spirituality and you have no respect for adult brothers and sisters to decide their way of life… deliberately? Not trying to cover up how blatantly bigoted you are? And you are supposed to be a conscious Kongolese? (LOL)

B.K

kelani
Every deity is a particular spiritual energy of the Creator Source, do you know anything about traditional African religion? Surely you don't. You generally say dumb things on traditional spirituality and you have no respect for adult brothers and sisters to decide their way of life… deliberately? Not trying to cover up how blatantly bigoted you are? And you are supposed to be a conscious Kongolese? (LOL)


JEMBA

Can I ask you a passive question? When we first came into existence millions of years ago, where we need of a deity of war? Was this earth supposed to be place of peace or a paradise or did we inherit destruction and wars.
Why would we need a deity of war if we where deities once ourselves.

You should know that you have the ability to become deityfied ancestor yourself, the most highs energies works through everything including as even white folks.

The Europeans have helped us in a way we are in their land and we have a chance to study and take back what we have learned to our lands.
We continue on blaming what the Japanese now call a weaker race; we have the abilities to achieve what the chines and the Indians have achieved in a few decades but we just don’t have the discipline as a people, I have friends who refuse to go get a job because they have labelled the system racist or they refuse to interact with whites because of a few books they have read.


It’s about time we as a people drop this act and focus on what we have been given by the European and start changing things slowly, that’s why I am a fan of what dr malaki has done he understood you have to take away the freedom from them to give them discipline in exchange, when Nubians think for them selves they have a destructive mind. The situation in our land is very easy to solve we just need leaders who won’t sell out their own for more debts, leader who have a very dictator type regime.


When the kongolese where given independent by one of their own did they do anything with it. My dad and my uncles talk about the good old days no labour no organization just partying and boozing.  


You can’t keep on blaming the European for our own week habits.


Kelani

ANGRY LOST BLACK MEN....that's okay... Proud Black types give a [censored] about housenegroism. It is mighty funny how you call us you have the potential to get paid by whites!!! Keep working hard for the European Imperialists you have the skillz.  


Jemba

Don’t forget angry lost black women, like I have said before I don’t have a problem with the average working class Europeans, they work everyday to fuel the capitalism society but most don’t even know about the past, somebody was speaking about if they were diagnosed with HIV they would go around sleeping with the average white middle class working women just for revenge.
Believe me you, when you are received on the other side you will be shunned by your leaders for doing such an offensive act and severely punished, that’s not an act of war that’s an act of a vengeful person, if we wont to do some serious damage why don’t we all as a people get together one day and protest with one voice.

I forgot we don’t have one voice and I am sure it’s the Europeans fault “nah” even our so called black organizations can’t get together in one house that’s why I choose not to be involved with any movement not to do with my country from today on because the kongoles peoples fight is not with themselves we have no tribalism just a few problems to squash. You cant take on every problems in the worlds at once.

I don’t believe what they tell people in their meetings “education is worthless”

White this Caucasian that cracker this crackers that I guess they act like this because they have been raised by the Caucasians.

Lets look at it from their angle they came from a very cold place, no material no minerals no way of life, they where destined for extinction.

But they had patience and devised a long plan of concurrence, why cant we do that?

Because we act like we have learned nothing from them.

Revolution means nothing without spirituality you will only make the same ANGRY mistakes.


KELANI you don’t have any white friends do you?

Jemba,

I am a Bantu-Kongolese female, a very PRO-BLACK person. I don’t have white "friends." I have too much love for and knowledge of self!

I feel as if I’m talking to a stupid negro.... start addressing the white community drive to consciously repress the black community for its psychological and dominance needs in general and not just castigate black people as if they are the cause of the majority of their problems and you will be a lot more credible.....I think you are too far gone for me to be patient with you. I call an end to debate any issue with you.

B.K

I know what we have learned with from our fellow human beings HATRED.

Are you for real?



I detect alack of love or even high reguard for African people.
Do you honestly think this badly about us/yourself?



Are you serious? Easy tos olve?.. lol Weneed dicatators...lol
You have nolove for the masses...but you have the audacity to be scolding others about humanism.

Hotep or salam maleko

You both sound like suicide bombers!!



We have the internet where black people around the world can talk about the situations in there land that’s that is ONE of the many remarkable technology the so called CRACKERS have produced for humanity.

Yeah I am for real I see things from a bigger picture now thanks to there help? And so do you if you was born in Africa still starving and thinking about your next meal you would have no time to be involved in this so called revolution.
Be thankful you where not born in Somalia that’s. See this is what is wrong with our people who where raised by the Caucasian, why cant we just pretend to get along for our own advantages so much hate.

Nubians are dangerous without guidance and doctor malaki york proves this, look at what he has done with helpless bunch of people he has turned them into a force, if only every Nubian in amerikkka can join one organization instead of having other 1000, I know which one I would join.

The situation in our land is so easy to solve all we need is patience and allot of just take a look at the Japanese and chine’s, there the most racist people on earth but not in your face.

A dictator is a title some who dictates, someone who tells people what to do, every leader is a dictator from Malcolm x to Ghandi. Every spiritual leader is a dictator.
People can not be given free will the Caucasian play with their minds make them an agents<<<<<<A word that is so loved by revolutionaries.

Revolutionaries come and go but spirituality is not just for the black race but for all humanity, so was kem or kush or katiopha why do you think they called it land of the gods
Or Kongo dia tontela

What kind of role model are we if we tell (so called revolutionary) black people to spread aids if they are infected. That would be an act of selfishness from the so called revolutionaries and an act of hate from the person who tells them to commit that vile act.

These so called revolutionary black organizations should stop telling youths they learn nothing at schools. Every single one of my friends are hustling because they think to get an education and work for the system is pointless, because their being discouraged by organizations whose names I will not quote.

BELIEVE me there are higher forces then you and me I dont have the kind of power or will it takes to make a world bow down, maybe a country but not the world.

 


   


 

You are the anti thesis to self sufficient. I hope that "raised by the caucasion" is a euphemism for raped or enslaved. I define raised as a nurturing act, not an action that destroys a people.
You sound like a shucking and jiving a** nIgga, or a canaanite(sp). Either way your comments are ignorant and hypocritical.

Nobody can break your defence if you have your guards up, the afrikans continue to keep their guards down or do they even have a defence?

You have to ask yourself how many times have afrikans around the world have had the opportunities to put up a defence.

The afrikans around the world will not be given any more opportunities by the Caucasians, we have a chance to study with them and take what they have developed to make ourselves stronger in the future even if its 100 years later.

We won’t scare them by showing them that we hate them they know that already, they also know that afrkans are very predictable people because they think with their emotions.

The Japanese experienced Hiroshima but they continued to smile in their enemies faces until the day all their compatriots are ready to put up even a stronger defence.

Nubians don’t know what they really want and these so called revolutionary movements show our immaturity as a people.

Jemba, can you address one of my questions besides "Are you serios?" please?

Your psots are causing me to not take you seriousely...

Hotep


You never asked me any questions.

The europeans use to feud amongst themselves and their tribes, now they have managed to solidify there nation and they have a solid defence if you attack one you war against all.

The afrikans have so much tribal feuding going on amongst themselves in afrika whether its Christians against Muslims or just this tribe don’t like that tribe.
The brothers and sisters from the home land even bring their tribalism all the way to Europe.

I see the same feuding with the so called revolutionary groups to and I could give you some examples and you can’t blame this on the Europeans, even if they have raised us and programmed our minds not to be a threat. You think they would let this website run if black we actually posed a threat.

What they fear the most is our leaders, you will find that the leaders who actually where close to accomplishing some thing are in prison.

The Congolese people are maybe not clued on but they have one thing that I like about them, no matter what tribes they are from they call themselves Congolese first they it may sound as a shock but they don’t have any tribalism “country are you from” this is thanks to mobuto seseseko kiwazabamga.


Oshun auset you said that the people will defeat “the big boss” what coloured people are you speaking about? Or do you mean the human race?

If you do mean to say that the human race will one day defeat “the big boss” then why should a black person who has HIV go infect a white person with the disease instead of plotting for their own freedom?  Since that remark is what continues this conversation or topic.  

Jemba, the questions I asked are...

1: Are you for real?

Quote:when Nubians think for them selves they have a destructive mind.  

I detect alack of love or even high reguard for African people.
2: Do you honestly think this badly about us/yourself?  

Quote:I forgot we don't have one voice and I am sure it's the Europeans fault "nah" even our so called black organizations can't get together in one house that's why I choose not to be involved with any movement not to do with my country from today on because the kongoles peoples fight is not with themselves we have no tribalism just a few problems to squash. You cant take on every problems in the worlds at once.

I already adressed this.



Precisely why I am a Pan-Africanist. Continental Africans bring the ethnic and religious tensions/divisions(tribalism) and micro-nationalism to the U.S. too of course. Sometimes you are posting as if people don't know the BASICS on this site.



There is in fighting among SOME pro-African/Black organizations, but I have yet to see infighting among the revolutionary ones. In fact the revolutionary ones are theones who are constantly calling for an African United front...At least in the Amerikkkas. So please name names.

BTW  "they" let the websites run to monitor us. But the main work being done isn't on the iternet. This form of propoganda is helpful because it is accessable globally, but it isn't the ONLY form of propoganda. Most activities are done at the local, grass roots level.



Actually most are inprison or dead. They don't fear any leader... They fear organizers and mobolizers against the system.



The irradication of Ethnic tension is good(the same thing was done in Tanzania) but micro-nationalsim isn't a good thing either.



I mean African people in particular, oppressed and exploited people of colour in general, and exploited humnanity in general also. In that order of loyalty and priority. Before I can help my neighbor, my block, my city, or my nation-state, I must make sure MY HOME is in order. African people must help ourselves before we can worry about the rest of humanity. We won't even be strong enough or useful in anyone elses battle for lieration unless we are first liberated. Working towards the liberation of Africa and African people IS helping humanity(because we are a part of the human family) and it is the logical first step for anyone of African heritage.

I know 'One Lovers' tend to forget that without SELF LOVE you can love nobody else.



You are being decietful, or you are confused. Please point out where I said this? I entered the conversation stating that sex can be used as a weapon to get information in revolutionary war.  

Do you honestly think this badly about us/yourself?    
 

When the europeans killed lumunba the people let the same faces that killed him choose their next leader.

When Lauren desire kabila was murdered exactly the same thing happened again.

Our people are used to being led maybe the brothers and sister out of afrika have a different mentality Or do they?


Oshun ouset
So are you admitting you are part of the problem because you aren't even attempting to be part of the solution?




Jemba

Don’t forget what this topic was about and what you said at the beginning?

I don’t think killing people who are as dumb and blind as 80% of our people is what we need to do if we could.

Oshun ouset


In the liberation fight for Algeria from French occupation Algerian women, acting as spies, had to sleep with the French colonialist to get information from them so that the rebels could plan their attacks and defenses properly. They were honored for their efforts(no matter how conventionally immoral their efforts would have been viewed in peace time), because without the information they got, the rebel attacks and defenses wouldn't have been successful. Warfare is an MF. ANd these were muslim women(not that Islam has any higher moral standard than any other religion, but you get my point) IMO if we hold on to conventional moral standards during the revolution we are screwed. If you are wrestling with pigs, you can't expect not to roll around in the mudd and still win.

Jemba

Your opinion but is it really the right things to do or was it the last result of a bunch of savages.


The European take the word dictator and they make it into something evil, there is a difference between a bloods drinking killer infact and somebody who dictates the most highs is a dictator he/her self. Somebody who dictates or sets the law and then sets the example and follows them, that’s what I call a dictator.


Oshun_auset

The biggest spiritual leaders WERE and ARE revolutionaries. Including our ancestors.    


Jemba

Revolution is life


Oshun auset

So name names please.


Jemba

Uhuru

Oshun auset

There is in fighting among SOME pro-African/Black organizations, but I have yet to see infighting among the revolutionary ones. In fact the revolutionary ones are theones who are constantly calling for an African United front...At least in the Amerikkkas. So please name names.

Jemba

That’s the pan afrikans, other this side anyway its like everyone of them dislikes each other. The uhuru dislikes the policies of the new Black Panther and the pan afrikans dislike both the uhuru and the new black panther’s policies.

Oshun auset


The irradication of Ethnic tension is good(the same thing was done in Tanzania) but micro-nationalsim isn't a good thing either.  


Jemba

You need to learn some of our history then you would know why where such nationalist.


Oshun auset

You are being decietful, or you are confused. Please point out where I said this? I entered the conversation stating that sex can be used as a weapon to get information in revolutionary war.  


Jemba

Ifa  

Let?... or just were not organized enough to stop it from occuring



Nope, we all suffer from a lack o organization and ideological training.




I remembered what I said in the beginning...You didn't.

The Algerian women didn't sleep with, get information from, and sometimes kill the indoctrinated masses.




The result of a dehumanizing condition. I'll repeat... If you are wrestling with pigs, you can't expect not to roll around in the mudd and still win. Part of the reason we were infultrated in the first place is because we thought we were dealing with folk that respected basic morals. Oppressors and exploiters don't care about such things, so you cannot deal with them on that level.



Just admit you misused the word.



Non-responsive...




So that's not everybody now is it?



Funny, the Pan-Africans I know draw lines of solidarity with both the Panthers and the Uhuru movement. We may have ideological dissagreements behind closed doors, but never in the public when dealing with the enemy.




I have studied the Congo. I didn't ask you 'why'. I stated micro-nationalism isn't a good thing. Period. I understand why Congolese people are micro-nationalist, just like I understand why Africans in Amerikkka have the issues we have ect. and soforth with all African people and our issues and behaviors. That doesn't make the reasons excuses not to move forward. Or should we all just stay where we are at as a people?

You may need to know the history from the perspective of the people. You are too in-love with what leaders do. The PEOPLE make history... Not the elites...but they write the movements of the PEOPLE out of history.



Another non-response.

Please asnwer this question....

6: And we are going to do this without organizing huh? Or are you waiting for a savior. 7: Or are you the savior that's going to do it all by yourself?

You never adressed it.

Oshun auset

FYI the last time I tried to recruit people from Yorks group they told me that Continental Africans aren't like 'us'(disapora born Africans) and that "They don't like us anyway." They also now believe that they didn't end up here from the slave trade...So have fun with that VERY non-revolutionary group. They are caught up in 'religion' (not spirituality) to the point they have a saviour complex(York?)...So they 'might' look past the fact you were born in the Congo.  


Jemba


What they say is the Diaspora born nubians have no need to run back to afrika, they can bring a part of afrika where they are.
York also says the that the diaspora born nubians cant help the continental nubians yet they must help them selves first.


I agree and disagree with what he says

The Diaspora born Nubians need help from the Nubians who are still in afrika in fact, the Nubians who are still in afrika have a much easier job in their hands with taking back their people’s minds and their lands.

Only after we do this then we can open the gates for our brothers and sisters to visit or settle, because the average afrikan born Nubian has an inferiority complex
Since they admire the Europeans and live on their second hand outs.

What the nuwapians say about the afrikan born Nubians is true at list the ones who think that they are civilized because they are living in the cities.  



Ras kwam said

Maybe we need to weaponized the HIV/AIDS virus and send out sexual terrorists into the west, to start infecting their kids, mothers, fathers, teachers, doctors, businessmen, traders etc. Then maybe they'd start massive measures to disallow interracial sex between whites and Blacks---as a precaution.

AIDS is a weapon as well as a deadly disease. We can keep dying off quietly and hope for remedies and redemptions that will never come. Or we can choose to die fighting and kicking. If the AIDS sufferers in South Afrika for instance, were having more sex with the whites down there and infecting them with the virus, not only would there be retro-viral drugs available within a short time, but those with the power would start using their power to fight the disease.

I'm serious! If I get the disease, don't expect me to die off quietly. For when the war for self-preservance fails, mutual-destruction becomes the only option---that's what I've learnt so far from my white teachers,and from my white rulers in power. This is why the atomic bomb was invented.




Oshun auset said

If you are wrestling with pigs, you can't expect not to roll around in the mudd and still win. Part of the reason we were infultrated in the first place is because we thought we were dealing with folk that respected basic morals. Oppressors and exploiters don't care about such things, so you cannot deal with them on that level.


Jemba


Brother Ras kwam said something I just had to disagree with and oshun auset you backed what he said I don’t know if Bantu kelani did to.

But I completely disagree with that way of doing things it insane and even worse then what a suicide bomber would do.







Oshu auset

And we are going to do this without organizing huh?

Or are you waiting for a saviour?

Or are you the savior that's going to do it all by yourself?  
 

Jemba

Organizing who the brothers and sisters from the home land or the brothers and sisters from the west?

I believe we must all start working on land or places that we familiar with and then we can put all our work together if we aim for the same goal, but I cant be involved with any of the so called revolutionary groups.

I am part of a movement that’s working on the liberation of kongo first and then we can work on defending our mother land with our brothers and sisters.

I have learned allot from other Nubian associations but they need to show more of that one’s they all speak about.  

PEACE
AIDS is very curable....