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SCIENCE, SOCIOLOGY, RELIGION => Spirituality => Topic started by: preach on December 09, 2004, 02:34:24 AM

Title: Belief
Post by: preach on December 09, 2004, 02:34:24 AM
Is it, or should it be a sin to not believe in god?

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on December 09, 2004, 05:15:46 AM
This thread should be in the "Spirituality" or "Mainstream Religion" forums no? Anyways.. You are a child of the Supreme Essence because you live. Therefore knowing it or not you are aligned to the Divine Essence of the cosmos. You can wish you had the blinders on, but life still makes it crystal clear of the unconditional beingness of the Creator Source pure and simple. Anything else complicated is religious arrogance.


Title: Re: Belief
Post by: House_of_Ra-sta on December 09, 2004, 11:34:45 PM
Bantu said a good thing.Also, if u want to KNOW and not believe in "god", u have to KNOWURSELF.learn about the LAWS of Mama Nature and u will find it....

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: Kwaku Bendele aka Chosen on December 10, 2004, 12:38:20 PM
I'm just starting to get into Yoruba, I have no problem with praying and talking to my ancestors, however I am finding dificulty when it comes to the Creator, Growing up christian you are taught to believe you cannot come to the Creator except through Christ this is wherein my difficulties lie

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: preach on December 10, 2004, 11:58:45 PM
I have known atheists with moral standards way higher than most people with religious or spiritual affiliations. Their desire to be righteous, compassionate and upstanding is not motivated by fear of punishment, it is genuine. It is almost as if by not believing in god they are actually closer and more spiritual. They are free of the crutch affectionately known as religion/spirituality.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: preach on December 16, 2004, 01:20:54 PM
  We know that it is a matter of association and sympathy, not reasoning and examination;that hardly a man in the world has an opinion upoun morals, politics or religion which he got otherwise than through his associations and sympathies.

       Mark Twain


Title: Re: Belief
Post by: Empress_Zauditu_Ariel-YAH on March 01, 2005, 11:30:35 PM
Sin or not, it is your free will to beleive or not.  Whether it is a sin or not should not change your views on the matter.  Because if you do not believe, then what is sin to you?  If you do believe, then you don't have to worry about commiting that sin.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: natural blacks on March 03, 2005, 07:05:53 AM
The term sin was created by man to instill guilt in InI and to by this control InI thoughts and actions. It's because of "sin" why so many people are afraid to voice their opinions and own individual thought...they fear "sinning" and being condemed to hell.

There's no sin, there's merely right and wrong.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: Empress_Zauditu_Ariel-YAH on March 03, 2005, 08:06:49 AM
If there is no sin and only right and wrong, then would it be possible to look at "sin" as another term, a synonym of wrong?  Or does the "sin" that you say man created, incompass more than just doing, and/or thinking wrong?  Better understand of this point of view, of man created sin for guilt, is desired by I Empress.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: natural blacks on March 03, 2005, 09:23:40 AM
"Wrong" is wrong based upon our own inherent conscience. Sin is wrong committed against some supreme being that will ultimately bear some penalty. Sin as it is defined is to disobey the word/wishes of "God".

There will always be right and wrong, and we'll always do right and wrong. But we shouldn't feel guilty about it, we should learn from it (wrong). Guilt lends itself to lower self-esteem.

The term sin was created to make people feel ashamed of doing anything outside what has been laid down by those before them. To let them feel guilty for disobeying some Divine Creator.

Example: In my own conscience I see nothing wrong with premarital sex, but it is a "sin" to have sex outside of marriage.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

My 2 cents. Blessed Love.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: preach on March 03, 2005, 12:48:49 PM
Wonderful reasoning Mystic Man. Alot of what is considered sin is not divinely implemented or against the laws of nature, it may be a culture extract or a controlled conflict to keep the masses in check.  Sin or the fear of punishment does hinder us at times.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: alkebu-man on March 08, 2005, 07:49:48 PM
instilling fear is one of the greatest means of mind control,i say lets break the barriers and take one step with knowledge and explore the realities.stay in tune with nature as much as you could and trample the illusions.

Title: Belief
Post by: jemba on March 09, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
There is no sinning!! Every individual have their own karma and every race have a collective karma. You gain karma by breaking natural laws or maat and you clear your karma with right knowledge and living.

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: QitQat on March 15, 2005, 02:10:19 AM
It seems to me that jemba summed it up perfectly with this:  

" clear your karma with right knowledge and living."

The concept of sin is just another control tactic of the money traders/conquerors/slave drivers that introduced the idea to the masses in the first place.  

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: preach on March 16, 2005, 02:20:44 AM
Peace Qit Qat. Could sin then be a tactic by god to keep believers righteous?

Title: Re: Belief
Post by: QueenJerusalem on March 16, 2005, 04:11:25 AM
Greetings and love,
You really believe that every race has a collective Karma? Could you explain this concept for me? I find it very hard to swallow, surely race plays no part in determining whether you are a good or bad person: only Jah knows our hearts. 'Not every black man is my brother, not every white man is my enemy' Maybe I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here so could you elaborate?


Title: Re: Belief
Post by: Rootsie on March 16, 2005, 05:04:58 AM
We can call it collective karma or not, but the issue is that whites are born into a situation where we receive privilege based solely on our skin tone and directly benefit from centuries of injustice done to non-white peoples with no end in sight.

To respond simply that "JAH sees no color" is not adequate if we are concerned at all with the situation as it stands now in the world, and not if we are interested in our own spiritual development.

Aligning with a movement initiated by black people in behalf of black identity and black self-definition in the face of vicious racism, and then scolding blacks for bringing up the uncomfortable issue of race, is pretty silly. I don't care what race or ethnicity, anybody who embraces "Rasta" has to engage with race and history. Claiming "One Love" is just naive empty words otherwise, and in fact serves to delay the necessary process whites have to undergo to reclaim their humanity in the face of continuing holocaust.

And how do we know what "JAH" sees or not anyway? How is it possible that the force which set into being all that is would not "see" what humans see?


Title: Belief
Post by: jemba on March 16, 2005, 07:22:55 AM
Bless sister
To Queen Jerusalem

Just like human life is created so are our souls, the energy was already there but it just needed to be given is its own personality or history or experiences. We each have our own souls like a floppy disk with our own records of the past, our souls also have genders there are female and male souls. If you was born black or a Nubian the first time you came to this earth then you are a Nubian soul and those who where born with you will also be on the same group file, or group as you are and you are given rules to follow as an individual soul and as a group. So when you are breaking the law as an individual you gain your own individual karma its recorded into the individuals file. When your group breaks the laws as a group it is registered into the group file.
When your race is conquering and murdering and stilling from other group and everyone is taking part by condoning the law breaking the whole group file must repay their debts by karma.