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Mojuba Olodumare, mojuba Egungun, mojuba Egun!

Alafia,

The home of what is reveered through the eyes of a Puerto-Rican priest of Sango.

Odabo.
http://www.irunmole.org/gallery.html (http://www.irunmole.org/gallery.html)

Ifa

(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/OpenGrove.jpg)  
A Baba Bode with Osun Ifa
Opening the
Ifa Grove in Osogbo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Itefa27LR.jpg)  
Ifadoyin leaving the Ifa Grove
after his Itefa in Osogbo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/OsunIfa.jpg)  
Osun Ifa
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/BabaEbo.jpg)  
Chief Kayode Faniyi
performing ebo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/EboItefa.jpg)  
Babalawo Bode
over ebo after Itefa
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/OjubonaDafa.jpg)  
The Ojugbona of Osogbo Land
divining with Ikin Ifa
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/ArabaOsogbo.jpg)  
The current Araba of Osogbo Land,
Chief Fagbemi Onidfade, joined by the Agbongbon Awo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/IfaDrummers.jpg)  
Ifa drummers drumming as new awos
are presented to the community

Orisa

(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/SangoSingers.jpg)  
Priestess' from Osogbo, Ede and Oyo
chanting Sango Pipe
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/SangoPriests.jpg)  
Young Sango Priests
from Oyo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/SangoMounted.jpg)  
A mount of Sango possesed
by the Orisa
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/IleObatala.jpg)  
Baba Kayode Faniyi with
Priests of Obatala in front of the
Ile Obatala in Idita-Ile Ife
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Iya&BabaOsun.jpg)  
The Iya Osun and
Aworo Osun (who is also a well known babalawo) leading the Osun Festival in Osogbo
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/OkePriest.jpg)  
A priest of Oke performing services
at the Oke Shrine
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/OyaPriest.jpg)  
A priest of Oya from Ogun State
leading other priest in dances for Oya
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Adebisi.jpg)  
Chief Adebisi Akanji - an Osun Priest and the Oluwo Ataoja of the Ogboni house (iledi) Ohuntoto, visiting with Candomble preistess' at The Carribean Cultrual Center in New York City
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Bata.jpg)  
Bata Drummers from Oyo
Playing for Sango

Egungun

(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Egungun1.jpg)  
Egungun Dancers
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Egungun2.jpg)  
Egungun Dancers
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Egungun3.jpg)  
Egungun Sango Dancer
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Egungun4.jpg)  
Egungun Dancers

Shrines

(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/ileifaosogbo.jpg)  
Ile Ifa in Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/ileifaosogbo2.jpg)  
Entrance to Ile Ifa in Osogbo,
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/ileifaoketase.jpg)  
Baba Aikulola at the entrance to Ile Ifa in
Oketase Ile Ife
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/esushrine.jpg)  
Faniyi compound Esu Shrine
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/osunshrinepalace.jpg)  
Iya Osun attending the
Osun Shrine in the Palace
Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/Osun6.jpg)  
Fadoyin praying to Osun in the Osun Grove
Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/osunriver.jpg)  
Osun Riving running through in the Osun Grove
Osogbo, Osun State, Nigeria
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/AsorinShrine.jpg)  
Chief Kayode Faniyi at the Igi Nla
Tree Shrine in Iwara Town
(http://www.irunmole.org/Photos/okeshrine2.jpg)  
Oke Shrine in Iwo

Nice pictures.

Not to be disrespectful but we us Africans need to modernise our way of life and to blend old with the new. Science can’t be ignored we are scientist by blood and nature

Ifa divination is based on the same binary system used by computers. Western seperation of spirituality and science is dangerous, and is one of the many things  at the root of our environmental problems. What do you mean by 'modernizing' anyhow? Do you mean urbanize, westernize,  or what exactly?

Living with nature instead of trying to dominate it to the point of self destruction isn't something to be encouraged if that is what you mean.

BTW, since when haven't practitioners of traditional indigenous religions refused to incorporate the best of the new with the old?

I think you may be ignoring or ignorant of the science behind African spirituality. If you are not, why would you make such a statement?

Hotep sister auset



Even if the Europeans are destroying nature, the world won’t die now and just like you said we need to take what we need from the Europeans and blend with ours.
Just spirituality alone won’t create a nation we need Nubian politics and Nubian science and that’s what the deities are there for.

Caucasians like to think TRADITIONAL AFRICAN RELIGION against SCIENCE. It's a WHITE SUPREMACY MENTALITY TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO: Not dealing with the health of humans, animals, or plants of indigenous cultures and the world environmental problems.

Jemba has so much love for the WHITE COMMUNITY. Oshun-Auset, think about it...

B.K

The world recycles itself every time we destroy it and we have done that many times, this is not the only race that have harmed themselves and nature, the forces which we call evil have been in existence for a very long time.

This world has a rule the strongest survive the Europeans took our knowledge and made them selves conquerors in order to accumulate more material and knowledge to take us down all this while we where living in peace and not progressing.

Are you serious?

What inertia was preventing our progression Jemba?

I could have sworn that change is the only thing that is constant.

Only the colonialists, and those that believe their lies, want others to believe that we(and all other people they colonized) weren't "progressing".

Pure rubbish IMO.

Hotep


Like we agreed on one thing we need to take what is good for us from the Europeans and fuse it with our knowledge. Afrikans need what the Europeans have to offer development and science. We can’t explain how nature works without science and nature is our way of life. We need their way of life us much as they need ours. They have materialistic way of life with constant development, the Europeans evaluates everything with science even spirituality. We have a very high moral guide because of our way of life and they have a moral crisis.

That is my point of view anyway.    



Black have allot to take from whites and whites have allot to learn from blacks

The problem I have with what you are saying is that you are giving scientific credit to Europeans or European culture where it is not deserved or warranted. I said taking the best of the old and thenew. You automatically characterized 'the old' as African,and the 'new' as European. Much of what they know/have developed comes from us...and I'm not just talking about ancient African sciencecfrom KMT ect.. Most technological 'advances' have come from the efforts of various peoples in the 'west', including Africans, not just Europeans...but it is credited to them/their civilization because they are the ones benefitting from such advancesbecause they are the oppressors. This is without even mentioning the fact that all technological advances in the West have been financed off of the sweat and blood of the Black and Brown masses. If we were left undusturbed and unmolested we would have developed also, abeit differently...probably more in tune with natures cycles. But we would have developed, because they are not superior to us, and their culture is not superior to ours. We did not need their incursion to move forward. Our development was interupted.

You have written things like "they did us a favour" and that "we were not progressing". This shows a subconscious beleif that we needed to be colonized/enslaved and it was a "good thing"on your part. Which means you think we are either sub-human(since the natural laws of movement and change must not affect us unlike others) or at least sub-European. That concept is bogus....And hateful.

A.S.I.A ( All Started In Afrika )
There are creators, then there are innovators. And when I say innovators, I am speaking of those who make changes, alter and modernize not necessarily for the betterment. The Great Innovators actually divide, conquer, and destroy creation. The pyramids still amaze all scientist.

It’s the truth that we as a people should be given credit but we are not going to be given any credit from the past. What we did in the past they have managed to better in the present.

The Europeans have been given their chance to rule but they didn’t respect the laws and so the star that governs all the stars is going somewhere else.
We have to get organized but under one name with one goal and one leader.



That leader is coming but we don’t suppose to wait for anyone
We must pave our own way.

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What improvements have they made? Look at the economic, spiritual, mental and physical state of the world as a whole and I dare you to make such a comment.

The Caucasians technology is made from their point of view from their minds or the mind set they have given to others.

Being one with nature is a good thing but nature doesn’t tell us not to make guns if you have the knowledge of how to make guns.

Nature doesn’t tell us that we have to keep on making ships out of wood; to make everyone bow down to your nation is no joke. You need to be constantly changing and advancing and the Europeans just showed more hunger then the rest.

Nobody likes where their taking the future but who can stop them but the almighty him/her self.

I am not suggesting afrikans copy their mistakes just their positive aspects.

The PEOPLE. It's just a question of when.

Or do you think the European/White folks are Gods?

The people meaning humanity or just the black people

A similar question was posed by you in another thread. It applies here also so I will just copy and paste.

Jemba
 


Oshun Auset

I still think Nubians are responsible for their own past and present.

I also think we where not competing with time and we let our guards down and the Europeans took the opportunity and broke us down.

We cant blame them for that it’s a dog eat dog world.    

We have a spiritual need and our physical needs if you give to much to one of the two there is an imbalance.

We where definitely ignoring our materialistic needs, the body and the spirit are one but they both need different food and care.  
 

Although this particular priest is Puerto-Rican, the temple represented in this site and thread follows Ifa as its taught in Ile Ife, Nigeria. It follows strict Afrikan protocol, as opposed to a diasporan system, like Lucumi or Santeria.