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Homosexuality is against nature, people who practice homosexuality are hurting their souls because society does not accept homosexuality. I understand why people would be offended with my reasoning because some people might have lesbian or gay friends the world lets people in society do as they please because there is no longer natural laws. We all know the type of society the Europeans encourages. If homosexuality is natural then so is paedophilia and we should all let Michael Jackson do as he pleases that’s if he does do it?
If homosexuality is natural then so are mixed marriages
(to people who say that homosexuality is natural) why is it only human beings that show this blatant disrespect of all natural laws, that even animals respect with their very lesser intelligence. We can’t develop that attitude of just saying (if it’s happening then its meant to be) human being has committed every insult to nature you can think of. Nature still gives us its love and even continues to respect us. Nature only asks us to respect the laws that even she has to respects. Who are we to break them?
Animals are closer to nature then humans, has anyone ever seen a wild animal giving birth to a handicapped offspring.  

Your reasoning is ignorant. Animals can give birth to deformed or handicapped offspring. The difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is the latter is a fondness for children that involves molestation and abuse. If you do some research you will learn that homosexuality does occur in the lesser animal kingdom.

Peace Brother preach

We have to have an open mind; people have made stupidity and ignorance their own institution. Normal people misinterpret homosexuality and paedophilia they don’t know where it came from and why people did such things. Society now have an open mind, when I say open mind I mean a weak one that can be influenced or initiated into things that they, before thought was disgraceful or satanic.

If you look at our brothers and sisters in the western world and our brothers and sisters in afrika and you will see a very low tolerance level from our afrikan brothers and almost anything is expectable by our brothers and sisters in the western world.


In afrika oral sex is considered very indecent so is porn and even a child speaking back to an adult is considered as something that is very unusual. There are still influences from the west in what clothes they wear and what kind of shoes they wear and off course poverty makes people do the strangest things such as prostitution and alcohol abuse and a lost of identity but not as bad as the people from the west.


There is no point of me mentioning what the Nubian people in the west have been initiated into. One example of initiation is the changing of names if you give yourself a European name you loose your connection with your ancestors and your deities, you become like a thing instead of a person, your spirit has no identity your soul has no identity so you are now open to be manipulated spiritually.


Masturbation, porn, sex are all rituals exactly like blood sacrifices people do a lot of things they don’t understand, that is because there has been no explanation from birth and their souls are also trapped and unable to guide he or she in this esoteric world where everything is a trap from signing your name to a piece of paper to the words you speak. You loose your language you loose your vibrations you loose you power on earth, you use somebody else’s language not knowing where it came from and what kind of people spoke that language.


People are still thinking as the people in Galileo times the world is run by blood thirsty creatures that hold just a little more knowledge then you. Just before you die and your veil is lifted you will see whose image this reality is made in.

The greatest creation on earth is our souls the energies our souls let out shape the earth and the mental state we are in is chaos.


     

Jemba said:  

Not all societies throughout all time have rejected homosexuality.  In fact, a little bit of investigation using a search engine of your choice using the keywords “homosexuality Africa” will yield many results commenting on indigenous African homosexuality.

Although the last word is not yet in, science tends to tip the balance in favor of there being a predominant genetic cause for homosexuality, therefore, when the genetic cause of
homosexuality is announced, those religions which have persecuted, tried, tortured and executed members of the homosexual community will have a lot to answer for, indeed, even before the very throne of God Himself.

In cyberspace, there is information regarding homosexuality in ancient African societies which was practiced not only by the common ancient Egyptian, by nobles and priests but also by the Egyptian gods (Horus and Seth) as well as other documentary evidence of homosexuality in the African continent in the remote past which would serve to eradicate modern ignorance on the subject of homosexuality on the African continent.

Just the same, native African homosexuality has been studied and documented in the recent past, proof of which is presented below.

http://www-mcnair.berkeley.edu/2000journal/Gayfield/Gayfield.html

“...The historical antecedents of the African American marginalization of Black male homosexuals can be traced in part to the Afrocentric claim that homosexuality "was almost non-existent among indigenous Blacks in Africa" (Cress Welsing 81). This claim is linked to a central concept in Afrocentric discourse: the dichotomy it posits between European decadence and as yet uncorrupted pre-colonial African cultures. Thus the Afrocentric claim that there were no
indigenous African homosexualities is essentially a claim that homosexuality in the African American community is a result of contact with Europe...

... Recent scholarship within the last two years, however, does not support the widespread popular belief that homosexuality was alien to traditional African cultures. Stephen Murray's and Will Roscoe's groundbreaking study of pre-colonial African sexualities and their portrayal in
European anthropological discourse, for example--Boy Wives and Female Husbands-Studies of African Homosexualities (1998), documents same-sex relations among men in a number of pre-colonial African societies. Among these: Zanzibar and the regions now known as Angola, (which prior to colonialism was the region of the Lunda Kingdom), Zimbabwe (formerly known as Great Zimbabwe),Cameroon (was considered to be the land of the Bakweri, Dualal, and Fang before colonialism), and Hausa.(formerly known as Hausauland)...

...The scholar Mark Gevisser's recently published account of mid-nineteenth century Zulu culture, for example, suggests that the Zulu king Shaka encouraged his warriors to engage in "thigh-sex" in order to "create intimacy and loyalty" among them (Gevisser 961). There are also some contemporary accounts of homosexual practices that survive from classical Africa. Malidoma Some¢¢ author of the autobiographical Water and Spirit (1994), for example, notes that the West African Dagara culture has traditionally and continues to regard male homosexuals as "guardians" of its "continuity with the gods and spirits that "dwell" in Southern Burkina Faso(Some¢¢ interview quoted in Murray and Roscoe 93)...”

As for homosexuality being against nature, the following:

In Bruce Bagemihl’s 572-page book, "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality & Natural Diversity," nominated in 1999 for a Pulitzer Prize, contains 200 years of scientific observations of animal behavior in hundreds of species both in the wild & in captivity of homosexuality in animals from insects to reptiles, to birds to mammals, including the most intelligent species such as primates & dolphins.

The Bonobos, a species of small chimpanzees of Africa, are well known for their homosexual activities. Homosexuality serves the Bonobos in strengthening friend bonds, reducing stress and physical violence.

Pity, the observation skills of Africans who live in proximity to Bonobos and other homosexuality-practicing animals were not developed enough to have taken cue from nature itself on the naturalness of homosexuality and the social values of homosexuality which for such an overpopulated continent as Africa, homosexuality would be a non-life threatening form of birth control such as are abortions and infanticide.

The same lack of observation skills applies to Europeans who live in proximity to their own homosexuality-practicing farm animals and still insist on denying homosexuality's natural state and its social values.

There are many documented scientific observations in Bagemihl's book of animals engaging in homosexual acts in the wild even in the presence of abundant sexual partners of the opposite sex, therefore, homosexuality is a natural sexual  orientation in the animal kingdom which is not the result of cultural conditions such as sexual identification due to parental role models or lack thereof. If homosexuality in animals is not cultural, then, the only other option is that it is
genetic. Regardless, of all the spiritual trappings that some like to attribute to the human species which, I, too believe, and that these elevate humankind above the rest of mortal creation, humans are also members of the animal kingdom, mammals to be specific, and as such are subject to the
same laws of genetics.

Considering the vast amount of scientific documentation regarding the ubiquity of animal homosexuality, to claim that homosexuality is against nature is false.

Hotep Recredo peace


When you say human beings you have to be more specific. The world isn’t as it should be, if you say animals practice homosexuality or even SEX then you are, speaking modern day’s human being point of view? If you put to males in a cage for 30 years and expose them to sexual images constantly sooner or later you will label homosexual.

I have never seen an animal masturbating or fondling itself? I have never seen a male chimpanzee penetrating another male chimpanzee? How many times do animals mate in a season? Animals don’t have sex or don’t involve pleasure with mating.

The animals who we call human beings are now within their own cycle which they have created. When we have to compare human beings to animals we know there is something wrong with our spirits, our spirits was not suppose to be controlled by nature.

If the world is like this it is because of the people who are ruling it, if you are an afrikan I will ask you to look for knowledge from afrikans that is one thing our own people do not do. Stop getting second hand materials from the Europeans they have already troubled our minds enough. Afrikans know their own history and WAY OF LIFE the Europeans cannot even put into his or her mind that we never use to think about sex.

Our afrikan ancestors believed a man and a woman had their marriage arranged within the spiritual realm before they were born. The man and the woman in flesh would then marry to give birth so they can bring spirits who they were supposed to bring down to this earth.

We are just portals for new souls to come through to exist in this realm. When the man and woman are bonded in the spirit realm they also will know who is going to come through that portal.


Yenge muntu

 

Jemba,

9 out every 10 men dream about a threesome which in itself is a homosexual act, so your infantile usage of the word " unnatural" to expose your unhappiness with gay people, and what homosexual act is unacceptable is being a hypocrite! Respect, every one deserves it no matter what.

If someone in your family comes to you and says is gay, are-you going to kill him, or try to understand him? It shouldn't matter what is our sexual orientation, what matter is the respect, and again this is exactly what black people need. Instead of talking about homosexuality I will be more than happy to see black people find a way to live together solid like a rock, because gay was there, gay always will be there, we don’t have enough power to stop it .This is the reason why you should shut about it and decide to respect people choices.

B.K

Hotep sister kelani




9 out every 10 men dream about a threesome which in itself is a homosexual act, so your infantile usage of the word "unnatural" to expose your unhappiness with gay people and what homosexual act is unacceptable is being a hypocrite! Respect, every one deserves it no matter what.


I don’t decide what or how people think; every person from birth has been taught by the bible and society that we are born to have a partner who is not the same gender as us. We are also told how a human being should look, we also learn a lot from our parents who live according to the laws of society.

Modern day human beings are just a program with limitations. That is why modern day human beings cannot live side by side with other human beings who are different to them in anyway. No matter what people say their point of view are towards handicaps, homosexuals, or obesity they will always have that program within them deep inside that cause them to fear and fear realises  negative energies.

That is how human beings communicate through thought (mental energy)then vibrations(physical energy) so if a person goes against what a (normal that’s the word people use) the normal mind can’t explain a normal person will put up a defence barrier which is their aura to harm or to protect their thoughts.

Its not easy being an outcast normal people will not let anyone who is different vibrate in the same frequency as them so they have to find others who will.

Every time someone who is not considered normal is around beings or spirits that are considered normal they know that their not accepted. Our spirit needs to be accepted by its group.

When our group dose not accept or understand they will attack it doesn’t have to be physical and this will make that persons spirit start to loose its balance they no longer want to be in this realm so they commit suicide or abuse drugs to take them to another dimension.  


Believe it or not we are not just made out of flesh and bone.




If someone in your family comes to you and says is gay, are-you going to kill him, or try to understand him? It shouldn't matter what is our sexual orientation, what matter is the respect, and again this is exactly what black people need. Instead of talking about homosexuality I will be more than happy to see black people find a way to live together solid like a rock, because gay was there, gay always will be there, we don't have enough power to stop it .This is the reason why you should shut about it and decide to respect people choices.


It takes someone with an open spirit who is not bound to societies program to understand and question things others will not.

I can only kill in self defence

If we truly believe in reincarnation then we should know that in the world our spirits dwell before we are in flesh. We have no need to reproduce, we have no need for physical pleasure, why is it we only seek out these things when we are in the flesh?
When we first came into this garden we where our spirits in the flesh but as the world turned, we became flesh with a spirit and as the world turned we became flesh alone.


The world is upside down we could say it is our own fault or we could blame it on Lucifer but it will still be upside down. So we have to find away get our spirits standing upright then the world will stand up the Wright way.


If we believe in karma then we know that two energies which are the same cannot combine to make one. If you go against a law which is so visible then you pay the consequences the laws and the deities have no pity or a concept of time.


Homosexuality can easily be explained it was created by human beings it doesn’t go anywhere else.  


   
   




Not all Africans share the same ancestors and there are thousands of African tribes who do not share the same spiritual beliefs and folkloric heritage. Don’t claim to speak for all Africans because you only represent your own cultural origins not the whole of Africa’s.

Again, do your own homework and you will find plenty of internet information regarding indigenous African homosexuality.  Your insistence in keeping your head in the sand to deny the reality of indigenous African homosexuality before European colonization is only detrimental to your own intellectual progress. Other Africans know better and continue along with the rest of humanity in their intellectual and spiritual evolution based on their knowledge of reality which
includes the diversity of the human experience throughout all time over the entire face of the earth.

Obese and handicap people are "freaks" just because the majority of the society doesn’t care for them???? Wow...

I am from Congo too (the DR Congo), but Jemba represents absolutely not the ideology of all the Congolese people, although I must say that homosexuality is taboo in our community. He is very disturbing... a case of psychiatric arena I have to say!

B.K

Hotep Recredo




Not all Africans share the same ancestors and there are thousands of African tribes who do not share the same spiritual beliefs and folkloric heritage.




The question is did homosexuality exist when mammals begun to evolve?
We where more intelligence and closer to nature in the beginning, the first creatures on earth where much more superior to what we are now.

Now we are just lawless apes who think that they have evolved because they can speak and write or create meaningless things.

Ignore the word human being and lets look at the word Spirit or Ancestors, do you really think the first spirits or souls or ancestors even knew the words lesbian or gay or homosexuals?

When where we exposed to such things? After contact with the European race not before, when did we begin to loose our discipline after contact with the European race?  

We all have the same beginning and our cultures are tied? If a person asks a Yoruba or an Ashanti high priest about homosexuality they will tell you exactly the same thing I am saying.





Again, do your own homework and you will find plenty of internet information regarding indigenous African homosexuality.



Like I said I can’t read second hand material it’s very easy to be fooled by a scholar or somebody with a title. We preach hate against the bible but when scholars and doctors reveal new and indigenous discovery we get fooled by the same people.




Your insistence in keeping your head in the sand to deny the reality of indigenous African homosexuality before European colonization is only detrimental to your own intellectual progress.


Yes we where colonized by the Europeans but before this they lived in our lands for more then 4000 years. We took them out of there own mental bondages and educated them and gave them land.

Yesu or in Aramaic Yeshua meaning saviour, that what they use to call us now we call them god?




Other Africans know better and continue along with the rest of humanity in their intellectual and spiritual evolution based on their knowledge of reality which
,Includes the diversity of the human experience throughout all time over the entire face of the earth.



We always end up separating our race at the end for our own sake don’t we?
There is one way or no way, the path to spirituality is one way, if there were many options to the most HIGH for the black race then there would be confusion and that’s not how it works.


As for developing homosexuality and unnatural kayos with the rest of the world if that is was you mean by developing. Then that’s the over way not the one which way I was talking about.


Sooner or later the truth will come out we are in the period of the water barer, no one will be able to hide the truth any more. Things people use to do within their own houses hiding away from the darkness is out in the open.


Marabous and which doctors offer their services out in the open?

Soon there will be a line drawn one side for the people who want to be in the path to darkness the most high. The other for people who want to do what they want in the light.

The path to the most high is very strict and discipline yet the same gods who wrote the laws are now breaking them.


I am not a homophobia to me homosexuality does not exist and there is a simple an explanation for everything, on this earth nothing that happens is an accident.

I overstand people will be hurt by my words because they may have family or may be ************* them selves, but the truth hurts and also offers a new path, we can’t be blamed for what you didn’t know or can we?




 



 

Hotep sister kelani



Obese and handicap people are "freaks" just because the majority of the society doesn't care for them???? Wow...  


Everything can be explained but people will never tolerate the explanations, its all to do with our previous lives.

In the words of yoda

“Pain leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering”


I am from Congo too (the DR Congo), but Jemba represents absolutely not the ideology of all the Congolese people, although I must say that homosexuality is taboo in our community. He is very disturbing... a case of psychiatric arena I have to say!



Congo is the European land.

Kongo is our ancestors and our land

As long as we keep on calling our selves congoles or CONGO

We will still be under that flag or illuminati or under the 5 pointed star

The flag mobutu seseseko kizabanga gave tour countrie with the illuminaty sign traped many minds till today.

I don’t agree with killing a human spirit or even caging a human spirit. Nature has its own way with dealing with peoples mistakes where not on this earth for that where here to correct our own.

Bundu Dia kongo

Union of the most high

Kongo dia tontela

Land of the gods

Or Egypt

The kongolese people at list have some moral values within their system but the killing and beatings of homosexuality is wrong.

We create that why we are demy gods, we create our own environment that is why the world is upside down, and what ever we think happens.  

Babylon must burn a society in the image of who?

There not being anything of special import worth replying in your latest post, I have, however, identified a matter of spelling that may, at least, provide the readers of this thread with some entertainment if not much food for thought.

Both Congo and Kongo as you write them, have the letters “C” and “K” from the English language in which this forum is conducted.  The English alphabet is derived from the Latin alphabet which in turn is derived from the Greek which was derived from the Phoenician alphabet which some contend has some distant connection to Egyptian hieroglyphics.  

Is your native African language, the one you actually speak in your home, written in its own native alphabet? Do you have any proof that the alphabet of your native language is derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphics from which the English, Latin, Greek and Phoenician alphabets may have derived to give your spelling of Congo as Kongo as having any pertinent authority or is it just your particular brand of politically motivated "poetic license?"

Although, the name of the last Macedonian Greek queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, is spelled with a “C” in English, in her own native Greek language, she spelled it with a “K.” But, then, with all the archaeological proof dug up from the Egyptian sands and displayed in the Cairo Museum, which includes statues, coins sculpted and struck during her own reign bearing her likeness portraying her with non-black, indigenous African features and her genealogy, it would not surprise me if you were to contend that Kleopatra was of black-Afrikan descent because she was born on the Afrikan Kontinent.

There being other threads in this forum in which intelligent people discuss issues of importance intelligently, I will be returning to this particular thread for comic relief.

Have a good one.

RECREDO

Both Congo and Kongo as you write them, have the letters "C" and "K" from the English language in which this forum is conducted.  The English alphabet is derived from the Latin alphabet which in turn is derived from the Greek which was derived from the Phoenician alphabet which some contend has some distant connection to Egyptian hieroglyphics




JEMBA
It’s all to do with (pronunciations) there is no need for the letter C you can use the letter K for exactly the same pronunciations. Kat cat, censored or sensored where is the difference.

The reason the letter c is in the Roman alphabet, call them Phoenicians call them Greeks, right now they are Romans. They cant or don’t want to admit we taught and civilised them. So they make very small changes to what was already there just to satisfy there narrow minds.


You can also ask our sister Mundele Kelani(joking) if the kongolese people use these three alphabetical words (C Q R) in lingala which is spoken in the kongolese capital kinshasha.






RECREDO

Is your native African language, the one you actually speak in your home, written in its own native alphabet? Do you have any proof that the alphabet of your native language is derived from the Egyptian hieroglyphics from which the English, Latin, Greek and Phoenician alphabets may have derived to give your spelling of Congo as Kongo as having any pertinent authority or is it just your particular brand of politically motivated "poetic license?"





JEMBA

We don’t have a national language as of yet French is our national language, Inset that sad?

The male ancestors of my country use to write on stone and wood only for the future Bantu initiate’s educational purposes hieroglyphics was meant for initiate only, but most did not have to write their memories where very intact. The female ancestors of our country received their education aurally.  
The Bantus of kongo had the ability to communicate with animals or with each other through telekinesis or just intuition.




RECREDO

Although, the name of the last Macedonian Greek queen of Egypt, Cleopatra, is spelled with a "C" in English, in her own native Greek language, she spelled it with a "K." But, then, with all the archaeological proof dug up from the Egyptian sands and displayed in the Cairo Museum, which includes statues, coins sculpted and struck during her own reign bearing her likeness portraying her with non-black, indigenous African features and her genealogy, it would not surprise me if you were to contend that Kleopatra was of black-Afrikan descent because she was born on the Afrikan Kontinent.



JEMBA

Cleopatra was white she was a full blooded roman. Everything you see in the the Cairo museum will distort the truth. After the Bantu decided to give up their land and leave it to the Romans and the malato race the Romans changed allot things.
If you want to learn about afikan history ask afrikans themselves.


Animals don’t even respect humans anymore, we have the potential to grow but we choose to suckle on our mother’s tits for life we are babes.

Yeshua “we have the abilities to move mountain only if our hearts where pure” in other words if your heart chakra was working correctly you would have the abilities to move objects.

Your soul has many abilities but if your mind is wayward you won’t be able to explore them. To be pure means to avoid things that will create self doubt and how will a homosexual ever evolve to his or hers full potential.
Being a homosexual is nothing but a big weight on your conscious “big karma”.


Like humans say “to each his owns” I wonder what that means?

   



Tell me something do you agree with artificial insemination @RECREDO  










 

If there is no answer from you then I will have to conclude this post by asking everyone a question "WHAT BENEFITS DO HOMO SEXUALS PROVIDE FOR OUR SOCIETYS" without male and female relations we human beings or animals would not exist. Its not afrikan to be a homosexual neither is it holy or unholy it’s just a punishment from nature.

I agree with you!

B.K

Yenge Bantu Ya Kongo


We all have our point of views on various topics within this forum but we are here to share them with each other. I am speaking out not my point of view of homosexuality but others who have been here on earth to clear confusion from human minds. If anyone else would like us to hear there point of view or another’s, maybe a wise mans we will always be interested to analyze the information.


Homosexuality is confusion within the spirit and the body our sexual energies or force can be used for more then just pleasure but for protection and development. These are not my words their words of man such as yeshua and women such as ya vita kimpe or AKA saint dona beatres.

We can use our sexual energies to invoke spirits Negative or Positive to do our bidding by ourselves or with a partner who was meant to be our long life companion not just anyone, read the SUNSKRIST. Depending on our mental state at the time we are exchanging our energies from positive to negative or negative to positive we are able to empower our chakras and our auras DEPENDING on our intentions wiles or during exchange of energies or intercourse.


There is never an exchange of energies between female and female or male and male wiles intercourse. It’s just another way of calling spirits who have been sent to eternal
Darkness or what the Christians call hell. Spirits who can no longer dwell within the light they only come when summoned with ceremonies by their minions.  

   

There will never be a green light for gay marriage in africa?

Homosexuals will create new sexual disease and we will have no solutions for these diseases because they will be unnatural. We dont have to look far for our own doom, its coming from ourselve.
 

Considering Africa's heterosexual masses being responsible for the transmission of AIDS from the Green Monkey to humans and the fact that heterosexual Africans have the gold medal in the number of AIDS cases worldwide, you don't have the preponderance of statisitical facts to claim any credible expertise in the matter or the moral authority to preach to others regarding sexuality and the transmission of diseases.

Very bad point. Provide any proof of what you are talkin' about.

B.K

We have learned immorality from our fellow human beings and they have taught us to use it as we see fit. Rape was dealt with a death sentence in the kongo kingdom, now a person dose something wrong and you actually have to explain it to them, some even get angry and you have to plead with them. Where lucky this world is not in the image of the most high because he/she does not forgive if a person that is used to free will gets to know the laws of nature they will give it up so quickly.


Our purpose in this kingdom is to serve nature and we cant be selfish by not procreating and giving others souls a vessel.

We have to evaluate the words human rights if there is such a thing.    

AIDS was created in a lab as a biological weapon. Both of you guys' logic is off.

Yes, I've heard of the conspiracy theory that AIDS was hatched in a lab, however, there are meidcal opinions that it was a mutation of the AIDS virus from an African Green Monkey that infected the heterosexual African population first and spread around the globe.

Now, for how the AIDS virus produced in a lab in the United States found such an accommodating environment across the extensive Atlantic ocean in the heterosexual African population can only be a testament to the prevalent sexual promiscuity of those infected in Africa, that is, the HETEROSEXUAL population.

Just the facts, ma'm.

To Bantu Kelani and Oshun_Auset.

Hmm, never let it be said that I won't admit to being wrong. It seems that while searching for internet info regarding the Green Monkey Aids/Africa connection, I have found very interesting info supporting other theories for the AIDS epidemic.

The U.S. federal gov't has been conducting all sorts of experiments not only with unknowing prison inmates but U.S. servicemen as well as the civilian population. the Klingon Empire's (USA) national anthem is "Our crap right or wrong."

It's a bit late for me (I've been online for hours) here in the caribbean, so, when time  permits, I'll continue reading the new info and check out the authors' credentials and get to this thread at a later date.

Carry on.

Just like recredo found out that aids was biologically created by the Caucasians sooner or later in the future human beings will find out their mistakes are creating new or old diseases.

Homosexuals are giving births through test tubes now this world is hilarious and humans will destroy their own way of life so it is written and so has it been said by all the prophets.


Human rights is a joke

thats my point of view

The comment I have had from this topic shows that afrikans are still delusional their still under a spell or a program that has been cast by the Caucasians.

 

This site alone has plenty of info on this subject.
Are you a person of African heritage? If so, why would you even initially think that OUR PEOPLE were anymore sexually permiscuous than any other human population?

But you claim to be spiritual...

I think the frequency of homosexuality in a population is a symptom of an already out of balance society. Not a cause of the imbalance. But I've discussed this at length on a previous thread.

Hotep


Oshun_auset


Are you a person of African heritage?




Jemba


Just because you’re black it doesn’t mean you’re a person of afrikan heritage.


Oshun_Auset


so, why would you even initially think that OUR PEOPLE were anymore sexually permiscuous than any other human population?


Jemba

I didn’t was reading this post(GREEN LIGHT FOR GAY MARRIAGES) and I was stunned to hear some of the things people where saying like if being a homosexual was an act of purity.

On the post they where saying things like “The Divine give us inclination or tendency that are germane because it unable us to follow the experimental path that encourage the growth of wisdom within us.

Or “Every single person on this planet must live according to his or her own conscience to master his or her spirit”

Or

“Love should be the determining factor here. The greatest depth of love surpasses all the superficial aspects of an individual gender, occupation, religious affiliation, or even ethnicity of one's mate.  Denial prevents growth. Every person should accept who he or she is.”

Or

“It is ought to the people to decide their sexual preferences, not the leaders”

Or


“Your sexual preferences come within yourself not form some other exterior factor”

Or

Really, though, Nazarite, you can boil down all of Jesus' teachings to two commands or requests:  Love me and love each other.  If two men love each other, then that is that.  And you, being a good Christian, should love them too.


Then I thought blasphemy

If the most high decided to break the rules we would be doomed, but we say the most high will let us break natural laws as long as we love the most high.

The energies that we are male/female are separated even out of our flesh
Our ancestors who where very strict dictators had no knowledge of these homosexual acts, if a man sexually assaulted a woman the ruler or chief of that province would take matters to court and consult the deities not ancestors and the deities always recommended execution, the man would then be beheaded.

Death was not a big deal REMBER the deities who we call to have no feelings or experiences of this physical body like you and I.

Jemba, are you the same poster as Recredo? You responded to questions I posed to Recredo as if you are him/her...

P.S. You aren't conversating with idiots. We know there are Black/darkly pigmented people that are not of direct African heritage(although down the line they are African exodus populations). NOTICE I asked if RECREDO was of African Heritage...and not just "Black".  You keep correcting things that don't eed correction or explanation.

Sorry that was a mistake


I didn’t say I am talking to idiots but I was not speaking about the colour of the skin neither, I was talking about our mentality or our souls.  

Peace Jemba

I can feel some of the truth behind your orginal post. But I can also feel the truths in the responds you're getting from the brother and sister.

If homosexuality was 'unnatural' Jemba it wouldn't have been possible to indulge in it. It can be done 'naturally' thats why it is done. But the one thing I agree with you on, is that it will always be a minority of us that will practise homosexuality exclusively like it's done here in the West. Because of the natural law of pro-creation that is possible only in heterosexual intercourse.

But there will always be homosexualism with us. And it's not just an European or a western 'vice'. I lived in Afrika and had friends from the Motherland whose never been to the West before yet engage in homosexual as well as heterosexual sex.

The only difference I'd notice among my continental Afrikan brethren who are gay or 'bi-sexual' is that they often keep their activities secret because and you are right, there is very little public tolerance for that sorts of behaviors in Afrika.

Afrika is very sexually conservative---we look down on even oral sex as an immoral sexual perversion as you rightly stated. But I wouldn't think that whom you decide to have sex with, or the hole you decide to bury your rod in, is fuel enough to destroy your soul. I would say without any doubt or apology that GREED definately more than anything else, corrupts a soul and destroys it more than any other vice. And none of us can be self-righteous about that one.

Peace N Love

Hotep raskwem

I have a lot of respect for everyone on this site white/black and I know the things that I say sound like angry words but their not. I never get angry or loose my temper because I fast often to clear my mind and I don’t eat meat.

Raskwame said

If homosexuality was 'unnatural' Jemba it wouldn't have been possible to indulge in it.  


Jemba

I looked up the word indulge in the dictionary: IF YOU INDILGE SOMEONE, YOU LET THEM HAVE OR DO WHAT THEY WANT, EVEN IF THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR THEM.

People in the west have a moral problem the Europeans are going through a moral crisis and Nubians are may fall with them if we don’t stand tall.

Raskwame

But there will always be homosexualism with us. And it's not just an European or a western 'vice'. I lived in Afrika and had friends from the Motherland whose never been to the West before yet engage in homosexual as well as heterosexual sex.


Jemba

This is because of their souls its broken and needs to be fixed, if you where born are born a homosexual you are either a soul who is in the wrong body or a soul who was not suppose to be born, but other people within the west just choose to this life style.

If a person comes to earth and fails his mission and they come again and fail their mission and they are given other a 100 chances to correct the things that they have done but they continue to break the laws, then they are sent to a place out of contact with the earths light until they have learned their lessons.

Raskwame

The only difference I'd notice among my continental Afrikan brethren who are gay or 'bi-sexual' is that they often keep their activities secret because and you are right, there is very little public tolerance for that sorts of behaviors in Afrika.  

Jemba

Because our people in afrika still have a little morality within them they do not tolerate such things and our people will keep on hating these things. If you go go to the villages you won’t find anything western there its always within the cities.






Ras kwame

Afrika is very sexually conservative---we look down on even oral sex as an immoral sexual perversion as you rightly stated. But I wouldn't think that whom you decide to have sex with, or the hole you decide to bury your rod in, is fuel enough to destroy your soul. I would say without any doubt or apology that GREED definately more than anything else, corrupts a soul and destroys it more than any other vice. And none of us can be self-righteous about that one.

Jemba

The word sex is not found in my language the kongolese dialect lingala or any other dialectsif we look we will find a word that’s more natural. Because sex was not a hobby or something you do everyday because the results will be pregnancy and I swear to you that our people never designed or used contraceptives.

We where not what we are now and we will have to make a lot of changes to go back to the path that we where on before.

Animals first eat before drinking they go to seek water after they have eaten, a human being eats drinks maybe smokes whilst his drinking we learn this from the Europeans uncontrolled thinking and behaviour.

Since European cultural imperialism and domination/oppression is rampant worldwide...one doesn't have to be born or have been to the "West" to have undergone Western cultural indoctrination.

The head of Zimbabwe's state radio and television - which has been at the forefront of Robert Mugabe's vitriolic campaign against political opponents, whites and gays - has been forced to resign after allegations that he was caught having sex with a man in a Harare nightclub.
The government has launched an inquiry into the accusations against Alum Mpofu, chief executive of the Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation (ZBC). The ZBC has been the primary conduit for Mr Mugabe's frequently expressed view that homosexuals are "worse than pigs and dogs" and have "no rights at all".

Zimbabwe's president has also dismissed criticism by the British government on the grounds that Tony Blair's cabinet is "a gay mafia" and is in need of lessons on human reproduction.

The state-owned Herald newspaper reported that Mr Mpofu was chained to a fire hydrant by a security guard at the nightclub after being found in "a compromising position" with a man in a corridor.

The owner of the club, a ruling Zanu-PF member of parliament, eventually had Mr Mpofu released but news of the incident leaked and the government has ordered an inquiry. Gideon Gono, chairman of the ZBC board, said Mr Mpofu resigned for "personal reasons".

Zimbabwe's excitable information minister, Jonathan Moyo, recruited Mr Mpofu last July from South Africa's state broadcaster after dismissing the previous head of the ZBC because he was too soft on the opposition.

Mr Mpofu rose to the challenge as one of the main architects of Mr Mugabe's propaganda campaign in the run-up to last month's presidential election. He virtually banned all mention of the opposition from the airwaves, except to level allegations that Mr Mugabe's opponents were stooges for white western interests and recolonisation.

But his loyal and efficient service to the president could not save him from Mr Moyo's criticism. "Sexual perverts need to be told once again that homosexuality is unnatural," the minister said.

Two years ago, Zimbabwe's former figurehead president, Canaan Banana, was jailed for raping a male member of his presidential guard and sexually assaulting others. The case deeply embarrassed Mr Mugabe.



Jemba

Should president mugabe me taken to court by the activist of human rights.  

Lol... I know a Mr. Mpofu.(the Ndabelle word for a gazelle) Can't wait to e-mail him this story.

Jemba,

Most media sources can't be trusted when dealing with Zimbabwe and/or Mugabe for obvious reasons. Can you post the source?

I think Zimbabwe has bigger more "all emcompassing" and "pressing" issues for the media to deal with than it's intollerant climate toward homosexuality.

I also would be more interested in finding out why the hell Mugabe is Catholic still. But I understand my order of importance is irrelavant and straying from the topic.

I personally don't think oppressing homosexuals is the answer. The frequency of homosexuality in a society is a symptom IMO, not "the" problem.

Every society is going to have a few.  And they should be treated as equal human beings. Nature dictates they would be in the sever minority so when homosexuality seems to be a 'fad' (for lack of a better term) something else is out of balance in the society at large IMO.

this is the site sister auset
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print


The only people that are fighting against mugabe are human rights activists and allot of politicians.

But he is a little harsh with his words against homosexuals or is he to afrikan to compromise.

Regardless of the origin of AIDS, the fact is that heterosexual Africans' sexual promiscuity is what is decimating millions of lives in Africa.

From today’s New York Times at
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/03cell.html?hp&ex=1117857600&en=e3e9903a5d
a949cb&ei=5094&partner=homepage ,the following:

“...We have shown that a single gene in the fruit fly is sufficient to determine all aspects of the flies' sexual orientation and behavior," said the paper's lead author, Dr. Barry Dickson, seniorscientist at the Institute of Molecular Biotechnology at the Austrian Academy of Sciences in Vienna. "It's very surprising. ¶ What it tells us is that instinctive behaviors can be specified by genetic programs, just like the morphologic development of an organ or a nose. ¶ The results are certain to prove influential in debates about whether genes or environment determine who we are, how we act and, especially, our sexual orientation, although it is not clear now if there is a similar master sexual gene for humans ¶ Still, experts said they were both awed and shocked by the findings. "The results are so clean and compelling, the whole field of the genetic roots of behavior is moved forward tremendously by this work," said Dr. Michael Weiss, chairman of the department of biochemistry at Case Western Reserve University. "Hopefully this will take the discussion about sexual preferences out of the realm of morality and put it in the realm of science...¶...The finding supports scientific evidence accumulating over the past decade that sexual orientation may be innately programmed into the brains of men and women. Equally intriguing, the researchers say, is the possibility that a number of behaviors - hitting back when feeling threatened, fleeing when scared or laughing when amused - may also be programmed into human brains, a product of genetic heritage...”

 "But he is a little harsh with his words against homosexuals or is he to afrikan to compromise. "

Well said..

Greetings Recredo

I would like to address some of the points you wrote earlier because I think it's gone almost unnoticed. And they shouldn't be.

Recredo, you wrote.....
''Regardless of the origin of AIDS, the fact is that heterosexual Africans' sexual promiscuity is what is decimating millions of lives in Africa''.

With all due respects to you Recredo.... but that is absolutely nonsense and pure garbage. Afrikans are nowhere near the sexual promiscuity of heterosexual or homosexual people in the west or even elsewhere for that matter.

Blaming the sick for their illness is like blaming the raped for getting raped. Or the child for getting molested by the pedophile. Alot of the people contacting the HIV/AIDS virus and dying now in Afrika are not even sexually active---they are babies and pre-teen childern who've got the virus from their mother.

How on earth can you be spewing such rubbish as......

''Pity, the observation skills of Africans who live in proximity to Bonobos and other homosexuality-practicing animals were not developed enough to have taken cue from nature itself on the naturalness of homosexuality and the social values of homosexuality which for such an overpopulated continent as Africa, homosexuality would be a non-life threatening form of birth control such as are abortions and infanticide.''

I don't belief this brother. Where are your 'observation skills' gone? Afrika is an over-populated continent? Which Afrikan country has the population density of England? (and it's not even the most populous country in U-Rope) Which Afrikan city is as over-populated as London, yet? All of U-Rope's countries can fit into two of the largest Afrikan countries, yet you can go check out their populations before saying that Afrika is over populated (I'm sure you know where to look.... the CIA world fact book has all of this kind of information).

Afrika is yet to reach a population similar to that of China and India even though we have countires like the Democratic Repubilc of Congo thats almost as big as India ( with very fertile land too and not like the barren huge desert lands of the Arab North Afrikans). When we do reach similar population rates, proportionate with the size of our land, then you can come talk about 'over-population' in Afrika.

Recredo later wrote.........

''Considering Africa's heterosexual masses being responsible for the transmission of AIDS from the Green Monkey to humans and the fact that heterosexual Africans have the gold medal in the number of AIDS cases worldwide, you don't have the preponderance of statisitical facts to claim any credible expertise in the matter or the moral authority to preach to others regarding sexuality and the transmission of diseases''.

You showing everyone how much respect you have for Afrikans. And the 'high' regard you have for Afrikan lives.  You're right...we have the 'gold medal' in contacting the virus thanks to the medical as well as food 'AIDS' we get thrown at us from U-Rope and America. You think Afrikans passed the AIDS virus from the Green Monkey to humans? I think U-Ropeans are responsible for passing the virus to humans. After all the first recorded human that the U-Ropeans themsleves cliamed to have recorded, was an U-Ropean-man.

Afrikans don't have the moral authority to preach to others regarding sexuality and the transmission of diseases? Compared to U-Ropeans, we more than qualify. We don't have internet websites delicated to child-molestation, bestiality, and incest, yet. Niether do we have multi-billion dollar porno industries, yet. We still haven't got the 'gold medal' in wiping out whole races of peoples with not just brutal violence, but our veneral STDs upon arriving on their lands, either (again as at yet). So what are you talking about?

My only hope is that Afrikans start exploiting this gold medal and share it with the rest of these beneficaries instead of getting blamed insanely for 'introducing' AIDS into the world---even though theres no prove at as yet that AIDS did orignated in Afrika; and dying off quietly.

Listen Recredo.....HIV/AIDS is apparently killing millions in Afrika because people with sentiments like yours continue to paint Afrikans as sexually immoral bunch of savages, who deserve to die if they can't limit their reproduction to two babies per couple. AIDS main purpose in Afrika is population-control. We all know it. But it's a loosing battle thats being waged. Afrikan population would continue to grow because we need to occupy our vast continent before other aliens come and occupy it again like they did in the past. U-Ropeans on the other hand have no where else to go but Space---because they've reached where they set themselves up to get to. If you are already 'highly developed' where else do u have to go but downstairs?

Anyone whose been to Afrika or has any of the 'observation skills' you were ranting on about, knows that the average European, American, Asian, Australian as well as Latin American, is more sexually prosmiscious that the average Afrikan.

And I'm not even passing judgement on whether thats a bad thing or a good thing because I know that promiscuity is not what is killing us. It's the superexploitation of anything that has 'Afrikan' written on it, and the total lack of respect these guys place on the worth of an Afrikan life.

But I assure you, Afrika is yet to rise to her full destiny. It's her eventual elevation that is scaring those that have wrong her and continue to wrong her. They've been waiting on her revenge for a long time now, but it never seem to come. But they needn't worry. Afrika is the most forgiving Mother of all. Her vengence would come in ways that is unrecomprendable by her distractors. She hands shall never be soaked in the blood of anybody's childern, like Babylon's hands are. So watch the ride me bredda.

Ras Kwame, yu is a very intelligent Rastaman, big up yuself brudda, nuff respect for that post deh.
From a next Kwame.

Hi,

I must apologise in advance if I offend anyone in this forum, but one thing that I have learned is to take ANYTHING the White Race says with a large degree of suspicion. Clearly, it has been proven time and time again that their culture and cultural habits are poisonous to the African people and the African culture.

With that being said, is it just me or doesn't anyone else realize that European Man constitutes the major modern day force pushing for the political legitimacy and acceptance of homosexual behavior? This alone should raise suspicion! I challenge you to outline one single political move made by the European throughout history that has actually served the Global interest and not just their personal agenda. As far as I am concerned, there has never been one! Now I am not suggesting that anyone exercise intolerance towards any other human being for practicing homosexuality, but please, do not be naive! Do not allow Europeans with their corrupt and decadent ways fool you by literally using your own God given tolerance against you! Consider that promiscuity in any way, shape or form is wrong. This is part of the core reasoning passed down to us by our ancestors, generation after generation. These core ancient reasonings are what gives us our moral fiber as a people. If we voluntarily give them up, then we are giving up the last remnant of what makes us who we are as a people.

Ask yourself this simple question: Is it socially acceptable for two individuals, irrespective of sexual orientation, to copulate in the middle of the street for all the public to see? Or better yet, to bring a seven year old child to watch a porn film? If your answer to this question is no, then you must be able to see that the reason why these things are not done is because the decision to not do them has a MORAL basis rather than an ethical one. Before Europeans were civilized by our African ancestors however, these activities would have been considered commonplace. Infact, only a white man/woman would today attempt to dismantle these core moral truths in an attempt to make them socially acceptable. Believe me, as they (White people) are essentially the ruling class, if it benefits them in the long run, all that is needed is to modify their laws so that what was once considered illegal, now becomes ethically sound. What these Devils attempt to do is replace morailty with ethics (which, incidentally, is devoid of any spiritual connection). If you doubt me, visit Amsterdam, Germany! Everyone claims to be ethical; i.e. they don't steal, claim not to be predjudice in any way shape or form, are generally amicable people, etc. However, based on the very definition of immorality, Amsterdam is one of the most corrupt places you'll probably ever visit, and yet for Europeans, it is a hot spot tourist destination! It doesn’t get any more f@#*'ed up than that.

If you are like me then, and you overstand that morality and spirituality go hand in hand then you will see that ANY relationship based primarily on sex, whether it is man/man, woman/woman or woman/man, should be avoided at all cost. This level of social bonding serves no other purpose than to satisfy the most physical of needs, and has no spiritual benefit whatsoever. Overstanding this, can you please tell me, what benefits exist, other than for sexual gratification, would justify one male to have sex with another male (or female to have sex with another female)? The only form of copulation capable of satisfying both the physical and spiritual needs of human existence is that between two opposite genders, as this form of pairing INVITES ANOTHER SPIRIT BEING INTO THE PHYSICAL REALM THROUGH BIRTH. It is the Potential To Be that exists between a male and female that allows the currents of life to flow, similar to how a live battery (collection of cells) allows an electrical current to flow when the two opposites meet. This bonding facilitates the connection between spirit and body. Anything other form of bonding contains no life force and is a spiritually dead union. Of course, as the White unenlightened majority as a whole finds the existance of the spirit world a major inconvenience, this fact is ignored.

Further, if homosexuality was as innocent as two people bonding to promote peace and unity under the rainbow coalition, (this argument is often used as proof that there is a spiritual side to homosexual unions) then there would be no need for sexual intercourse!!! Clearly, this is not the case, as the fundamental prerequisite for being gay is that you DESIRE to have sexual intercourse with a member of the same gender. When the choice to do this is made, the decision is based on one of the most carnal, reptilian instincts that mankind possesses. This is what you need to understand!

Now because we are forced to live in a world dominated by White Supremacy, we are also forced (literally) to accept every damn thing that the white race views as OK. For this reason, every time we turn the television on, something is sure to challenge or very moral fiber. Why? Because the White Race has to be spoon fed morals to understand right from wrong, and if they are not, then quite naturally, they will have none, and the whole world suffers because of it. History can testify to that!  So, after an entire lifetime of their brainwashing, and completely desensitized to immorality as a whole, we too become totally incapable of differentiating left from right. As a result, if White Simon says “Homosexuality is a good thing, and anyone who disagrees is an intolerant homophobe who should be ostracized” you innocently believe this load of shit just because you want to be nice. Hell, if White Supremacy can do that, imagine what else it is capable of doing.

In closing, I want to make it clear that I am in no way, shape or form promoting the dislike, disenfranchisement or disrespect for homosexuals. Nor am I suggesting that homosexuals are in anyway responsible or condemned. However, I do understand that when the human spirit becomes corrupted, there is a point when that corruption manifests itself physically. The ‘evils’ of the world as a whole are a reflection of this spiritual corruption. In time, however, things WILL change.

Keep the faith.

RECREDO, YOU USED AN EXPO FROM NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY BEING GENETIC. IT STATED: Instinctive behaviors can be specified by genetic programs,.
THAT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE CONSIDERING THE FOODS PEOPLE EAT ARE BEING GENETICALLY MODIFIED AND INDUCED WITH HORMONES. IT MAKES ONE WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BRAIN AFTER EATING THESE UNNATURAL PRODUCTS. I MEAN THE BRAIN OR AT LEAST A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE BRAIN IS THE HOUSE FOR EMOTIONS AND BEHAVIORS. COUPLE THAT WITH THE MEDIAS GLORIFICATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY( BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE MEDIA SHAPES THE WORLDVIEW OF THE MASSES) AND YOU HAVE YOURSELF A RECIPE FOR A MISGUIDED SOUL. OUR FOOD IS SO HORMONE PUMPED THAT YOUNG GIRLS AT THE AGE OF 8 AND 9 ARE GETTING THEIR CYCLES. SOME EVEN HAVE BREAST BUDS OR EVEN BREAST. NOW THE MEDICAL BOARD IS LOWERING THE AVERAGE AGE OF PUBERTY. THE POINT IS, IF OUR FOODS ARE MODIFYING OUR BODIES JUST THINK OF WHAT IT'S DOING TO YOUR MIND. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. PEACE.

there is great book called the effemizaion of the afrikan male,read it people,as regarding,white people,yurugus,oyembos,indo europeans,rheziku aryans,khaukazoids,they are not natural,th history of europe is full of homosesuals and gays,all those kings and queens had strange habits,why was europe empty during the bubonic plague,europe during feudalism,was most insanitary places,those kings and queens had orgies in their palaces,i dont believea person is born homosexual,it is learnt behavious,unfortunately, there are many black folks in toronto,jumping on the agenda of their masters,
with pride parade and many other stuff,the city is more likely,to fund this festival of insanity than any black festival,we have enough sick people of our own and we have amerikkkans come in.
in the book behold a pale horse,he says,they experemimented with their own gay population and blacks
when they created the hiv virus,think about it. [smiley=2thumbsup.gif] 8)

One of the most pervasive and perverse mass conditioning exercises in recent years is the lowering of tolerance for homosexuality that gradually desensitized the minds of the people to perversion.

It was a “planned psychological attack” primarily orchestrated by two homosexual social scientists and activists from Harvard, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen who wrote a homosexual manifesto in their book “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s” The authors predicted Americans would be “cured” of their opposition to homosexual perversion, “whether they like it or not.”

In order for a new neonazi fascist state to be imposed the current culture has to be broken down, replaced, corrupted. Not that this society was ever very morally hospitable to Black people anyway but the principle is our focus here.

People are being made to believe that this is an alternative life style or that one is born that way. It is being suggested to people that they are gay through propaganda the same way a doctor suggests to someone that they need an operation when they really don’t.

These men and women are not that way by nature. If that were true, the world could never have been populated. It is a psychological/sociological issue. It is circumstances that make people susceptible, then some one or some form of propaganda suggests to them that they are homosexual.

One recent study that may make men susceptible may lie in the toxic chemical make up of some plastics. Polycaronate used for most clear plastic bottles particularly baby bottles, when heated release bisphenol-A (BPA) which is a hormone disruptor that imitates the female hormone estradiol.

These estrogen imitators in BPA known as xenoestrogens also crop up in industrial waste, meat, soap, pesticides, car exhaust, gurniture paneling, and carpeting. The CDC reports that BPA is present in the urine of 95% of Americans tested.

The recycle pyramid symbols that appear on the bottom of every plastic container each have a corresponding number. Four of seven categories have no known health risks presently. These categories are: #1 PET or PETE (polyethylene terephthalate), #2 HDPE (High-density polyethylene), #4 LDPE (Low-density polyethylene), and #5 PP (Polypropylene). The categories which have been found to pose health risks, BPA, breast & testicular cancer etc. are as follows: #3 PVC or Vinyl (Polyvinyl Chloride), #6 PS (Polystyrene) commonly known as Styrofoam, #7 PC (Polycarbonate).

The organized homosexual movement had it’s roots in the Mattachine society founded in 1950 Nov.11 by two Marxists, Harry Hay and Rudi Gernreich. Its primary goal was to encourage the public to view homosexuals as a persecuted minority rather than mental deviants.

An outcome of such a movement that is compatible with neonazi fascism is population and birth control. Both of which received heavy funding from the Rockefeller foundation.

The Rockefellers also financed an earlier work in 1948, 2 years before the first organization, by Alfred Kinsey “The Sexual Behavior in the Human Male” and “The Sexual Behavior in the Human Female.” Kinsey, a sexologist, used his research to suggest that 95% of adult males were actively engaged in some form of deviant sexual behavior.

He also supervised studies involving child molestation. Kinsey, with the help of Rockefeller’s finance, is still one of the most cited sex scientists. It seems that Kinsey’s shocking work opened the door for the first organized movement.
In Feb. 1988, refered to as the war conference, 175 homosexual activists representing different organizations convenend in Warrenton, Virginia where they established a 4 part agenda to force acceptance of homosexual culture into the mainstream American culture.

For example the use of the term “gay” to detract from the sexual connotation that the use of "homosexual" exposes. In attendance were Kirk and Madsen. They devised the marketing and public relations propaganda, a blueprint that we have seen at work in the areas that touch every American citizen as the blueprint suggests, in government, education, organized religion, the media, and the workplace.

The latest homosexual propaganda perpetrated against the black community to foster mistrust, suspicion, and destruction of the traditional Black family structure is the down low brother stories/rumors.

There may be some down low people out there but the suggestion in the media, like the Oprah Winfrey Show, is that it is epidemic and a major cause in the rise of aids cases among Black women. This has caused a great degee of paranoia among Black women and an uneccessary stigma placed over Black men.

And because the Black media does almost no investigative journalism only press releases, our community accepted this as a significant threat in our community.

In 2003 the New York Times magazine, the Washington Post, and the Chicago Sun Times published stories saying Black men are on the down low or having sex with men and women and contributing to the spread of HIV/AIDS.

These stories are the source of this speculation. In these articles it sites the data from the Young Mens Survey (YMS), a study by Dr. Linda A. Valleroy of the CDC. She has disputed the use of her data in these articles to perpetrate this idea.

In her interviews she states her study was not about so called black men on the “down low”. It was about gay men going to gay bars. Valleroy did not dispute that there are people who have a down low lifestyle, but that it has never been studied and the percentage of men who had sex with both sexes in her survey was small.

“ How prevalent it is I don’t know.” “Nobody knows how prevalent it is, but its in novels, its in rap music, and its on Oprah,”she said. The perpetrators of these articles were, Benoit Denizet-Lewis/NY Times Magazine, Jose Antonio Vargas/Washington Post, and Cheryl Jackson/Chicago Sun Times. (CDC prevention news update 8/25/04.

Quoted from Gay City News article 8/19/04 “Down Low Goes Down” (hopefully no pun intended). The question now is can this barely publicized story ever hope to catch the lie that has already been perpetrated?