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Title: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 09, 2005, 01:43:26 AM
Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supremacy!

Websites like Africaspeaks are places for Black Nationalism and Panafricanism. It is because of this that an increasing number of whites are joining this website to undermine this community. These individuals join black websites in general, but the PRO-BLACK especially. Whether they come as the Afrocentrist missionary or the extremist, both need to be recognized as agents of White Supremacy. They should be recognized, isolated, and cut off. We must stop white agents because all they want is to prevent black people interacting and exchanging ideas through powerful tools like the internet.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Ras_Kwame on April 22, 2005, 09:40:40 PM
You are absolutely right Bantu Kelani. You don't have Blacks joining Nazi and white supremacy boards to inject their views because they make it clear that non-whites are not welcomed.

How do we exclude agents of white supremacy from Africa Speaks? Do we adopt Nazi style exclusions and exclude all non-Black Afrikans? Or do we embrace all and open ourselves up to all humanity? Which means we risk getting run over like usually happens when Afrikans open up to all.

I honestly think we need to find a balance. So long as we don't exclude anyone, we will always have whites coming in here...some with not very nice motives.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: guybaux on April 23, 2005, 06:36:43 PM
How do you know that blacks do join Nazi and white supremacy boards. If you have the time to help confuse the adversary, that is what you should do, suppose that is your talent?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: iNk on April 24, 2005, 04:09:39 AM
And what about white Rastas?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 24, 2005, 08:51:11 AM
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You are absolutely right Bantu Kelani. You don't have Blacks joining Nazi and white supremacy boards to inject their views because they make it clear that non-whites are not welcomed.

Yes! The Klansmen, Nazis, and Skinheads have great hostility and hatred towards black people. It is impossible for them to listen. They are not prepared to learn the ideas, values and nature of other peoples. So they shouldn’t be allowed to roam in black communities, clubs, and forums period!

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How do we exclude agents of white supremacy from Africa Speaks? Do we adopt Nazi style exclusions and exclude all non-Black Afrikans? Or do we embrace all and open ourselves up to all humanity? Which means we risk getting run over like usually happens when Afrikans open up to all.

The Black management of AfricaSpeaks can never have a "Nazi" conduct. They don’t have the arrogant attitude to feel superior and to be the most progressive people. We can be respectful of other people perspective but we cannot accept their dominance, we cannot fall for Missionary tactics! White folk or black people seeking to disrupt pro-black conversation should be CENSORED/BANNED it's very simple.

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I honestly think we need to find a balance. So long as we don't exclude anyone, we will always have whites coming in here...some with not very nice motives.

Personally, I am much more interested in hearing and exchanging with black people to strengthen our community. But you are right, no matter what we do whites will continue to folk here to spy us and to try to get into some black woman or black man's pants....usually that’s what they do!

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Ayinde on April 24, 2005, 04:38:00 PM
I will not dismiss everyone who comes into these reasonings just because they are in mixed relationships or are white. The whole world is filled with distractions, and while we condemn the detractors, we have to be sharp and not allow them to distract from our objectives.
   
Learning is what we are about, and as I previously said, people make many unconscious decisions that become the starting point for understanding these issues. We will not support the poor decisions, but will be receptive to those who come to learn about their predicament and/or share their insights.

It is a given that we will attract a wide range of people who made decisions that were not in our best interest before they considered many of the issues we are reasoning today. Some have children in mixed Black/White relationships, so they should not just walk away from their mutual responsibility there. They should not have to dislike their family either. But they should be aware that often their views are conditioned by their efforts to protect and/or promote their personal relationships.    
   
This in no way excuses those who simply join the board to fight down others over these issues. Public boards are just good places to meet new people and work out primary orientation issues. Once we are clear on the objectives and share similar ideals, things can always be taken to another level. The annoying ones do not have the insights and power to distract and dissuade serious ones here. Those who are easily sidetracked are just immature and not ready to consciously work for the collective well being.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 24, 2005, 08:52:44 PM
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I will not dismiss everyone who comes into these reasonings just because they are in mixed relationships or are white. The whole world is filled with distractions, and while we condemn the detractors, we have to be sharp and not allow them to distract from our objectives.

What’s the point of having around or debate with people who are not focused on black people? The European Missionaries or the Klansmen can never learn something about us and communicate with us. Those individuals should be banned no exception. I, on the other hand, think objectives are best accomplished when like minded people with similar tastes and values come together!  
   
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Public boards are just good places to meet new people and work out primary orientation issues.

Pro black websites aren't supposed to be about the business of nurturing non-blacks too. Laxity brings agents of White Supremacy latitude to disrupt progressive conversation because their posts are generally offensive and plague us with superiority complex. Why we shouldn’t be wary of them?

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The annoying ones do not have the insights and power to distract and dissuade serious ones here. Those who are easily sidetracked are just immature and not ready to consciously work for the collective well being.

Black folks are having a hard time coming together. It make sense to want to be amongst each other without being invaded by white folks.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 25, 2005, 03:05:59 AM
I meant to say..

The European Missionaries or the Klansmen can EVER learn something about us and communicate with us. Etc..

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Ndugu on April 25, 2005, 11:04:31 AM
The issue is whether or not their integration leads to replication or obfuscation of the objectives. If one cannot reproduce that which they consume, then they are an eroding force to what they are consuming. If one cannot reproduce or leave in tact that which they are attracted to, it is an eradicating force. The human is attracted to the energy produced from oil, but the human cannot reproduce the finite energy supplies once it consumes it. Eventually, the resource will be depleted and the attraction and consumption will have lead to the energy source destruction.

In the same way, those whites who are attracted to “black culture”, “Black peoples” or any phenomenon rooted in black African peoples, cannot replicate the core ingredient to this phenomenon, which is “blackness”.  Hence, their consumption or integration into blackness often has an eroding effect upon “what was”. If a white women or man is attracted specifically and disproportionately black women or man, they are attracted to something that they can never reproduce as was. The genetic recombination of X and Y chromosomes will produce an offspring in the middle. The healthiest superficial attractions are the attractions that can be reproduced such as black on black and white on white.

People who are attracted to racial or ethnic traits that they do not posses are not psychologically normal. However, most relationships should be formed on much deeper reasoning.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 25, 2005, 12:52:52 PM
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 People who are attracted to racial or ethnic traits that they do not posses are not psychologically normal. However, most relationships should be formed on much deeper reasoning.

This is not another interracial dating thread... This thread is about bringing to our attention the whites who like to go to black communities and visit black forums to spread the "gospel" or to "make friends..." These people pose a danger to the Black community. I have observed them and studied them. Some of them are intelligent, well read and informed but their positions are always OPPOSITES OF BLACK NATIONALISM. They are working towards the destruction of our race. We cannot continue to fall for their tactics.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: guybaux on April 26, 2005, 05:26:46 PM
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I will not dismiss everyone who comes into these reasonings just because they are in mixed relationships or are white. The whole world is filled with distractions, and while we condemn the detractors, we have to be sharp and not allow them to distract from our objectives.
   
Learning is what we are about, and as I previously said, people make many unconscious decisions that become the starting point for understanding these issues. We will not support the poor decisions, but will be receptive to those who come to learn about their predicament and/or share their insights.

It is a given that we will attract a wide range of people who made decisions that were not in our best interest before they considered many of the issues we are reasoning today. Some have children in mixed Black/White relationships, so they should not just walk away from their mutual responsibility there. They should not have to dislike their family either. But they should be aware that often their views are conditioned by their efforts to protect and/or promote their personal relationships.    
   
This in no way excuses those who simply join the board to fight down others over these issues. Public boards are just good places to meet new people and work out primary orientation issues. Once we are clear on the objectives and share similar ideals, things can always be taken to another level. The annoying ones do not have the insights and power to distract and dissuade serious ones here. Those who are easily sidetracked are just immature and not ready to consciously work for the collective well being.



You say  what I would like to say better than I.
We must rise to the same level of sophistication as the competition. I continue to experience all the senitiments expressed but we are involved in a process that is greater than our selves and must utilise restraint. There is no ligitimate means by which we can remove outsiders from such gatherings.  Just imagine that you called a public meeting and invited millions and many turned up. Lets say infront of the Lincoln memorial. You cannot deny outsiders acess without over turning principles that so many people have fought and died for. We all insist on been able to be at such a meeting  wheather it is in Paris, London or Berlin.  The internet is even more open. People in China, India or Korea may wonder in.  We just got to get use to the idea.

It could be a good thing if we used the disposition wisely. Most of the worlds people  are wiser than we are in social affairs and could contribute positively to our debate, if we are really having a debate.

As far as the thought of excluding any one goes: there is the question of identify. Who is who?





Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: guybaux on April 26, 2005, 05:43:11 PM
We need to stress that web debate is for "primary orientation issues", to keep the cause alive and growing in a fun way, involving the most people. People who would never have had contact with each other. Let us keep reminding each other that it is not for intimate exchanges. All open minded and intelligent people can contribute to the process. Suppose you were at a meeting and there was a white person who was definitely not invited but voiced the opinion that blacks should love their children and sacrifice for them. Would that person's origin disqualify the idea?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Ayinde on April 26, 2005, 08:03:49 PM
You seem to be agreeing its cool for whites/'outsiders'/detractors to be around but in a resigned way rather than from the idea they can learn.

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We must rise to the same level of sophistication as the competition.

Well I don't really agree with this, and I do not see whites desire to protect the status quo as any level of sophistication to which we should rise. Their levels are not about rising, theirs are levels of descension.

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There is no ligitimate means by which we can remove outsiders from such gatherings.

There are means we can utilize to reason on sensitive issues that are not open to all. Detractors are always excluded from many levels of reasoning and strategizing by virtue of their own ignorance. They just cannot follow the lines of reasonings.      

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We need to stress that web debate is for "primary orientation issues", to keep the cause alive and growing in a fun way, involving the most people.

These websites are deliberately African oriented, and are not about accommodating the arrogance of anyone - who do not respect our direction. The focus is about the development of the people most disenfranchised by the system - dark-skinned kinky-hair Blacks and other disenfranchised Black people. Anyone getting involved would be wise to keep that in mind, as efforts to undermine that will eventually run afoul with the rules of the site. The part about 'growing in a fun way' is way too subjective to be considered a part of our objectives. If some are discomforted by clearly expressed African focused truths, then they will not find that fun. We are not here to make a fun place for others.

Whites and Blacks cannot get the same considerations in a black setting, as that will not correct existing imbalances. The efforts are to make this place more open to Blacks who wish to develop, and if others wander along and benefit from the exercise then good for them. Whites can never be legitimate when they try to come over as if they are teaching the victims of this system. Black centers of learning are not playgrounds for white privileges. Blacks and whites are not equal, and we are not catering to whites. They will easily run afoul with serious black ones here. Kelani's concerns are quite valid. There is hardly a place Blacks can meet without the intrusions of others, and the only reason I did not respond directly to her concern is because I have no intentions of sharing my idea of a solution with detractors. We can only use these public boards for primary orientation BECAUSE detractors will be present. The detractor requiring additional consideration situation is not acceptable and it is far from the conditions we would like. They can assume that we are unable to detect them, and will remain excluded from what they do not know and cannot get.

People will not be allowed to continually promote things here that many blacks can clearly identify is not in our best interest. Being misinformed is one thing, but a disinformation campaign is not allowed.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 26, 2005, 11:35:47 PM
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There are means we can utilize to reason on sensitive issues that are not open to all. Detractors are always excluded from many levels of reasoning and strategizing by virtue of their own ignorance. They just cannot follow the lines of reasonings.      

These websites are deliberately African oriented, and are not about accommodating the arrogance of anyone - who do not respect our direction. The focus is about the development of the people most disenfranchised by the system - dark-skinned kinky-hair Blacks and other disenfranchised Black people. Anyone getting involved would be wise to keep that in mind, as efforts to undermine that will eventually run afoul with the rules of the site. The part about 'growing in a fun way' is way too subjective to be considered a part of our objectives. If some are discomforted by clearly expressed African focused truths, then they will not find that fun. We are not here to make a fun place for others.

Whites and Blacks cannot get the same considerations in a black setting, as that will not correct existing imbalances. The efforts are to make this place more open to Blacks who wish to develop, and if others wander along and benefit from the exercise then good for them. Whites can never be legitimate when they try to come over as if they are teaching the victims of this system. Black centers of learning are not playgrounds for white privileges. Blacks and whites are not equal, and we are not catering to whites. They will easily run afoul with serious black ones here. Kelani's concerns are quite valid. There is hardly a place Blacks can meet without the intrusions of others, and the only reason I did not respond directly to her concern is because I have no intentions of sharing my idea of a solution with detractors. We can only use these public boards for primary orientation BECAUSE detractors will be present. The detractor requiring additional consideration situation is not acceptable and it is far from the conditions we would like. They can assume that we are unable to detect them, and will remain excluded from what they do not know and cannot get.

People will not be allowed to continually promote things here that many blacks can clearly identify is not in our best interest. Being misinformed is one thing, but a disinformation campaign is not allowed.

Yes, you say EXACTLY what I would like African brothas and sistas to look at!!!

There is no question AfricaSpeaks is open to white views. I don’t get why that couldn’t be. But like you say this is a BLACK-AFRICAN community... It’s here for BLACK PEOPLE to come together and discuss issues that we face in particular, so naturally the majority of the topics are going to be PRO-BLACK it's quite natural. I am curious to know why that makes AfricaSpeaks a "hate" website??! We cannot continue to be advocate of free speech when specific whites with the Missionary approach will disrupt progressive & constructive discussions at every turn you can expect. Not every extended hand is done in friendship....we should be as wary of the Missionary as we would a Nazi or a Skinhead!

I think a black management ability to find out what the members of their website are about and deal with the agents of White Supremacy IMMEDIATELY is a measure of how strong they are. That’s the way AfricaSpeaks is run and this is why I will not leave this community. This website objective is very simple to find a way to reach Africans with BLACK SKIN who are at a low level and raise them up!

That many whites can’t take it, it’s their problems, not ours! Hopefully, we can get white folk to use this website therapeutically, to look at themselves more CRITICALLY!!! Because, that's all it is about... Respect and much love Brother Ayinde!

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: guybaux on April 29, 2005, 12:35:41 AM
I  completely accept the position that these web sites are for the nurturing of Black folks and for coordination of their efforts and certainly does not advocate inclusion of “white” people in a black forum. I mean to say it is a waste of time trying to exclude them from an open forum.


The issue we have  under debate is illustrated often around us. Black people who rise to power in white society must serve the interest of the society and reflect the point of view of the people who put them in power or they are thrown out. What else?
Any one advocating an unwise course of action or practice in these debates should be cut off irrespective of whether they are actually Black or not.
So  being Black or white in actual fact is not going to be a big thing. We will identify people by their ideas.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on April 29, 2005, 02:49:05 AM
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I  completely accept the position that these web sites are for the nurturing of Black folks and for coordination of their efforts and certainly does not advocate inclusion of “white” people in a black forum. I mean to say it is a waste of time trying to exclude them from an open forum.

Believe me the moderators never let ANYONE wreak these websites. All the offensive members have been BANNED no exception! Not permitting racist trolls to plague this community is certainly not a waste of time!

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Black people who rise to power in white society must serve the interest of the society and reflect the point of view of the people who put them in power or they are thrown out. What else?

Whites NEVER placed blacks in position of so-called power in theses websites. In this case, the moderators do not have to amend any white if their rhetoric goes over the edge! This community is 100% owned and operated by BLACK PEOPLE, so what the hell are you talking about?

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Any one advocating an unwise course of action or practice in these debates should be cut off irrespective of whether they are actually Black or not.
So  being Black or white in actual fact is not going to be a big thing. We will identify people by their ideas.

WE JUST SAID "ANYBODY" engaging in disruptive discussion, which intention is to inflame and abuse this community should be banned, which means white or black members!

Yet YOU have a problem with banning racist whites in pro-black forums...WHY? Perhaps because you are white? If you are, I personally could care less of your whining.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: nefertiti on May 15, 2005, 11:28:49 AM
Blessed Love Rasta Far I

All this talk about black and white...perhaps ones should define who is "black" and who is "white".    MarcusGarvey and the KKK got to gether to reason...Was it a mutual infiltration in that instance?  I overstanding of black nationialism is that it is  a vision of the organic world of truth. It is preservation of organic spirit that is the not necessarily about an established new one world order, but a deconstruction of man's desire to rule other man through so caled "nation" builing through exploitaiton, manipulation and domination.  I site it as  Spiritual freedom based upon the natural divine law of creation.  Our present society has been synthetically atlererd through the greed of western so called civilization.  (capitalism which is dependant upon death, through resources exploitation, natural resources contamination, and psycholoigcal alteration via religion and government)

Rasta don't fear no white and black thing (or any other thing for that matter) about infiltrators who will undermine anyone except those who CHOSE to be weak in the mind about who they are.    Free will is the ultimate truth.  If there be any so called "CROSS TO BEAR" it would be FREE WILL to be do think act with SLEF-DETERMINATION.    INI ancestors already fought these ISMs of the words of national- race- gender  battles and now ones want to go over and over it.  , Why ? to relive the revolutionalry 60's 70's because the music so I-rie, marching and singing and the adrenaline rush of those times... ?  Bumba Klatt.  those times were crucial and so are these however the actions are different, the destiny is the same so act now and be ready to be uncomforatable and not so nostalgic stand up and get ready to work the struggles the same but the terminolgy is different.   Go back and really read the words of Malcolm X. MLK and Marcus Garvey.  

Ones and ones there is work to be done and that work for I-manity blackness is not about DIE-VISION for any-one.  Any_one who is in CON-fusion about white black high low levels up or down is a walking dead person.  WHy be foolishly spending   energy and breathe to revive dead people?  That is just grave digging.(site what those europeans done to ini ancesteros in Egypt in ther foolishnesst o dig up INI ancestors  and interpretting such an such).    INI trod daily in LIVE-Vision with the full awareness of the past because it is the cement that brought this flesh to this moment.  

INI not be looking out side I-self for what is truth.  Not looking for some-ONE to tell me what is real what is right and what is wrong... That is just ignorance  (ignoring what INI is.. it would like saying irange and thinking that u have been nourished by saying the word! )...INI am truth and be LIVING truth..to ultimate destiny of i-nification of ini ethiopina/african/origin organic energy.  This is one breathe ata atime one step ata time and it is to be every cell of i being.

No one siting up blackness should have any fears about what any words are said by who and how....that is only promoting CON-Fusion (against Unity).. Ini not talking about any DIE-versity pollyanna feel  good ting...INI site I-niversity...ONENESS.  To be walking and talking about this one and that one saying such and such  is just  abomination to INI ancestors by making thier lives useless.  For all the worldly struggles that they sustained in keeping ini culture now ones want to dismiss that?  THe struggle to day is in the mind becuz of wekaness and dependence upon leadership of the ruling minority of western ISM through religion, governemnt, and  finance.  PEOPLE...those thing s are not real and until u detach from those isms u will always be slaves to that savior.   Blasphemy t o keep ini ancetors down as victims....no one speaking on this board has endured in this flesh what was happening 20,. 30 50, 100, 500 years ago and yet ones cry and cry.  Bumba klatt on masters and slaves thinking.  Get out of your thoughts of lack and get on your reality of ABUNDANCE.
NYABHINGI  death to downpressors. death to down pressing words...site that they are already dead, have no power and stop sounding all that noise.

Go meditate and feel literally the agony and pain of ini ancestors to overstand the strength that ancestors possessed to RE-MEMEBER(put together) the victory of life ancestors endured to bring forth ones and ones today.  Birth man of not a weaker life in u, me, he, she or they ...a stronger body and mind to manifest ini organic heritage.  

INI kings and queens of i-ternity.  Utilize the knowledge and I's-up (not we's- dumb) that is biologically in every cell of a living breathing flesh and mind and spirit to bring forth the destiny that is TRUTH.  That includes seeing the wolf in sheep clothing and acknowledging that not running aways from that ... but moving around that  cuz truth always conquers wickenesness.  Not knowing that and livng TRUTH- one just becomes a noisy rebel with no groundation of  purpose uinterested in only himself and him flesh.  What a slap in the face of INI grandmothers and fathers, Malcolm X, marcus Garvey, Ghandi, MLK, Nat trruner, Toussiant, Selassie I,  to the very core of I-ration.  

Site "Until the philosophy which hold one race superiorand and other inferior is finally discredited and permantly abandoned--- ther will be war." Selassie I

Get out of the race get out of the body and get know your spirit...that is where the strength is  bredrens and sistren.  KNOW ini creator.  stop ruminating over your fears and act now  there is not  jesus coming back from the dead, no souls to save no enemies except the enslavement of your own mind making.  

LOVE is the only law to obey.....keeping the mind on those truths wil defeat anything that comes ur way to day.  That,  bredrens and sistrens is real POWER.  Get out of your own self imporatnce and realise by living the all ESSENTIAL LIVITY of TRUTH for the Manifestation of INI Organic Natural inheritance of perfect i-vinity.

ONE LOVE ONE AIM ONE VISION--
Rasta Far I

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Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2005, 05:51:29 AM
It is possible that many white people are here only to spy, and maybe laugh to what you are saying. But one thing you should think about is, That like wise men say, we must brake down the barrier of prejudice and become member of a new race!!!! and you cant draw all white people over a thin line, because mosty ITS the LEADERS of white people and politicians, and THE FAT MEN that is the big big problem. Also white people have been slaves for their country, For the KINGS of their country. ITs the PEOPLE of all nations that shouldhave to unite. Through the words of Selassie.
The PEOPLE of all nations together are STRONGER than all politicians, stronger than russia, usa together. WHIT LOVE we can conquer atomic bombs, its a fact....


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No one should question the faith of others, for no human being can judge of the ways of God.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 20, 2005, 09:48:52 AM
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It is possible that many white people are here only to spy, and maybe laugh to what you are saying.

Yes, in your words I should be laughed at. You come here stating things like this and you want to be accepted by blacks??? Everything you both said is ignorance BS. There are a lot of morons coming on here posting like you.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Alex on May 20, 2005, 02:37:31 PM
i am DEEPLY SORRY, i didnt mean myself!!!!!
I meant the average of white people would laugh and take rasta/african for a joke, but i DONT. i am very aware of the situation today, and what white people do... I dont laugh to what you are saying, i am lissening and i want you to teach me and learn me about everything you think i should know about. I am just a man, and i want african to teach me and its not ME in any way that can TEACH you. Because we seen so far what is happening when white people try to TEACH, they do it for their own benefit. TEACH ME!
And by saying that also white people are downpressed doesnt mean that that forgives anything. THEY are still vampires, and are able to get truth but just are affraid of the truth or dont cear.. But i do, i care. so to speak you say im moron, and i tell you well.. i am a moron, because my people are morons, and so stupid and ignorant. BUT i want truth, and truth for me is not the false "christian" way, no disrespect to Ethiopian Orthodox, when i say truth i am aware that one man cant know the whole truth because one man cant know the whole universe, BUT anyway. i am maybe wrong in alot of questions, but teach me..
I dont want to CONTRIBUTE, i want to LEARN.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 20, 2005, 11:10:43 PM
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i am DEEPLY SORRY, i didnt mean myself!!!!!
I meant the average of white people would laugh and take rasta/african for a joke, but i DONT. i am very aware of the situation today, and what white people do... I dont laugh to what you are saying, i am lissening and i want you to teach me and learn me about everything you think i should know about. I am just a man, and i want african to teach me and its not ME in any way that can TEACH you. Because we seen so far what is happening when white people try to TEACH, they do it for their own benefit. TEACH ME!
And by saying that also white people are downpressed doesnt mean that that forgives anything. THEY are still vampires, and are able to get truth but just are affraid of the truth or dont cear.. But i do, i care. so to speak you say im moron, and i tell you well.. i am a moron, because my people are morons, and so stupid and ignorant. BUT i want truth, and truth for me is not the false "christian" way, no disrespect to Ethiopian Orthodox, when i say truth i am aware that one man cant know the whole truth because one man cant know the whole universe, BUT anyway. i am maybe wrong in alot of questions, but teach me..
I dont want to CONTRIBUTE, i want to LEARN.

It’s cool Alex. I never said Whites cannot participate in Black forums just don't wear a Klan or a Missionary "uniform." If you are interested in Black peoples and wish to learn more about Black issues and thoughts ask questions and have an open-mind to Black opinions..

Personal responsibility is the hallmark of genuine humanism. Seek to inform your people about the role of European and American governments that infringes on the right and ability of Black peoples to govern their own lives. Focus to create a platform in your community for the overall growth and development of underprivileged people and Black victims. It should be your core mantra.

Respect & forward Revolution!

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Alex on May 25, 2005, 04:49:31 PM
Yes. I think if people here ever could change their views, the SCHOOL must change their teachings.. For example Why do we never learn that much about how europeans did when they colonised AFRICA or SOUTH AMERICA. Why did we learn to see COLUMBUS & MARCO POLO as some kind of GREAT MEN that enlightened the world. I say screw that out of all ears, brains & eyes.
And teach about how they did it, how awfull and how discusting their works where. in thay way SOME white people would see what a big mistace C & M P did. (SOME, some white people will never learn because they are ignorant from birth) Also other books that youths should learn about is "DeliverUsFromEvil".. ANd by that also that God is black and so is Jes-us Christ. Because if the youths dont learn how, how could they not be ignorant to it when they are grown ups. Off course they are being ignorant because they are being brain washed by the system (White Ignorant people - Church and state)

Keep it in a positive way and see a brighter day. Alex


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: nefertiti on May 25, 2005, 07:44:59 PM
Blessed Love Rasta Far I,

Will someone please reply to how does one define who is white and who is black.  InI site all this DIE-vision, for what ? To see whose words are more correct?  ITruth is what I am interested in.  Why do ones and ones look to schools and religions and government for the truth knowing full well that they be promoting, teaching and brainwashing  alot of lies.  It is in ini to know ourselves and to see the truth as hard as it is and to move accordingly.  

It is time that all ones and ones get on the same vision of LIFE - the fact that every living thing needs AIR WATER and SOIL to live.  It is the western idea so f captialism that is destroying this.  ANd the white male nationalists are leading this under the guise of demonacracy.  WHite male nationalism does not discriminate on gender nor race, it only uses those things to downpress those who don't join thier $hit$tem.  Why would anyone want to work within this greedy group to just put new faces in the hierarchy of the $hti$tem?   Downpressors threaten anyone who is not with them.  SO if they are evil, and good oversomes evil, what is eeveryone so afraid of.  Peiople siting where  is "our" leader....ONes and ones U are ur leader everyday.  INI must stop liiking outrside ourselves for our s called salvation.  If ones do not have thier sites upon the train of glory then one is already defeated.

The days of whine and Moses have passed.  It is time for action.  Whatever it is, no measure of how big or small....

Selassie sited that" we must become bigger and more courageous than our environement education and expereince have prepared us for."  

yes there has been an injustice Yes thier is still injustice and thier will always be if ones stay in that mindset.  Cultivate your own garden , your temple and to the purest form of truth srriving every day for that. Be a leader of ini.

Haile I Selassie I
Rastafar i

 





Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: preach on May 27, 2005, 12:44:32 AM
Peace nefertiti.
what is the train of glory?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: nefertiti on May 27, 2005, 01:01:38 AM
Blessed love Rasta Far I Haile I Selassie I

I apologize for the typing errors in i previous post.  

Preach, INI send peace blessings and love to the ones an dones...

....As for the train of glory, ini site to correct I-womban and say the train is "bound" for glory....is ini livity.  INI be aware and to live up to the most awareness in the journey of living.  Glory is the radiance that emulates not from ini reputation, but the ighteousness and justice contentment and truth that is ours throughout life which is joy and bliss

JUST-US, ini of I-ration.  

The "train" gets us to glory, the train being our body of flesh.Glory is not heaven. GLORY is the life that INI breath drink and eatin body mind and spirit.    

majesty.....

Rasta far I haile I selassie I
   



Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 27, 2005, 06:54:13 AM
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Blessed Love Rasta Far I,

Will someone please reply to how does one define who is white and who is black.  InI site all this DIE-vision, for what ? To see whose words are more correct?  ITruth is what I am interested in.  Why do ones and ones look to schools and religions and government for the truth knowing full well that they be promoting, teaching and brainwashing  alot of lies.  It is in ini to know ourselves and to see the truth as hard as it is and to move accordingly.  

It is time that all ones and ones get on the same vision of LIFE - the fact that every living thing needs AIR WATER and SOIL to live.  It is the western idea so f captialism that is destroying this.  ANd the white male nationalists are leading this under the guise of demonacracy.  WHite male nationalism does not discriminate on gender nor race, it only uses those things to downpress those who don't join thier $hit$tem.  Why would anyone want to work within this greedy group to just put new faces in the hierarchy of the $hti$tem?   Downpressors threaten anyone who is not with them.  SO if they are evil, and good oversomes evil, what is eeveryone so afraid of.  Peiople siting where  is "our" leader....ONes and ones U are ur leader everyday.  INI must stop liiking outrside ourselves for our s called salvation.  If ones do not have thier sites upon the train of glory then one is already defeated.

The days of whine and Moses have passed.  It is time for action.  Whatever it is, no measure of how big or small....

Selassie sited that" we must become bigger and more courageous than our environement education and expereince have prepared us for."  

yes there has been an injustice Yes thier is still injustice and thier will always be if ones stay in that mindset.  Cultivate your own garden , your temple and to the purest form of truth srriving every day for that. Be a leader of ini.

Haile I Selassie I
Rastafar i

When you deal with imposters on these boards you have to look very carefully at how they write, they fuse the European manipulated bible claims with their illogical Rastafarism. I know how posters of African origin point out at things, but this "nerfertiti" want us to believe that she is African, and we are supposed to believe her bullshyt as the truth, this is nothing more than another imposter disguised trying to weaken this forum like I see on every other Pro-Black centered forum, I say "nerfertiti" is an imposter!!!!!!!!

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: nefertiti on May 27, 2005, 08:49:16 AM
Blessed


Bantu says:
When you deal with imposters on these boards you have to look very carefully at how they write, they fuse the European manipulated bible claims with their illogical Rastafarism. I know how posters of African origin point out at things, but this "nerfertiti" want us to believe that she is African, and we are supposed to believe her bullshyt as the truth, this is nothing more than another imposter disguised trying to weaken this forum like I see on every other Pro-Black centered forum, I say "nerfertiti" is an imposter!!!!!!!!

B.K

thanks for taking the time to read what InI wrote.  unfortunately the i  chose not to answer any of the questions.   Thanks and Priases for free will to do or not do    The I  did not address any of the things regarding the issue...let me tell u,...I don't want nor SUPPOSE  u or anyone else  to be-LIE-ve anything i say- INI site  essential for YOURSELF to know who u are.  The I chose  to label or define me and yet the i don't even know yourself.    

I seek truth.  Truth can even be found in the word and sounds of ones who intentionally LIE.  It is of being aware.  

Africa for Africans is that, self determination. It is NOT waiting around for OTHER  people to come around and suport africa.  The die-seased mind of euro thought just don't want AFRICA to unite.  cuz of impact of the power in numbers alone.    Fear based euro-centric thought is essential for downpressing the mass of people through die-vison.  TO copy that model in order to be "new world leadership" is just changing the so called color of the faces.  

INI african people innovators, spirtiual mystics who create and maintain sustainable community where i is not the center but rather ini  each being a part that is not seprable from the body of life of nature of organic livity. Cuz INI not separate from the earth.   I site that in the continual existence of ini throughout the forces that have attempt to exterminate ini, body mind and soul through the exploitation and manipulation of the earth that belongs to INI, not u me he she or they,. not to some $hit$tematic technological invention of destruction of organic material.  

If that makes "nefertiti" an imposter, so be it.  It is merely words -symbols that u attach a judgement to based on ur expereience.  Still u do not change who Ini am.

Again I ask who is white and who is black?  WHo is african ?If you don't want to address those issues,  i will see "your" truth in that.  Name calling is an easy way to divide people ... a very euro-centric and biblical tatic. u stating that -does not make me that.  

A strong body cannot be weakened by LIES, nor UNRIGHTEOUS intentions.   You are only as strong as your weakest link.

if the language i use is a threat to your weakness, i will humbly remove my self from your group.. i leave that to the "owner" of this board.  Exclusivity is nothing new in the western world.  Too bad it now premeates the african culture.

Blessed Love ones and ones,
rasta far I (without fear)
Satta amassagana
nefertiti



Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 27, 2005, 09:59:40 AM
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unfortunately the i  chose not to regarding the issue..to address those issues,  
Again I ask who is white and who is black?  WHo is african ?If you don't want to address those issues,
 
Indeed, I don't want to.

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if the language i use is a threat to your weakness..

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i will humbly remove my self from your group, i leave that to the "owner" of this board.  Exclusivity is nothing new in the western world.  Too bad it now premeates the african culture.

I think you are not black..

Why is there so much "missionary" vibes in your words nerferti? Why a Pro-Black site shouldn’t pay exclusive attention to black people? Why?

The white "Rastas" that come here hates so much black people deliberately admiring their own ideology and chosing to be among themselves. It is a common problem we have with "you." We see it here over and over.

It's about time we blacks start caring more about ourselves, it really shouldn’t matter if you were a Black person of African origin.. What matters to me are black people! We have the right to criticize the people who despise Black Nationalist ideology. Surely, we shouldn’t like them either!

Perhaps you should obey yourself and leave this community instead of arguing with what this website is all about. If you are "hurt" don’t be so bad calling me a "weak" person. Instead, use your outrage to influence white people out there to more "reasonable" ways.

Goodbye!

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: nefertiti on May 28, 2005, 10:05:31 PM
Blessed love...

I am not hurt by your words, nor did i accuse u of weaknesses.  Your comments  are concerned about elements weakening  this forum.  I don;t assume that anyone needs me to tell them what to do or not do.   I find it awesome how much energy  words have had on u and surely I will be influenced by ur reaction to be conscious of i own word sound power.  So I thank you for your sharpening iron.    

Only ones own fear can weaken them,  If my words provoke u to such personalized comments then i do have compassion for whatever hurts  you expereinced to radiate  such rage.  Rage is important yes to overstand and heighten awareness in oneself and others, but to stay in in is just unhealthy.

There is no heaven after death and suffering story to tell.  InI have a destiny fill that is not directed by anything outside of INI, but manifests thru this vessel of nefertiti.    

All living beings need to be concerned with their own body mind and spirit, first and foremost knowing full well that we  cannot even attempt to "save" anyone in order to save ourselves.  

My point is that if ones want to live along the line of die-vision, then ones will in  all-ways be DIE-vidingand be separate from the universal forces of life.  Life will be filled with death constantly.  I don't mean physical only... but spiritual and mental.     Most people fear death so much no realizing that they are dead already.

...I look at life as abundant, because lack is something that  cannot be touched nor measured.

I have found that the gratitude for all that i have mulitplies prosperity not for "me" but for ini, realizing that while I  posses NO-THING-ini have power of all-things.  vengence as well as mercy.. it is each ones choice freely taken consiocusly and organically.      Chosing mercy empowers all living beings.  Mercy to not only "forgive" but to live with a destiny of justice---JUST-US.  To accept the natural law of justice, i as a reciever of the natural order that will in all-ways and i-vinely impart justice with mercy that  ultimately is INI.

Love is the only law to obey


   

 

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Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 30, 2005, 04:24:33 AM
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 Your comments  are concerned about elements weakening  this forum.

Only ones own fear can weaken them,  If my words provoke u to such personalized comments then i do have compassion for whatever hurts  you expereinced to radiate  such rage.  Rage is important yes to overstand and heighten awareness in oneself and others, but to stay in in is just unhealthy.

Love is the only law to obey

Your point of view is highly dependent on the fact that you are white! You talk about "love"? Think about how you have difficulty accepting this site that discusses issues primarily concerning the black race be Pro-Black. I see you certainly have no "love" for the black community, look at you are "weakening" (watering down) this site because it is clearly what you are doing!

Do you really think my thinking is "rage"? I can tell you my thinking have helped far more black persons than your missionary conduct has destroyed. My thinking is empowering black men and women. My thinking allow African people to take a look at black websites and not sit around and let snakes cause a disturbance in their community. No one is stopping whites from posting in our forums and no one is stopping you from participating in correcting your European brethren past and present deeds! Make no mistakes about my thinking, it definitely should be on us and providing a defense for those who plague us with prejudice and deceit.

If black folks who have a great amount of pride have "rage" (or are "racists") then you need to sight another movement because Rastafari is about Black Pride and African Heritage! So you can quit with the "We Are The World" charade...You charade is as it has always been! You are an imposter!

You said you were leaving. What are you still doing on this forum?

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on May 30, 2005, 05:00:39 AM
nerfertiti, if you want to practice the "We are The World" philosophy that's okay you just go right ahead practice it out in this racist world.. If you had taken the time to really study what Black African Rastafarians very often say, and opened your mind, you would see how ridiculous it is for you to interpret us as people with "rage." You are naive and lack the same experiences we have that explain why you think about us the way you do. It's my guess you will still be around on this forum to have success brainwashing "angry" blacks to be "nicer" to whites… You sure are doing it.

And you are just a poster I am responding to, don’t be comical to think your words have any "strong" effect on me.

B.K


Title: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: jemba on June 08, 2005, 07:00:11 AM
Yenge mama kelani


If I can ask you a question


Do you know anything about a men they call honore guanda?

I have seen his DVD’s and heard his cassettes and read his book but is he representing pro blackness? Every Congolese is eating out of his hands right about now in London Paris and even the states.

Other  people are also saying he is a snake whose just shed his skin as he use to work for the ex president of Zaire/RDC Kongo mobutu seseseko and was in charge of mobutos  secret services.

Anyway right now honourable guanda says he is a changed man with a new mission to unite the Kongolese people so that we can put up a defence against the Rwandan and Ugandan assault after we take over of cause.

I just wanted to get your opinion of the honourable Mr Guanda



Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: melaninmagic on December 11, 2005, 05:21:48 AM
Solution.

Use their hate against them is my solution. Collect as many of the hateful comments made by these individuals and post them in a seperate forum by themselves, excluding our comments. Yes the coments made will be infuriating, but they will offer a valuable source of knowledge to the less informed as to the REAL thoughts that are in the minds of these people. Denying entry is probably not a good idea.. Showing them up for who they really are is the best form of reverse psycology.

MelaninMagic


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: blackej on December 21, 2005, 11:05:40 AM
to respond to the notion that "white supremacists", i'd like to say that we should welcome their input. especially in a forum such as this, we need an honest account from members of the "ruling class". even if these pale people seek to discourage us from our path towards black nationalism, at least they're willing to speak about it, and not sweep it under the rug. and if we're not ready to confront the relatively small amount of pale men who are ready to speak in a forum such as this, we may as well forget about our common cause altogether. not to mention, if black and white nationalists both got their way right now, and we both recieved our respective countries or territories, who do you think the most high would favor more? to sum up, i say support the boldness of those pale men who are bold enough to argue with us here in our environment, because if we run them out of here, how can we possibly sharpen our skills enough to bring the average pale man out of hiding. dont make them go back into denial.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: Bantu_Kelani on January 20, 2006, 11:23:16 PM
to sum up, i say support the boldness of those pale men who are bold enough to argue with us here in our environment, because if we run them out of here, how can we possibly sharpen our skills enough to bring the average pale man out of hiding. dont make them go back into denial.

Hotep blackej,
 
I disagree. This site is one of the few places where Africans can come to be re-programmed. It’s the reason why I believe Africans need control all of the messages in our communities. We need to do it or we are going to continue to lose our self-esteem. Whites are consistently about the business of spreading death and confusion. It's their nature! DONT TRUST THE DEVIL, simplistic yet complex in terms of how he schemes. We need to deal with BLACK AFRICAN PEOPLE, us, first because we have problems no one else can fix, except us.

B.K


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: mwanaafrika on January 31, 2006, 04:39:07 AM

Brothers and sisters it can never be more clear than this. Take a cerefull look at our history and the present in Afrika and tha dispora and ask ya selfs- whos been letting us down every time we try progress ? Whos killing each other from the mother land to the street of America and whose getting poorer and dying from anger every day ?  the answer can never be simpler than our selves and its all bcoz the enemy is within and among us. Lets cut them as soon as we know them.

Our unity and development as a race, is there nite mare.
They don't want to see us progress for our misery is their joy and they will stop at nothing to perpetuate it for they want to remain superior, believe it or not. No doubt they will visit the site and see what we doing. Lets just try keep em off as much as we can and watch out the enemy within for they're a stab in the back and more dangerous than the white supremacist themselves. white agents and all the other names they are called, to me they are enemies, so lets put them on the enemy line and fight them better. They been using agents from slavery thru colonialism to todays globalisation/neo-colonialism.  Lets keep this community clean and chocolate by recognising, isolating and cutting off the enemy.

After all, this is our own Afro fight and it would be unrealistic to include the enemy.
keep it Afrikan/chocolate not black.


aluta kontinua !!!




Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: Ras Eliyah on February 06, 2006, 09:23:35 AM
jambo afrika.
it is not only about blackness but also about the wealth that africa has in abundance that is a threat to the white man. if the black man gets the right knowledge and spiritual nourishment, africa can go far. our problem is still in the leadership. they still embrace western ideologies including religion(christianity & islam). until africans throw away the religions that were used to enslave(islam) and colonise(christian) them, we will still be the last in the human race. a black man with his tough endurance can build bigger bridges, roads and skysrappers than those built by chinese who are the people to watch now.
my african heritage and ancestry is of more importance to me than the promises being made by the church in effect that we will go to heaven after death. AFRICA IS THE PROMISED LAND FOR MANKIND. WE HAVE IT ALL. GOLD DIAMONDS WATER TIMBER, EVERYTHING THAT MAN NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL IS FOUND IN AFRICA.
LONG LIVE AFRICA


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: RAHAMEEM on March 08, 2006, 03:54:09 PM
HERE IS A LINK TO ONE OF THEIR PRO WHITE NAZI RACIST SIGHTS "STORMFRONT"...DO WITH IT AS YOU WILL .


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: mwanaafrika on March 11, 2006, 09:04:37 AM

thanx for ya alert RAHAMEEM.


  EVERY1 STORMFRONT EXISTS, CHECK IT OUT FOR YOSELVES I ASSURE U YOU'LL BE MOVED.



KEEP IT AFRIKAN.

MWANAAFRIKA.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: RAHAMEEM on March 14, 2006, 12:53:06 PM
WHY DID YOU TAKE DOWN THE LINK TO STORMFRONT? http://www.stormfront.org  whats the problem?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: mwanaafrika on March 18, 2006, 01:47:43 PM
WHY DID YOU TAKE DOWN THE LINK TO STORMFRONT?

WHY NOT TAKE DOWN THE LINK.  WHAT DO U MEAN EXACTLY ?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: vsm on April 29, 2006, 10:54:13 AM
We need GOD, we need to learn to LOVE as He loved us !

If we pray HE HELPS us .


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: KADEKN on April 29, 2006, 05:17:50 PM
UPON READING THE MESSAGES OF VSM I BEGIN TO SAY TO MYSELF, WHY IS THIS PERSON ON THIS WEBSITE. THEY'RE ON SOME JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR JIM JONES JUICE WITH NEVER EVER ANYTHING RELEVANT TO SAY ABOUT AFRICAN CULTURE, PRIDE, LIBERATION, EDUCATION, OR UNITY. ITS THE SAME OLE  PROPAGANDA. BUT IT'S TO BE EXPECTED. WE ARE LITERALLY LIVING BEHIND ENEMY LINES. THERE WILL MOST DEFINITELY BE INFORMANTS.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: ooggooles on July 17, 2006, 05:59:03 PM
I like it when a white man comes in an talk his garbage that way I can know what he is all about. Thay way I can know his tactics. My ancestors took some of them as slaves and studies them for years. I am more that fimarliar with how some of them behave. But I don't get over confident, that could lead to diasterous mistakes. All I am saying is that if they want a fight I ain't got no fears. I wasn't supposed to make it to 14, 16, 18, 21, or 24 years. I done pass those times of trial and still going strong. Racist white-supremacist days will be over, soon I ain't got to wait long. 


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: will on December 18, 2007, 08:24:58 AM
i see no one has posted to this topic in quiet a while... What's up with that??? Is it no longer relevant????

Peace my Brothas....


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: Prometheus88 on December 18, 2007, 11:38:55 PM
Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supremacy!

Websites like Africaspeaks are places for Black Nationalism and Panafricanism. It is because of this that an increasing number of whites are joining this website to undermine this community. These individuals join black websites in general, but the PRO-BLACK especially. Whether they come as the Afrocentrist missionary or the extremist, both need to be recognized as agents of White Supremacy. They should be recognized, isolated, and cut off. We must stop white agents because all they want is to prevent black people interacting and exchanging ideas through powerful tools like the internet.

B.K


Do you people honestly think Im out to get you. I said if you want to know me find out for yourself. At this point I think its the only way. Personally Im on no mission of destruction. I only want to help what I have said in my most recent post is the most honest thing I have said in my life. People will obviously not believe because this is the internet and yes it is a powerful tool I admit that. Im just warning you people. If you want to fight white people you have to make sure the PRO-Black thing isn't so "extreme" in it's nature. The danger of extremism in this world is at an all time high. Just look at your news look at your American (Roman) news. I get enough of it here. Id suggest black people fight. Still Im fearing something will happen to black people. Your people are dying in Africa. Enough is enough. The Afrikaners must leave. The Rebel groups must be abolished, the UN must go. If you people want a new beginning fight for it, organize war is war and it never changes. As Sun Tzu said prepare to do the unexpected, things that have never been done before. Find the glory for yourself beat us. Just remember not to lose yourself in the process. War never ends when you pit a negative against a negative it's like Science, they don't attract do they? This also applys to the physical plane of existence. Fight evil with evil and you will lose. Remember, even white people are controlled by a higher power. It's hard to believe but I know it, I can feel it.

Don't forget that even white people where there to help in slavery. Ever heard of the underground railway which Canada freed black slaves? I won't get all nationalistic here but I would imagine freeing you from that even partially is a joyful experience. Ive felt the feeling of being free myself but not fully.

Nationalism itself is what divides us as humans. Abiding by the fact you where once great is in itself an enlightened concept but is it really worth it? If you people claim your not extreme why do I see posts comparing whites to melaninites and all these other abominations? Do you blacks find joy in this? Are you willing to become us if you fight us? Remember what Jus Allah has boasted about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_Allah)

http://www.sweetslyrics.com/492242.JUS%20ALLAH%20-%20White%20Nightmare.html

This brings me to my point. When does addiction itself become a mental disease?


Will black people want a shift of ages? Will you want to be the all powerful all knowing and all seeing ones? Will you want to control whites like we controlled you.

I know many of you are offended by me and I understand this. Im willing to accept that there is something wrong with white people, I don't like being a bad person.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: discipleofthenile on December 19, 2007, 09:38:46 AM
*******Do you people honestly think Im out to get you.*******

Who mentioned you by name?  Who singled you out?

Actually, your defensiveness exposed your true feelings.

*******I said if you want to know me find out for yourself. *******

Why would I give a damn about getting to know YOU when this forum is actually about ones getting to know Afrika and Afrikans.  Who are you?

I will tell you who you are without reading all of your biography.  You are an EGOTISTICAL white who has a sense of entitlement.

Why gives you the audacity to think that ANYONE gives a damn about getting to know you?

I notice that you boast about Scottish and Italian heritage.  Aren't there any Scottish/Italian Speaks websites out there to help you remind people that ***"even white people where there to help in slavery. Ever heard of the underground railway"***?

Yet you have been posting to "Africa Speaks" for a while.  Why is that the case instead of while Africa is Speaking, you are LISTENING?


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: wezekana on December 19, 2007, 11:22:39 AM
Pro-Rob-Killu,

I would like for you to, if you would, ponder what your response to the statement "Black Self Respect is the biggest threat to White Supremacy" might be.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: Prometheus88 on December 21, 2007, 11:27:47 PM
Yes I have an Ego, I hate it. Im working to loose it I have no wish to be like this anymore and should be a better person. Accepting people for who they are will be my greatest challenge. Black people have helped me see the light in this world I will admit that, but so have white people all races have shown me. Ill work to let go of my racist beliefs but even many of you will have to also. This means letting go of any great beliefs about yourself that will put you in a position of being superior to someone else of another race. By all means I hope blacks do stand up and show the white man you have had enough. Demanding fully equal rights and educating others on the dangers of racism should be your goal. Not believing  it, its alright to have pride for yourself as a people but going to far with it will lead you to some very racist beliefs. Like only accepting people from your own race as friends or refusing to even talk to a women of another color or race. Labeling  c Gods will also do this, It should not be taken as fact that Jesus is black or that "Allah" is black as Malcom X once said. These should only be depictions in an effort to bring you closer to these people. What does it matter what color these prophets where? They where enlightened individuals so there for they are not inerested in the advancement of there own race alone. 



Im trying to accept black people for who they are. It's ok if you have self-respect and pride for yourself it makes your people strong in the harshest of times. I myself am trying not to be racist anymore, no matter how hard I do try it doesn't work since I have some extreme views myself, which will offend many people. A black person who is aware of him/herself and where they truly came from will only better the world as a hole.

My biggest problem here was the Melanin theory and all these supremacist style beliefs, after I began to see less of many prominent individuals here with their beautiful superiority beliefs decreasing I was happy and began to express more of my own beliefs which obviously did not go well with any of you.  I have no problem with Africans wanting to be free and to know who they truly are, I encourage it. Blacks should stand up against the White oppressor, I have no problem with it at all. Superiority beliefs about yourself will only discredit you though. Everyone will turn against you if many black people suddenly think there the superior ones. Understand that much of human history is left unseen and all questions have not been answered. Im letting go of my racist beliefs and black people should do the same. Don't get me wrong I know whites are the underlying cause of this racially bias and oppressed world we live in. Racism has always existed and white people in no way started it. The rise of Empires in the ancient world prompted it. A time when all races where slaves, but blacks have been wronged the most many still remain in a chained slave mentality state of being.

Your also right about me and I have developed some type of "entitlement upon myself" it seems Im only out for the goals of myself caring about no one else but me. This has only developed because teachers have told me in the past that I am capable of obtaining good marks in school and I have began that. I guess the fact that I hold no hate against the black guys who beat me up in grade 9 does make me feel some what special. I shouldn't think this any longer and if I want to help myself and others then it should start with me, If Im fit and enlightened more myself. I am known to impose my beliefs upon others though, especially those of Islam or Islamic Fundamentals. Yes I do believe Im right about a lot of things. I know for a fact that religion is a form of control and has caused much hate throughout the world.

Ill stop being such a racist white guy, but If I see any type of racial superiority nonsense here then yes I will speak up. Anyway goodbye.

Black self respect and  Black people who are enlightened about the world themselves are a threat to the white establishment. I just want to make it clear that you can't change the world on your own and black people will need help from other people.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White S
Post by: Prometheus88 on December 22, 2007, 12:06:48 AM
Solution.

Use their hate against them is my solution. Collect as many of the hateful comments made by these individuals and post them in a seperate forum by themselves, excluding our comments. Yes the coments made will be infuriating, but they will offer a valuable source of knowledge to the less informed as to the REAL thoughts that are in the minds of these people. Denying entry is probably not a good idea.. Showing them up for who they really are is the best form of reverse psycology.

MelaninMagic


Including me I suppose? Use what I have posted at your will Melanin, its your decision. I used to be a very ignourant and extremley racist person. I was angry inside by what blacks have become and what they have done to me personally. From what was done to me I could have gotten black people in trouble with the police and I declined. Ive had some black friends. Most have hated me, all of them feared me at first but myself not knowing that I could not hold my own ground most of the time when I was in a fight. These are only out of the black guys I have met, I knew others where stronger than me as an individual. The oppressive system makes you strong and makes you stronger than most of the white population.

I have no wish for black people to be in jail or in trouble, I used to be a racist I used to have a small presence on white supremacy forums. My posts where always concerning the status of non-nordic Caucasians. As for stormfront, I made one post there maybe more when I was young and they where about my ethnicity as a white male. Im done explaining myself, This is what I believe. I have many racist friends myself especially arabs who try to change my view upon black people who say N***er often. My white friends have felt the same way and yes they have contributed to my racist beliefs but I usually liked to formulate my own relating it to all whites. Im trying not to be racist and it's hard not to sometimes but if any of you really want to use my posts as an example and spreading it everywhere, all the offensive and racist things I have said then by all means GO ahead.

Just remember than my presence here was originally a rebutal to BLACK SUPREMECY. BLACK RACISM. BLACKS BELIEVING THEY ARE SUPREME LIKE WHITES DO. Im not that racist KKK or Neo-Nazi wannabe. I distance my self from that as well and I deny it. Im aware many whites are horrible and greedy people but I know personally I that I don't fall into that category. When I first came here I saw many blacks supporting there racial beliefs and why there the superior ones and this made me want to believe in white supremecy more and more after seeing that blacks actually believe things like this.


Use what I have said as your great example, use other posts on Stormfront. I hold no affiliation to Stormfront and when I did it was at a time when I was young.


Title: Re: Pro-Blackness is the biggest threat to White Supre
Post by: will on December 24, 2007, 03:49:39 AM
jambo afrika.
it is not only about blackness but also about the wealth that africa has in abundance that is a threat to the white man. if the black man gets the right knowledge and spiritual nourishment, africa can go far. our problem is still in the leadership. they still embrace western ideologies including religion(christianity & islam). until africans throw away the religions that were used to enslave(islam) and colonise(christian) them, we will still be the last in the human race. a black man with his tough endurance can build bigger bridges, roads and skysrappers than those built by chinese who are the people to watch now.
my african heritage and ancestry is of more importance to me than the promises being made by the church in effect that we will go to heaven after death. AFRICA IS THE PROMISED LAND FOR MANKIND. WE HAVE IT ALL. GOLD DIAMONDS WATER TIMBER, EVERYTHING THAT MAN NEEDS FOR SURVIVAL IS FOUND IN AFRICA.
LONG LIVE AFRICA

L E A D E R S H I P has always been our problem.. For too many centuries, our leaders have had this LOVE-AFFAIR with WHITE-PEOPLE... They want us to stay close to them, and to seek acceptance from them, as we continue to buy and use  their consumer products that were made from our raw materials, and most of all, our LEADERSHIP & Men of Prominence remains "crazy about maintaining access to their WOMEN"....

i ask, What does their WOMEN have that our's don't??? What can their WOMEN do that our's can't??? Why has EURO-CENTRICITY triumphed our own AFRICAN culture????

When we start speaking their language, using their products, accepting their standards and worshiping their GODS, then we have lost the battle... We are no longer AFRICAN....  We've become them on the inside.... When we start to straighten our HAIR and BLEACHing our SKIN, then we've definitely gone too far...

We need to check ourselves... We don't need them... We have all that we need already... Open your eyes and look around you.... All you see everywhere in AFRICA, in positions of authority & prominence, are non-AFRICANS enjoying themselves and living large in our HOME-LAND while we continue to starve & to beg them for hand-outs....

They are flat-out RAPING all of us... And we allow them too...

Very soon, if we are not careful, we will be living on a CONTINENT that no longer has an AFRICAN majority.... Look at the SUDAN...  Slowly indigenous-AFRICANS are being killed and/or driven from their homelands by a well armed Muslim minority...  This is GENOCIDE.. The whole world is watching and doing NOTHING... Our 50+ presidents ARE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TO HELP SAVE THE SUDANESE PEOPLE'S  COUNTRY....  These people are being chased from one Muslim controlled Country to another Muslimcontrolled country...  What's that all about???

The Northern-most States of AFRICA are all falling under Islamaic control... They are pushing steadily SOUTH... How far SOUTH will we LET THEM COME before we TAKE ACTION???? What STATE will be the NEXT to fall????

We can do better than this.... All we need is better governance.... We need to sit down and talk, and to decide how to do for oureselves that which we have asked others (WHITES, Chinese or Muslims) to do for us.. Why do we keep asking them??? How long will our current LEADERSHIP beg them, before they figure out that NEITHER ain't helping us do anything????

We keep asking & begging for years to no avail... They keep laughing at us and having a good time using up all our raw materials and natural resources, as they continue the encroachment upon our LANDS... Many AFRICANS believe that we can't make it without the WHITE MANS help; well i ask, ARE WE MAKING IT NOW???  Are we any better off today than we were before WHITES ever came to AFRICA???

Are things getting better for us as a whole??? Or, are they only getting better for a few???? Our LEADERS and PROMINENT CITIZENS are doing good for themselves, but what about the REST OF US???? Who's going to look-out for us??? Surely, our current crop of 50+ presidents won't be able to do anything because they've cut us up into too many small pieces...  No one individual piece is strong enough to safe-guard it's people...  Any group with more GUNS can come in at any time to threaten us, and to take away our LIBERTY'S...

We need BIGGER UNIONS, more treaties and pact with one another for protection and for aid... We need Joint-Projects that help to stabilize REGIONS... When we ORGANIZE, we can do more for ourselves, than anyone else has proven that they want to do for us... What do we need 50+ presidents for??? NONE... Not a one can provide for all it's PEOPLE...  Why not a Multi-Tribal Alliance, committed to the concept of "One for all - all for one"...

An alliance that's committed to making All-AFRICAN solutions - rather than GLOBAL SOLUTIONS... We take care of us, and let them take care of themselves...  Many of the EUROPEAN countries that control major AFRICAN regions are much smaller in size & population that the AFRICAN STATES they control... If we stopped them from dipping into our pot, they would fall flat on their faces and die...  Instead, we allow them to live off us while our love ones are dying...

They are not looking out for us, so why should we be committed to looking out for them???? Just taking care of our own is going to be one BIG J O B...

We need to stop being so selfish individually and to start thinking LONG-TERM.. And to start thinking S U R V I V A L..