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Title: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on October 23, 2008, 10:41:20 AM
I read the article about White Rastas being encouraged to reason up, and figured I'd start a thread on it.

One thing I know, is that it's hard for white people to give up power, especially those of us who have no worldly power, and have instead been oppressed and held down by our own fellow white people. 

Then some black folks tell us that it's white folks who are to blame for black peoples problems, lumping those of us who've been victimized by other white people, in with those misguided whites doing the victimizing.

There are a lot of mistreated white people in this world, who were held down, abused and kept in poverty by other white people, so alienating us by attacking all white people as a group is inaccurate and counterproductive.

As the nyabinghi said, the problem is oppressors (or "downpressors"), whether they be black or white, so that's where the discussion should focus... not on race or skin color, but on righteousness and unrighteousness, and who is committing which.

I also disagree that we should wish death on anyone.  It's beneath us as Rastas, who are held to a higher standard in thought, motive, speech and conduct.

I'm not saying that I've never indulged in hateful thoughts of ill will towards those that hurt me, but when I did it just lowered me and my state of consciousness as a person, and decreased my ability to reach the unenlightened person with reason and compassion.

There's an old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

Meaning that you reach and effect more people in a positive way when you use postive methods.  Almost all people naturally recoil from negativity.

Our goal should be to make the world a better place, by leading ourselves and others away from selfish, ignorant and destructive thinking and actions... our goal should not to be to punish, frighten or hurt anyone.

Punishment comes from within, by the conviction of the awakening holy spirit of God (Jah) Love within a person... so we should strive to awaken that spirit slowly, gently and lovingly, so as not to hurt anyone.

There has been enough pain in this world... let's strive to soothe that pain and heal the destructive effects of it which we've seen and felt all around us.

Peace.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on October 23, 2008, 06:49:10 PM
I'm happy to hail the King of Kings, Almighty God, Emperor Haile Selassie I.

But let's also remember that Ras Tafari said that "religion is a private matter" and that "men and women of different faiths should work together".  Let us not delve too deeply into other peoples religion, which is a private matter between them and the Most High God, whichever name they choose to call HIM, and whichever path they choose to approach HIM from.

By refraining from arguing over religion, we can get on with the business of working together with our fellow human beings in good faith, to make our world, our human family, our lives, and our earthly home, the best that they can be.

We've got a lot of work to do, because racism, militarism, materialism, religious hatred, immorality, unnaturality and unrighteousness are still in abundance upon the Earth, and it's going to take all of us working together in good faith to spread the truth of One Love to our brothers and sisters of whatever skin shade they may happen to be, and wherever on Earth they happen to reside.

Some possible goals, under the guidance of The Most High God, Jah, Ras Tafari, are Peace, Love, Righteousness, Joy, Clean Food, Clean Water, Health, Education, Rewarding Work, Clothing and Shelter for all the peoples of the Earth.

There are so many of our brothers and sisters in our human family going without these things right now, and if we work together, we can surely solve these problems, and raise ourselves, our brothers and sisters, and our planet, up to the level where Jah wants it to be.

Who among you is willing to come together and engage in discussion to put aside our past differences, resolve our current misunderstandings, and come to mutual understanding as to how we can work together to make our lives and the lives of our fellow human beings on this planet better?

I look forward to reasoning up and working with you all, and am very happy to meet you all.

Let me first start by extending an apology for the injustices and brutalities of the racism that has been displayed towards black people by many white nations and political systems.  The sins of the past can never be wished away, but with the help of Almighty God, only forgiven, and learned from, so that they are never repeated again.

If there are any questions or concerns that anyone has, let us come together to discuss and address them, so that we can build the trust and understanding that is so essential towards mutual co-operation.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: orangerevolt on October 26, 2008, 11:43:55 AM
     You have some points. And I could be misunderstanding what you are saying. For the most part I agree. But the "white privilege" is more than just that. It is not so much of what you feel and experience. It is more about what you are privileged not to feel and experience. If someone is white (as it is commonly understood) then that person could very easily go through the whole day without having to worry about whether racism actually exists or not. That person could come in contact with a person from every walk of life, but that is different than being constantly reminded that racism is a continuing problem. So it is not so much that one man puts down another man. It is more than that. Let me try to explain.

   If there is a job interview, a 'white' person will automatically assume that they will generally be liked unless they do something which causes others to go against them. If you of color, then it is the opposite, you do not make that assumption, and you worry more about proving that you are not like the rest of 'them''. They don't have to think about how the person interviewing them, will react when they learn that they are not white. This same person, would expect to be treated with a certain amount of respect by strangers. If they are not, it is assumed that the stranger was having a bad day, or that is how they treat all people, either way, they know that the comment or disrespect was about them specifically and don't have to worry about whether it was racist or not.

     And then think of something as simple as speech. No matter how intelligent or not intelligent a white person may be, the speech patterns are in a manner that automatically associates them with dominance in society. The same with writing, to a person of color, in many places it is taken as a surprise that that person is capable of such a thing. A white person enjoys the encouragement of teachers, it is not something that is written off as a waste of time.

     And it comes down to more than that. A white person lives in the same world they work in. In most cases there is no worries about a sub-culture and the dominant one. There is never a worry of a white person having to look too European or they might loose their job. A white person can look like crap one day with hair a mess and only sweatpants on they are not taken for some criminal. It's the total opposite case if you are not white.

     So it is more than just white people playing down others. It is things that as white, you don't have to think about.... are privileged not to think about. I hope that helps....or even contributes. Sorry if I totally misinterpreted what you were trying to say.

Peace... in HIS name


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on November 10, 2008, 09:31:19 AM
Did you notice how the moment we started talking about religion the whole conversation devolved and nothing concrete got accomplished?

Religion is a personal matter.  We are all free to believe and not believe what we want in the realm of religion.

Let's focus on practical matters, and on getting real things accomplished.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on January 02, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
I have always wondered why it is that whenever a discussion or forum is created to discuss the effects of 400+ years of oppression and violence due to the system of racism/white supremacy, targeted on the ascendants of Afrikan ('Black') slaves by 'White' people,, 'White' people, without fail,  somehow manage to divert attention to the injustices they have suffered, all be they trifling in comparison.

Then some black folks tell us that it's white folks who are to blame for black peoples problems, lumping those of us who've been victimized by other white people, in with those misguided whites doing the victimizing.

There are a lot of mistreated white people in this world, who were held down, abused and kept in poverty by other white people, so alienating us by attacking all white people as a group is inaccurate and counterproductive.

Why is this Eric D?


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Iniko Ujaama on January 03, 2009, 04:20:34 PM
I do agree with you melaninmagic concerning the tendency to diversion and very much appreciate the perspective (elaboration on the depth of the implication of racism) shared here by orangerevolt. It must be understood that racism is not just something that happened in the past and disappeared, nor is it something which we of this generation are totally untouched by in our everyday experiences and in our consciousness. Our biases run so deep into the crevices of our being. Colourism(as welll as other biases...sexism etc) is far from gone from the consciousness of many Africans including myself much less racist biases in the consciousness of Caucasians who can comfortably harbour those in the present world context.  It is important to appreciate the depth of its effects on our consciousness and that of others for us to begin to crawl out of it and "come together". It will be difficult to properly assist in curbing the world's problems if we are carrying around these pieces of baggage.

Further, with regard to religion and I do agree with Erik D. that it is a personal matter. However we should be naive about the extent to which biases ingrained in the World's dominant religions pervade every aspect of our societies; how the assumptions and dogmas of such affect our ability to reason various issues. Some examples would be the kind of matter of fact denigration of African Religion, the debasement and disempowerment of women, denial of the common black origin etc etc. While i do not think ones need to attack others on their particular form of worship,  would it not be relevant in reasoning generally to look at the historical contexts of the views which pervade our societies (and even result in biases against other forms of religion)? Also should we not also interrogate the role of such religions in oppression historically and currently.

I think there are many issues which maintain prime significance to reason before we talk about being one happy family. We should be wary of trying to engage in a oneness while leaving the reality of our biases and the very important issues out the door and not reasoned out. I think much of this has been reasoned on before, but it is always a new reasoning. perhaps it may help, Erik D for you to check out this article

http://www.rootsie.com/articles/2004/1906.html (http://www.rootsie.com/articles/2004/1906.html)

I do hope it sheds some light
I U


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Hon Joshua I on January 13, 2009, 07:00:19 AM
Blessed love my Lord and Empress. Do give thanks for life and the mighty life giver, Holy Emmanuel I Selassie I Jah Rastafari. Man say there are only two worlds, the Black world and the white world. One would have to make a decision where one stands in this last judgement, and to the bredren who start this thread, overstand that one can be caucasian and NOT white, still. Can the I's sight what I am trying to say? Black Christ Salvation stand for all, Holy Emmanuel I Selassie I Jah Rastafari! Just hold the RIGHT and let go the wrong. Give thanks for your patient hearing and overstanding. Blessed Love


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: afrikanrebel06 on January 24, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
I have always wondered why it is that whenever a discussion or forum is created to discuss the effects of 400+ years of oppression and violence due to the system of racism/white supremacy, targeted on the ascendants of Afrikan ('Black') slaves by 'White' people,, 'White' people, without fail,  somehow manage to divert attention to the injustices they have suffered, all be they trifling in comparison.

Then some black folks tell us that it's white folks who are to blame for black peoples problems, lumping those of us who've been victimized by other white people, in with those misguided whites doing the victimizing.

There are a lot of mistreated white people in this world, who were held down, abused and kept in poverty by other white people, so alienating us by attacking all white people as a group is inaccurate and counterproductive.

Why is this Eric D?




I AGREE WITH YOU,MELANIM MAGIC. IT IS BECAUSE THE NEGROES IN THIS SITE,DONT CHECK DEM, THEY CANT STEP INTO ME, JUST LIKE THAT, THE PROBLEM IS THAT EUROPEANS,ARABS AND ASIANS ARE PILLAGING THE WORLDS LARGEST MINERAL RESOURCES,THE HIDDEN HANDS ARE THE  THE ILLUMINATI HIGH FINANCES,JEWS AS ONE  WALL STREET INVESTOR BOUGHTA BIG 400 000 ACRERS OF LAND IN SOUTHERN SUDAN, IF WHITE PEOPLE JOIN THIS SITE, ADMINS AND MODS ARE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, SCREW DEM THEY HAVENT SUFFERED ANYTHING, BUT HAVE ONLY RAPED,TORTURED AND MAIMED, NATIVES,AFRIKANS AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR,THEY ARE NOT HYGIENIC,THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HERE HAVENT READ YURUGU,BY MARIMBA ANI. f*** ERIC D,BECAUSEA CRACKA IS CRACKA, NO MATTER WHAT,I HAVE IDENTIFIED THE ENEMIES OF ANKHEBURAN,AFRIKA, AMAMWHITES,ARABS,PERSIANS


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on January 26, 2009, 03:46:42 AM
Greetings

I have always wondered why it is that whenever a discussion or forum is created to discuss the effects of 400+ years of oppression and violence due to the system of racism/white supremacy, targeted on the ascendants of Afrikan ('Black') slaves by 'White' people,, 'White' people, without fail,  somehow manage to divert attention to the injustices they have suffered, all be they trifling in comparison.

Then some black folks tell us that it's white folks who are to blame for black peoples problems, lumping those of us who've been victimized by other white people, in with those misguided whites doing the victimizing.

There are a lot of mistreated white people in this world, who were held down, abused and kept in poverty by other white people, so alienating us by attacking all white people as a group is inaccurate and counterproductive.

Why is this Eric D?


Most of the time (white) people do this when they expect everyone to feel sorry for them, thus shifting the attention to them. They like hogging the spotlight.

I think the misunderstanding when topics like colorism and racism are discussed, people tend to think that we, blacks, are feeling sorry for ourselves, and whereas that is not the case. We are simply dealing with issues that affect us directly. Whites arent necessarily faced with such things on a daily basis. Maybe classism. Even gender discrimination has alleviated a bit. So people in general need to overstand why such matters are discussed frequently. We need to vent as much as possible, so people may get the big main picture.

My question is that, do you think that if a white person is filthy rich or part of the elite that controls the masses, he would even think of giving this forum the time of day? May be. I dont think so. You see the point is that, whites who complain about "blacks...lumping those of us who've been victimized by other white people, in with those misguided whites doing the victimizing." as Erik D put it, only need to be rich, I mean stinking rich to escape being victimized by the system. You are already white. You dont have much to worry about. Although still being kept captive (mentally) within the system. People of color on the other hand, more so blacks, have a lot of work. You go through racism, colorism, sexism, classism and African identity crisis. It hurts even more when all this is coming from those who are suppsedly your bredren and sistren. Your fellow educated black-middle class people.

Kgotso le Lerato
Keneilwe


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 02, 2009, 11:46:59 PM
MelaninMagic,

My post was not about comparing sufferings, but of illustrating that many white people drawn to Ras Tafari are drawn so because they have experienced the flaws of the Babylon system personally (though not for being black), and so feel a kinship in spirit with others who have been victimized by that same system, and want to work together to change it.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 03, 2009, 12:28:23 AM
That article by Rootsie, insulting Ras Adam, a man I don't know and have never met, but who appears to have made efforts to spread Rasta consciousness... that article was very ill conceived.  The accusations in it come across as condescending and borderline treacherous.

Jah Ras Tafari calls and chooses men and women of different races for HIS purposes, not your purposes, so it is not your place to question someone elses presence in Ras Tafari consciousness circles, provided their behaviour is not belligerent, destructive or divisive.

The problems we face on this planet AS A HUMAN RACE are systemic and logistical... they are not the fault of particular individual light skinned Rastas and what is or is not presumably in their unconscious.

Racism and hate exist all over, in all ethnic and religious groups... whites killing whites in Europe, blacks killing blacks in Africa, whites killing blacks in Russia,  blacks killing whites in Zimbabwe, Muslims, Christians and Jews killing each other in the Middle East... we've got a world full of problems, caused by insane people from every racial, ethnic and religious group, so please, let us refrain from attacking other individual members of this site or any Rasta or peace movements, particularly with skin tone based attacks.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: afrikanrebel06 on February 03, 2009, 04:59:39 AM
 ::)  are we supposed to feel sorry for you erick d, or cry for u ::) history has shown time and time again the evil of that whiteman is, also the tamahu and anu is described in dogon cosmology as evil,your ancestors have raped,tortured,maimed and killed people, now,they use by the means of proxy wars,u have stolen our cultural artifacts,manuscripts and many more,many of you european descedants have desecrated the sacred burrial grounds of our ancestors,the sarcophagus of our ancestors, introduced small pox to the indigenous populations, introduced aids/hiv virus to kill off afrikan populations, by the way, guns are not manufactured in the ghettoes of amerikkka, latin amerika, central amerikkka, it is amerikkka,britain selling weapon,white people is part of problem and not part of the solution, because all yall do is to patronize us and minimize our sufferings,heck we have jews making up numbers,judaism started in afrika, judaism is not a race,more than 50 million afrikans died because arabs and europeans, trans atlantic slave trade, trans saharan slave trade,king leopolds reign of terror 35 million afrikans died,everyday somewhere in amerikkka somebody is being brutalized by racist cops,who has brought crack into our communities? white people,who has killed lots of our social activists and put them in jail? white people( man) who has raped our foremothers in the slave plantation? whiteman,who hung and castrated blackman in the south? whiteman,
who firebombed, church in the south? whiteman,the list goes on and on,if white kills white,thats fatricide,i dont care, actually,they will be helping us to rid themselves from the face of the planet, if they kill us, it is genocide,africans are killing africans because,there is middleman involved, called european or whiteman, who will sell  weapons to one group and the other and then watch on the sidelines, the other factor is that white arabs are also killing afrikans,as i said i have identified the enemies of afrikan peoples, arabs,europeans,chinese and uncle tom sell outs.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 03, 2009, 08:49:51 AM

Jah Ras Tafari calls and chooses men and women of different races for HIS purposes, not your purposes, so it is not your place to question someone elses presence in Ras Tafari consciousness circles, provided their behaviour is not belligerent, destructive or divisive.

The problems we face on this planet AS A HUMAN RACE are systemic and logistical... they are not the fault of particular individual light skinned Rastas and what is or is not presumably in their unconscious.

Rasta is a black, dealing with black problems.
What I’ve learnt from the majority of whites, and blacks (white souls in black skins – slaves, which ever tickles your fancy) on this board, is that they feel they have every right in the world to “have” their way here.

It’s so easy to say, we are all going through the same problems. On which on face value it may seem so, but the depths of racism are often misunderstood. Racism, colorism and classism still and have always played a major role in the “divide and rule” mechanism. You come with this one love thing that was possibly made famous by Bob Marley. Rasta is serious business. Every angry real black African/Rasta has every right to question the motives of whites and coconuts that want to mingle with them. You tricked us before, you cannot do it again.

You have no clue what blacks go through on a daily basis. Even I, as a black woman cannot tell anyone how to feel or react. Your mentality that “I didn’t do it, my ancestors did – why blame me for their actions?” or “my ancestors were also oppressed by other whites” will always get you burnt on this forum. Your knee-jerk reaction says it all. Why not humble yourself?
You come in a man’s house, and tell him how to run his household…that is just wrong. I don’t think that you would let another do that to you. You kicked us down before, your father’s system still does that even today, and then you still have the odesity to tell us how to react to that kick, tell us when and how to feel the pain. Your stubbornness is pathetic.

I’m people on this board are willing to assist you in overstanding such matters. We need to regain trust amongst ourselves before we can start fighting for everyone else. Else we'll never get over killing each other, but instead we'll continue fighting on behalf of the oppressor to wipe ourselves out. As much as we are the HUMAN RACE, we first need to save the BLACK RACE first, just like the WHITE RACE and all other races fight for theirs to keep WHITE PRIVILEDGE going. We fight for Our IDENTITY, for the sake of our ancestors who were ripped off theirs. If us fighting for what's right for us, why question it? If that to you means BLACK SUPREMAC, then so be it. WHITE SUPREMACY is on-going. And so is Arab Muslim Supremacy is also strong. So why not BLACK SUPREMACY.

Kgotso (Peace)


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 03, 2009, 02:49:50 PM
and so feel a kinship in spirit with others who have been victimized by that same system, and want to work together to change it.

The most effective way for a white person to halt this corrupt, perverse European-made system is not to grow rasta locks and integrate with the power-LESS and oppressed non-white peoples of the world, but instead, to infiltrate and integrate with the power-FULL and oppressive white people, and effect positive change by undermining and collapsing their system of exploitation from within. You are the only ones capable of doing this.

In essence, you'd be doing a far greater service to the oppressed peoples of this planet if you use your white privilege to collapse the system from the inside.

I am MAD tired of you white folk integrating with Afrikan High-Kulture, while  exploiting it for your benefit. It is quite obvious that all you are really attempting to do is use Afrikan culture as a crutch to help you sleep better at night, when horrors of what your direct descendants have done to Afrikan peoples is revealed to you for the first time in your sheltered lives.

I excercise zero tolerance for that type of bullshit. For real.



Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 03, 2009, 09:11:13 PM
So many diverse posts.

If the owners of this forum want to get anything accomplished here, some moderation of these discussions might be in order.

Regarding African high culture... all people come from Africa... specifically Ethiopia.

The human race is one big family, whether people want to acknowledge that or not.

Why not black supremacy, in response to white supremacy?

Because countering one untruth with another untruth doesn't solve anything.

Only the Truth can overcome untruth.

Regarding my ancestors... they didn't own slaves or profit from slavery.  They were forced to come to North America by the king of France, because he wanted to use them as soldiers to fight the English, and breeding stock to populate colonized territory... specifically Canada.

After the wars between the kings of France and England finally ended, my ancestors returned to living off the land, trapping and trading furs with the Native Americans (Indians), with some intermarrying, and they eventually making their way down to New England to work in the textile mills.

My ancestors have been poor and working class people for all of our generations as far back as I can trace.

So, to insult me and other white people that you don't really know is ignorant and counterproductive.

That being said, I'll probaby refrain from posting to this thread anymore, unless other posters can remain logical, because there's nothing to be gained from trading insults and hostility.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 04, 2009, 07:12:38 AM
So many diverse posts.

If the owners of this forum want to get anything accomplished here, some moderation of these discussions might be in order.

Another white man having the need to tell us Africans what to do on ce again. Why are you so arrogant and ignorant?
Whether or not your ancestors owned slaves or not...point is you and your "good people who were brought here by the king of france  ??? seriously WTF" still benefit from this white supremacist system. Your skin color is your ticket to "free ride".

Regarding African high culture... all people come from Africa... specifically Ethiopia.

Africa for Africans. Black Africans.
I'm sure you do not simbolise an African man, or act or think like one either. So how do you claim to be African, just bcoz some one said so a long time ago.

The human race is one big family, whether people want to acknowledge that or not.
As melaninmagic said, which I completly agree. That's the only way you fight the system


The most effective way for a white person to halt this corrupt, perverse European-made system is not to grow rasta locks and integrate with the power-LESS and oppressed non-white peoples of the world, but instead, to infiltrate and integrate with the power-FULL and oppressive white people, and effect positive change by undermining and collapsing their system of exploitation from within. You are the only ones capable of doing this.

In essence, you'd be doing a far greater service to the oppressed peoples of this planet if you use your white privilege to collapse the system from the inside.

Regarding my ancestors... they didn't own slaves or profit from slavery.  They were forced to come to North America by the king of France, because he wanted to use them as soldiers to fight the English, and breeding stock to populate colonized territory... specifically Canada.

Oh shame. That's about the only thing that went wrong for your family.  :'( ??? :'(
After the wars between the kings of France and England finally ended, my ancestors returned to living off the land, trapping and trading furs with the Native Americans (Indians), with some intermarrying, and they eventually making their way down to New England to work in the textile mills.

So some racial mixing means you or family are not necessarily racist ???
White people don't usually do this for heck of it, it's usually something they can and will benefit from.  [smiley=beam.gif]

So, to insult me and other white people that you don't really know is ignorant and counterproductive.

I'm sure you'll get over it. Your ego was not bruised, surely you saw that one coming. [smiley=2thumbsup.gif]

That being said, I'll probaby refrain from posting to this thread anymore, unless other posters can remain logical, because there's nothing to be gained from trading insults and hostility.
Man please, do us that favor. If you cant stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Typical white mentality. If you dont get your way, you throw your toys out of your court. We could really do much better without people like you.

Hotep.
K


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 04, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
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Whether or not your ancestors owned slaves or not...point is you and your "good people who were brought here by the king of france  ??? seriously WTF" still benefit from this white supremacist system. Your skin color is your ticket to "free ride".

The only free rides I know of are given to people of color, "minorities", who are eligible for affirmative actions jobs, education, business loans, and government contracts, simply because of their ethnicity.

Those are the only free rides I know of in America.

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Oh shame. That's about the only thing that went wrong for your family.  :'( ??? :'(

The point was that my ancestors didn't own slaves.  You seem to have a problem with basic logic and cognitive functioning, seeing in peoples words what you want to see, instead of what's actually there.

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So some racial mixing means you or family are not necessarily racist ???
White people don't usually do this for heck of it, it's usually something they can and will benefit from.

Your sarcasm and intentionally provocative hostility indicate that you are not really a progressive minded person, but a regressive minded person latching onto progressive spiritual concepts like Ras Tafari as a vehicle to construct some false notion of self importance.

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Man please, do us that favor. If you cant stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Typical white mentality. If you dont get your way, you throw your toys out of your court. We could really do much better without people like you.

Actually, the black race would be better off without petty, ignorant, small minded incompetents like you purporting to speak for their group interests.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 04, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
It is good that your true colors have finally been revealed. There is no denying what your real intentions are now. You serve as a text book example of the average 'white liberal' falsely claiming to have noble intentions.

I sincerely hope that readers of this thread have been paying close attention. Individuals such as this are the norm and not the exception.

We need to develop extreme selectivity in who we allow to enter our innermost circle of trust.

There really is nothing more that needs to be said here.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 04, 2009, 05:32:31 PM
Just read through the whole thread and see for yourself where the insults and hostility originated.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 06, 2009, 04:31:36 AM
Just read through the whole thread and see for yourself where the insults and hostility originated.

***yawn***
Don't expect any apologies. I don't budge easily. Your whining won't get you anyway. As I said b4, if you cannot handle the hostility (which we have every right to be), then leave, and don't let the door hit you on your way out. You cannot just come here and make the rules and expect everyone to abide by them.

Oh and by the way...
There are a lot of mistreated white people in this world, who were held down, abused and kept in poverty by other white people, so alienating us by attacking all white people as a group is inaccurate and counterproductive.

Why not form your own community of white "oppressed", which you are not. Whites are exploited. Instead of forcing your way in our community and expecting us to welcome you with open simply bcoz you we are all sailing in the same boat :-\ ;oppressed by the same white people ???
I bet you wouldn't be telling them what you telling us now...Black people are too forgiving, and that's our downfall. And white people play on our emotions coz they know we are soft. I mean you are throwing your weight around bcoz you think you are "not racist". Man please.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 06, 2009, 12:41:42 PM
Hotep EmpresKeneilwe,

The most disturbing thing here is that this individual is locking his hair and going around purporting to be a rastafarian bringing good tidings, when in truth, is bringing nothing but deception.

Notice the way he presented himself in his initial postings, and how different he appears now; nothing more than an exposed wolf dressed in sheep clothing.

A systematic technique needs to be developed to exorcise these demons from within our midst or we will not stand a chance.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: afrikanrebel06 on February 07, 2009, 04:30:23 AM
greetings queen afrikanrebel is in the house, i am amazed that the men in this site is silent and complascent
 indeed this descedant of king albert,king george and other rapists and child molestors,have the nerve to come here and insult us,by saying that the only free rides he knows is minorities on welfare and etc,u better return to the caves of europe, because europeans were savages as david pinkerton once mentioned on the book race and manifested destiny,the celts,danes and slaves were savages,i dont give two cents shit or rats asses who  your ancestors were ERICK D, all i know,they were rapists,child molestors and pedophiles.it is in the genes of kaukasian race to be dysfunctional, child molestors,rapist and pedophiles,when ur ancestors came out of the cave, they didnt know how to be bath,it is known that europeans dont have hygienic habits,
and during medievale times, europeans never bathed,it was the moorish that civilized europe,your ancestors were the one who brought small pox in a blanket for the native people, who raped young boys and young girls,
u are roach erick d, and i step on roachs like you, maggots,i will mowe you down,because i got plenty of amo iwith me,to prove to you that your ancestors were criminals and assassins,europeans are buying land all of africa,i have no sympathy for you erick d, nor your ancestors, i am shitting on your grandmothers grave, in your great grandmothers grave, i am shitting on your grandfathers grave. and your great grandfathers grave, and pissing on it while at it,because they were maggots just like you.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 07, 2009, 01:49:50 PM
Empress, I just said what I thought would irritate people here, because they irritated me first with their personal attacks.  Whether affirmative action is just or not, I really don't care, because this entire civilization is corrupt to the core, run by the Illuminati behind the scenes, and on the verge of collapse.

Melanmagic, you, I believe, are one of the people that insulted me first here, and so I got angry and insulted and provoked others in return.  If you can't see the amount of negativity directed at me before I returned negativity, then you are probably not capable of understanding much else.

AfrikanRebel, you are just talking crazy garbage.  You don't know me, my ancestors, or who I'm related to, so you're just talking nonsense.  The foolishness you speak is no different than those who falsely claim that "all black people are like such and such"... it's just illogical.  You sound like an escaped mental patient.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 09, 2009, 10:02:35 AM
Empress, I just said what I thought would irritate people here, because they irritated me first with their personal attacks.  Whether affirmative action is just or not, I really don't care, because this entire civilization is corrupt to the core, run by the Illuminati behind the scenes, and on the verge of collapse.

Melanmagic, you, I believe, are one of the people that insulted me first here, and so I got angry and insulted and provoked others in return.  If you can't see the amount of negativity directed at me before I returned negativity, then you are probably not capable of understanding much else.

You are so petty. throwing a tantrum. I've wasted my time enuf. Peace!

Keneilwe


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 10, 2009, 11:41:30 AM
Nothing will ever be accomplished with insults and hostility.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 10, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Never heard anything about white privilege before, but this video is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc&feature=related

There's no need to hate people for not understanding these things immediately.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Tracey on February 10, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
Tim Wise is an excellent resource for learning more about "white privilege."

http://www.timwise.org/


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Marbles on February 11, 2009, 04:55:37 AM
Hello, I am white.
 
  afrikanrebel06 I have read many of the articles you have posted in the spirituality section. The article about Dogon cosmology was great. I knew only a little bit about the Dogon people and their knowledge of the universe before reading it.

If anyone has any questions about me please ask I love to answer. If anyone would like to hear an opinion from an open minded non-as$hole white man then please ask me.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 11, 2009, 09:25:53 AM
Greetings Marbles,

I have a question...

What are your thoughts on the requirement that reparations be paid by European/Euro-American governments to the various African countries within the continent of Africa, as well as to those descendants within the African Diaspora for their involvement and profit from the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade?

I would be delighted to hear your reasoning on this topic.

Thanks.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 11, 2009, 11:18:22 AM
I came here to reason, simply asking not to be insulted, and one of your posters called me a "cracker".

Please delete my posts and my account.

Thank you.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Marbles on February 11, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
Ahhh you got me with a tough question right away. I really am not sure about reparations. I'm pretty sure that money can't make up for an entire history of colonization and repression. I think it might be a nice gesture, but to me it feels like someone is saying "Sorry about all of that, here is some money".  I think I would rather see "the powers that be" rewrite the history books to reflect what actually happened in history. To me knowledge and truth is far more important than money.

In my country, Canada, the government recently gave money to many aboriginal people. The money was given to Natives who had been abused and ill treated at the many "residential schools" that were set up by the racist governments of the past.
In the past Natives were taken from their parents, and placed in schools with white teachers, not allowed to speak their own native tongue or learn about their native heritage. They were abused sexually, mentally, and physically at these residential schools.  Many of the people who were forced to attend these schools are no longer alive. Many of the people who recieved this money from the government are quite old now. I believe they recieved something like $10,000 dollars (canadian  :-\)   Does this make up for what happened? Not for me.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 11, 2009, 04:32:07 PM
Your response is much appreciated.

It appears from your previous response that you do not agree with how these oppressive governments have handled the problems they have created...

I believe they recieved something like $10,000 dollars (canadian  :-\)   Does this make up for what happened? Not for me.

In your opinion, what do you suppose these European/Euro-America/White governments SHOULD have been doing to correct the gross historical inequities they have placed upon non-white nations the world over? Do you see this as ever happening? Why?



Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Marbles on February 12, 2009, 03:28:41 AM
I don't see it happening at the moment. The people in power here don't seem to care about anyone, especially minorities. They have little respect for the french speaking part of this country, and completely ignore the problems of the Native people. Every now and then they will pretend to care, but they don't put much effort into it. Lots of Native people here live on reserves, land they were "given" by the white europeans who came here and claimed everything. There were documents signed in some cases, and agreements of different kinds made. Last I read there were hundreds of land claim disputes still stuck in the court system. Disputes that can date back a long time. In some cases natives were even moved off of the land that was "reserved" for them, moved farther north or moved to land with poor hunting and soil. There are plenty of cases of resources being mined or taken from Native land without any compensation, or an insultingly small ammount of compensation given to the Native people who own it. 
 
 I personally think things like this need to be corrected before trying to mend the mistrust brought on by generations of supression, and cultural genocide. There are Native reserves here in Canada that have living conditions similar to "third world" countries. For a country that likes to think so highly of its reputation I found it pretty embarassing to learn what goes on here.   I've encountered some extreme discrimination against Native people here from some students and teachers. I lived in a larger city for a while and there was a reserve just outside of town, there were was a busload or two of students who came from the reserve. I remember people had names they would call the bus, and plenty of names for the students. It shocked me when some of the fairly normal people I had been hanging out with suddenly started making racist comments and jokes at their own native friend. Not even some kind of small joke, but just completely stupid and ignorant remarks. I noticed teachers stopping my native friend more than other students in the hall or even just in front of the school, and it happened too often to be just coincidence.

  I don't think people are born with this kind of stupidity or intolerance. It has to be learned somewhere, from parents I guess.  I think it's most important to keep trying to educate young people. If you can turn a kid into an intolerant biggot you can turn one into an open minded and tolerant person too.  For some kids it can be something so simple that makes them realise the stupidity of hating people based on race. This may sound corny, but I'm gonna quote the white rapper Eminem here:
"Spoke to a generation of angry teenagers
Whom if it wasn't for rap to bridge the gap
Maybe raised to be racist"

I can say that is completely true. I've known kids with racist parents who have grown up to be great people. People who have broken the chain of pointless hate that can get passed down generations. I've never bothered to ask one of my friends racist parents why they hate whoever they hate. The answer wouldn't make sense anyways.

Basically I think any historical inequities need to be corrected as best as possible, but I'm always more concerned with the Present. Educating the young is a great way to improve the future, but improving the present requires a lot more work.  Discrimination for the most part has become more hidden. It is often economic discrimination, we have some kind of Class System it would seem, and most often minorities mysteriously fill up the low end of the system. Things like hurricane Katrina SHOULD prove to everyone that racism and classism exists and flourishes still today. I don't expect people would have been stuck on rooftops for days if it was somewhere else that had flooded. Some people even claim the levies were damaged intentionally. Bring in the water and wipe out the black, poor, and french. A completely evil plan if that is true. I don't think it would be the first time in history such a thing has been done. I remember reading about some roman emperor who burned down part of a city to make space for whatever the hell he wanted to build.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Hon Joshua I on February 12, 2009, 08:28:35 AM
Blessed Love. To the one, 'Eric D' i would like to say check yourself and correct yourself my Lord. When a one come on a site that is obviously intended for African voices to speak about and to reason on African affairs and issues one mustn't expect to be able to bring in some 'euro-centric' kind of reasoning, and then you direspect and speak against Black Supremacy , saying it is an 'untruth'. Maybe you don't understand the true meaning of Black Supremacy , it is nothing like so-called white supremacy. Black Supremacy really mean the Head of obedience whom are steadfast. From Black all nations come, one Head over all, a white woman couldn't bring a black son or daughter, the Black Mother of Creation bring forth all nations. Some bredren could be seen as a little harsh in their word sound towards you, yet that just highlight the seriousness of the thing and if a one call the I a 'cracker' well that is the smallest of issues right here. My Lord, Afrikan Rebel, i can overstand the I's point of view towards europeans/ caucasians, yet i want to remind the I that there are some caucasian man who are righteous in this time and that can be redeemed. Even in Rastafari , a caucasian man will be accepted if he have clean hands and a pure heart, like the man say; better a white man with the mind of a Black man than a Black man with the mind of a white, the I know. There is only one way to salvation, that is with clean hands and a pure heart. Freedom Redemption Repatriation, says the Man of Right, the Black Christ in flesh King Emmanuel 7th Adonie I God Jah Rastafari


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Source on February 12, 2009, 10:43:11 AM
Didn't Marcus Garvey say -"Envy not the ways of the oppressor and choose none of their ways?
Didn't Selassie state that until the color of a persons skin have no significance to the color of his eye
then peace becomes a fleeting illusion to pursued and never be attained? if that is true then I have to say that some of the
contributors in this reasoning are absolute hypocrites.

I don't even know where they get the authority to say that they are talking on the behalf of the Head Creator and worse still
The nonsense that they spew is nonsense based in the main on their own distorted and misinformed views! I know for sure that
John Brown did more for Black People in his day than Thabo M'beki for instance. Sylvia Pankhurst certainly did more for Black people
than Robert Mugabe! It seems like the haters are just taking the opportunity to lash out at anyone they assume is connected to slavery!

Lets be real here, It wasn't Black people alone who suffered via slavery (even though it could be argued they suffered the hardest way) There was many nations and individuals who profited out of slavery! To the ones who lashing out at Erik, what about the black collaborators who sold their brethren into slavery in the first place? The colonialists could not have done what they they did without the help of their black friends.

Indeed if you read history there was a huge underclass of white people in the industrial cities of Europe and America who were living in abject poverty. So it is not the the individual that the angry ones should be lashing out against, it ought to the system. I always thought that when a Heartical Ras is burning a fire on the system (ROME/BABYLON) they ain't suppose to have an individual in mind it's the system that should be getting burned!

Right now I more concerned with what Black Robert Mugabe is doing to his people, than what happened a couple hundred years ago.

Lets Keep it Real, Divide and Conquer cannot work!


Source!


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Marbles on February 12, 2009, 04:05:16 PM
Even in Rastafari , a caucasian man will be accepted if he have clean hands and a pure heart, like the man say; better a white man with the mind of a Black man than a Black man with the mind of a white, the I know. There is only one way to salvation, that is with clean hands and a pure heart.

Thanks for these words. I am a young white male, with a shaved head. Many people look at me and for some reason believe I am one of those "skin heads". Those fools who are mostly from the southern states of America that promote hatred and garbage.  I find myself having to prove to people that I am not one of those idiots.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 13, 2009, 06:39:45 AM
Would like some cheese with that “whine” Erik D? All you’ve been doing is whining and complaining, and saying it’s not your ancestors and yadi yadi yadi…***yawn***
But it seems you took heed to my request….you can’t handle the heat/fiyah in this African village, then leave! Thank you.
There’s one you do not overstand here…and that is we have been discussing white priviledge in this white supremist system.

Give thanks Tracey for that source.

Hoping that every white person goes through it to overstand what is mainly being discussed. WHITE PRIVILEDGE. And not which countries were most cruel to black people, regardless of whether blacks sold blacks out to whites/arabs.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 13, 2009, 10:13:04 AM
Would like some cheese with that “whine” Erik D? All you’ve been doing is whining and complaining, and saying it’s not your ancestors and yadi yadi yadi…***yawn***

Now I can see why most white people don't want to waste their time here.

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But it seems you took heed to my request….you can’t handle the heat/fiyah in this African village, then leave! Thank you.
There’s one you do not overstand here…and that is we have been discussing white priviledge in this white supremist system.

You mean like in Zimbabwe and South Africa where white farmers are being murdered and driven off their own land, causing no crops to be grown, and the people (black and white) to be reduced to near starvation?

I wish I could be so priveleged like those white people.

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Give thanks Tracey for that source.

Yes, thank you Tracy.  The next time I'm looking around for a quarter to make a phone call, or some non-existent food to eat, I'll be sure to think of Tracy and her magnanimousness.  I always find it's better to eat politically correct diatribe than actual food.

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Hoping that every white person goes through it to overstand what is mainly being discussed. WHITE PRIVILEDGE. And not which countries were most cruel to black people, regardless of whether blacks sold blacks out to whites/arabs.

Have you considered locating and suing those black tribal chieftains and their descendants who profited from selling your ancestors?


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Marbles on February 13, 2009, 10:27:53 AM
It may be true that whites STILL have "built in" priviledge in most societies around the world, I find it difficult to accept personally. Probably because I'm white, but not one of the priviledged ones.  I like to believe Canada is at least slightly less racist and discriminatory than other places, but that may not be true.
 

I still can't remember how I found this forum but I will continue to read and soak up every bit of knowledge I can here. This place is a wealth of information from a slightly different perspective than I am use to.


Eric D, wow, excellent post man! Brilliant! Wow that was wonderful! Did you study diplomacy under Atilla the Hun? You have such an amazing way of writing that manages to make everyone dislike you at the same time!  I suggest you leave this place Eric, or stop posting and just read.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 13, 2009, 11:13:42 AM
When these local rastas who reneged on a business deal with me put my property back the way it belongs, then we can move forward in a civil manner.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 13, 2009, 01:06:52 PM
dude... are you high?


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: EmpresKeneilwe on February 16, 2009, 05:58:18 AM
Greetings,
I know silence is sometimes golden, but not in the case of Erik.

You mean like in Zimbabwe and South Africa where white farmers are being murdered and driven off their own land, causing no crops to be grown, and the people (black and white) to be reduced to near starvation?

I wish I could be so priveleged like those white people.

yep, he must be smoking your own socks.

You may want to rethink your statement here, considering how the whites got their so-called in Africa.  ??? ??? ??? remember colonialism man. The viloence that was used to gain this "land".

Personally, being from SA, the government had every right to do the land redistribution. The whites took it by force, why cant blacks do the same. Why do you expect us to turn the other cheek? For the sake of peace. No way. Whites used violence to get what they wanted, i say blacks have to do the same to beat them at their own game.

i dont like the fact that blacks go hungry, but this is Africa for Africans. It's none of your (Europe's or white americas) business to forcefully help. Mugabe has his reasons why he does the things he, and I respect him for that.

Whites have no idea of how African affairs work, even the ones in Africa. We instill our values, culture, morals and tradition in everthing we do. Which is opposite to how white govern. i wish black leaders could understand this and go back to our ways, but it's unfortunate that they ruled by greed like white leaders. Mental slavery must go.

Erik, i hope one day you learn to humble yourself and stop being so arrogant and ignorant. Racism is so instilled in your psyche, you can't even control it. I dont blame you. It's the society we live in.

if you feel you are wasting your time, then are you still writing back. You're only going to give yourself heart palpitations. Save yourself the drama if you cannot handle this. Honestly and I'm not being ugly. truth hurts, adn thus the reason why you write what you do. I bet you have turned red now.

But on a serious tip, humble yourself to hear the black child's cry. See things from our eyes. after all, you are in our home and what you're doing is disrespectful. It's like belittling a man in front of his woman or children.

Hotep
Keneilwe


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 16, 2009, 11:16:02 AM
peace and hotep,

Melaninmagic.

Until White Supremacy which is the greatest injustice in the known universe  has been replaced with Justice, aren't all people who have been classified as 'white' .........

aren't all White People.......Suspect Racist /White Supremacist.

as long as the system of White Supremacy is established, maintained, expanded and REFINED what is the litmus test for a "good" White Person.

Malcolm was wary of 'white liberals' and asked for the 'john browns' to step up and do their own thing 'withe' out non'white' people.

this is why you struck a nerve 'withe' Whiteness by suggesting:
 

The most effective way for a white person to halt this corrupt, perverse European-made system is not to grow rasta locks and integrate with the power-LESS and oppressed non-white peoples of the world, but instead, to infiltrate and integrate with the power-FULL and oppressive white people, and effect positive change by undermining and collapsing their system of exploitation from within. You are the only ones capable of doing this.

In essence, you'd be doing a far greater service to the oppressed peoples of this planet if you use your white privilege to collapse the system from the inside.


Direct Violence (physical and/or economic Death) and Indirect Violence (Deception) are the means of perpectuating the system of White Supremacist.

the children of White People are well aware of how to end the System.

therefore/meanwhile...... they are continually fed SOMA and/or encouraged to be LOTUS EATERS.

only to be sent to ini forums as obamic distractions but not salvation.

is there any "salve" for the eyes of the oedipal chile ?

searching here and there for more narcotic 'salves' for their souls......

pretending to settle for hapi salves.

freedomisahapisalve :-X


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 16, 2009, 01:35:49 PM
Hotep seshatasefekht7,

You are on point and on time as usual!

It is absolutely necessary for us then, to develop effective a counter-racist code in our language that will enable us to solidify our suspicion, and 'out' these impostors within our midst.

Keep the faith, God.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 16, 2009, 09:43:59 PM


http:www.thecode.net (http://http:www.thecode.net)

http://www.counter-racism.com/ (http://www.counter-racism.com/)



PURPOSE OF THE CODEBOOK

To present material, in book form, which can be used as a basic guide for those individuals non-white persons who are the Victims of Racism (Victims of White Supremacy), and who may wish to think, speak, and/or act to eliminate Racism (White Supremacy), and do so, not as a "formalized group", but as individual persons.

 

[This means that an individual non-white person who is the victim of Racism can pick, choose, and support through individual thought, speech, and/or action, only those parts of the book which he or she, as an individual person "sees fit" to support, through his or her individual thought, speech, and/or action].

 

To present material, in book form, which can be used as a start for a "complete" code of thought, speech, and/or action for Victims of Racism [non-white people], which when promoted by an effective number of individual Victims of Racism, will result in a "collective" effect against Racism.

 

To present material, in book form, which may serve as a basic guide and/or general format for the making of other books which can serve as a compliment, and/or supplement, to the "codified", and/or systematic concept of eliminating Racism (White Supremacy) through the thought, speech, and/or action of individual persons, by their own will, at a time and place of their own choosing.

 

To help any and all persons to know and/or understand truth, and to use truth in such manner as to produce justice and correctness at all times, in all places, in all areas of activity.

 

To explain the necessity of eliminating functional Racism before attempting to make other major changes in the socio-material activities of the other people of known universe, and to function as a general guide toward doing so.

 

This is not a book to be used to promote dislike or hatred for white people.

 

This is not a book to be used to encourage animosity toward white people or to be used to promote a dislike for white people because of their "whiteness", and/or because they appear to be "White" to the eye/mind of the onlooker.

 

This is not a book to be used to embarrass, belittle, nit-pick, poke fun at, or otherwise show "disrespect" for any people, be they "White", "Brown", "Red", "Yellow", "Blond", "Brunette", etc .

 

This book is not designed to be used to basically oppose any people except those persons racially classified as "White"-- and only those persons so classified, who are responsible for establishing, maintaining, expanding, and/or refining the practice of White Supremacy (Racism), in any one or more areas of activity, including economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and/or war.

 

This book, when used correctly used, will help to promote thought, speech, and/or action, specifically designed to help reveal truth, promote justice, and promote correctness.

 

The ultimate purpose of this book and/or any of it's parts is to help produce "peace".

 

Excerpt from the United-Independent Compensatory Codebook

 


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Source on February 17, 2009, 12:20:58 PM
Greetings.

I read your view point and I have to say you sound like them, the whole point of fighting negativity and injustice.
Is to replace it with better - not the same white oppression painted black is still oppression. The system does need to be replaced
but using the methods they have used is only going to result in the same thing happening again!

The system is a fluid and tried and tested piece of apparatus, defeating it not (solely) by violence, but by having Overstanding and knowledge (pardon the pun). We are moving into a new age where reasoning and views can be readily exchanged! The hope of the new way of life rests with everyone or falls with everyone.

The Creator and those in the higher places, those without name, number and rank know that, but that knowledge is suppressed from the massive -and with good reason!

I would say that although they maybe some logic in your views, the logic appears to be do to them what you feel they have done to you - As an individual that view might be meaningful, but in the great scheme of things -it isn't!

Kind regards

Knowledge


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 17, 2009, 02:06:37 PM
the logic appears to be do to them what you feel they have done to you - As an individual that view might be meaningful

Please highlight where you have noted this to be the case in any of the the posts that seshatasefekht7, EmpresKeneilwe or myself have made in reference to this topic.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 17, 2009, 09:31:54 PM
peace and hotep,

Source.

Richard Pryor once said :

"go to the courts looking for justice and all that you find is JUST US"

true then and even truer now.

Greetings.

I read your view point and I have to say you sound like them, the whole point of fighting negativity and injustice.
Is to replace it with better - not the same white oppression painted black is still oppression. The system does need to be replaced
but using the methods they have used is only going to result in the same thing happening again!

The system is a fluid and tried and tested piece of apparatus, defeating it not (solely) by violence, but by having Overstanding and knowledge (pardon the pun). We are moving into a new age where reasoning and views can be readily exchanged! The hope of the new way of life rests with everyone or falls with everyone.

The Creator and those in the higher places, those without name, number and rank know that, but that knowledge is suppressed from the massive -and with good reason!

I would say that although they maybe some logic in your views, the logic appears to be do to them what you feel they have done to you - As an individual that view might be meaningful, but in the great scheme of things -it isn't!

Kind regards

Knowledge


"sound" like......."appears" to be.......

respectfully, Source, have you taken the time to read the United Independent Compensatory Code/System/Concept.  when you state:

"the same white oppression painted black is still oppression",

please elaborate on this.....please.

please show ini.....just where in the context of history or the known universe has non'white' people committed the injustice on the scale of White Supremacist Organized Crime Family.

Source, does it offend you that ini must consider that ALL White People are Racist Suspects until the system and practice of  White Supremacy ends.  If so, please consider that there are 3 types of people in the known universe:


White Supremacist     < or =   1  %
White People             < or =  19 %
Non-White People       < or =  80 %


please remember that after realizing their MINORITY position globally, 
certain people classified themselves as White and then classified All OTHER PEOPLE in the known universe as NOT WHITE.

the SMARTEST AND MOST POWERFUL WHITE PEOPLE became known as White Supremacists.
the White People whom are not SMART AND POWERFUL are still engaged in INDIRECT VIOLENCE (deception) withe the victims of White Supremacy/Racism (withe skin privilege).

Source, if the White People THAT YOU KNOW can not end the global practice of White Supremacy, they may be "feeble-minded" or they may be deceiving you.

people whom are classified as 'white' have more access to the White Supremacist than all non-White people combined.

Malcolm spoke about the John Brown School of Liberals are   
the White People that are willing to sacrifice there own existence to produce justice.

......not any COUNTER INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM kkracker children.
......not any Cinque backers of the SLA (patty hearst).
......not any LSD love children or 'weed' smoking White Rasta.
......not any obama loving give peace a chance  cause we are "BUSHED".

this is all indirect and direct violence..... 

Source, isn't the bullet or the ballot speaking of 'compensatory actions'?

compensation comes whether or not it is in the form of a 'bullet or a ballot'.

sometimes compensation comes in the form of a "cosmic collision". 

instead of "do to them what you feel they have done to you" as you stated

the revelation may be 'karmic'.

dinosaurs had their time and so did we........


     





Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Source on February 18, 2009, 11:46:46 AM
Greetings

Having read your response - I really had to sit back and say wow!!

Anyway after reading the replies from both of you, I will attempt to touch the points you raise and/or skirt around!

First of all I am offended by your use of Richard Pryor to justify your point!  I don't want to sound a funny way;  but to quote any (use to be) Big Supe; who ends up with second degree burns from trying to cook up crack; isn't cutting any ice with me!

Re The Smartest White People became white supremacist, That is the point, how come they became the smartest? If not without a piece of knowledge that they acquired, stole or in any event appropriated. What were their black equivalents doing? Doesn't it seem funny to you  that a race who were drinking out of skulls in caves, when others were making astonishing advancements can turn out to be the supremacist? Well it does sound extremely strange to me.

Of course, the white people that I know are not going to change the system, how can they? They are not the high-ups, or landed and/or titled gentry, the ones who are actually running things, in fact they are screaming probably louder than me right now!

You say the lesser white person still had privileges - I am not going to argue that fact, but the system is not based upon skin colour in the way you would think it is. The real powers that be don't use the course language of the rap artist (N word) when referring to peoples of colour, their agenda runs deeper than that!

Re Malcolm X didn't he get a conversion regarding white people when he went to Mecca? But in event what Malcolm says i.e. "by any means necessary" is a real truth and right! I mean isn't it the self same creed by which the system advances its agenda?

But if we are dealing with quotes and examples, in addition to drawing for whomsoever it is we believe to be important enough to illuminate our points of view, Allow me to draw for the following;
H.I.M.Selassie I, didn't flex like you, he sent out his people to the west to learn and embrace technology and education in order to uplift his own people.
H.I.M Selassie I, when he was in England (and Europe) remarked on the hospitality he felt and encountered from ordinary 'white' people everywhere he went. Indeed his dictum "until the philosophy which hold one race superior and another inferior is discredited, abandoned and totally destroyed and until the the color of a persons skin has no significance than the color of their eye then peace will be an illusion to pursued but never attained". that is the point I am actually defining (just in case it might have passed you and your friend by).

But moving on from the quotes, The examples I would draw for are:-
That even though the invaders killed one of his sons (blinded him first) and kidnapped his daughter, even in the in the event of the atrocities employed by them on the battlefield (mustard gas, etc)  H.I.M. Selassie I, said of the Italian prisoners, to his armies, feed them, clothe them and send them back to whence they came, he even offered a place  to live for those Italians who wanted to stay in Ethiopia.
How many people show forgiveness to people who really hurt them, who can say that they function with real love in their heart?

Further to that,

Sylvia Pankhurst, although she is widely remembered for the suffragette struggle (Votes for Women) she was also a very vigorous and ardent supporter of the Ethiopian cause. She campaigned very hard in the face of extreme pressure to highlight the injustice that was being dealt out to the Ethiopians by the fascists! Indeed she was sending out pamphlets to the Jamaican Rasta/Garveyites at the time, Indeed elders in Jamaica have remarked in recent times; that it was mainly because of her efforts that they were kept informed of events! However, the point I wish to allude to is that when H.I.M. Selassie I returned to Ethiopia she was invited to return with him and help co-ordinate the library, indeed when she died she was afforded honors at her burial which took place in Ethiopia where she was interred.

These are but 2 examples of how people should live and treat their fellow persons irregardless.   

I would just like to point out the following I don't follow Men or their doctrines, I allow for the higher heights and seek for those Ideals. hence when you are seeking to provide examples I would prefer something concrete which you can see/feel, rather then Richard Pryor who wasn't even that funny!

Kind regards

Knowledge 


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Source on February 18, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
Please accept my apologies my brethren Knowledge signed my last reponse

Source


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: admin on February 18, 2009, 10:09:34 PM
It could be that you and another poster are sharing one account or you are posting comments written by someone else. It could also be that you are posting under the username “Source” on this board and “knowledge” on the other board and got mixed up when signing your comments. However, your attempt to explain the mix-up with, “Please accept my apologies my brethren Knowledge signed my last reponse” points to something sinister. We are closing the “Source” account.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 19, 2009, 12:28:25 AM
Greetings


Re Malcolm X didn't he get a conversion regarding white people when he went to Mecca? But in event what Malcolm says i.e. "by any means necessary" is a real truth and right! I mean isn't it the self same creed by which the system advances its agenda?


“An American white ambassador in one  African country was Africa’s most respected American ambassador:  I’m glad to say that this was told to me by one ranking African leader.  We talked for an entire afternoon.  Based on what I had heard of him,  I had to believe him when he told me that as long as he was on the African continent, he never thought in terms of race,  that he dealt withe human beings, never noticing their color.  He said he was more aware of language differences.  He said that only when he returned to America would he become aware of color differences.

I told him, “What you are telling me is that it isn’t the American white man who is a racist, but it’s the American political, economic, and social atmosphere that automatically nourishes a  racist psychology in the white man.”  He agreed.   

We both agreed that American society makes it next to impossible for humans to meet in America and not be conscious of their color differences.  And we both agreed that if racism could be removed, America could offer a society where rich and poor could truly live like human beings.

That discussion withe the ambassador gave me a new insight -----one which I like:  that the white man is not inherently evil, but America’s racist society influences him to act evilly.  The society has produced and nourishes a psychology which brings out the lowest, most base part of human beings.

I had a totally different kind of talk withe another white man I met in Africa------who, to me, personified exactly what the ambassador and I had discussed.  Throughout my trip, I was of course aware that I was under CONSTANT  surveillance……..” -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965




“What can a sincere white person do ?

When I say that here now, it makes me think about that little co-ed I told you about, the one who flew from her New England college down to New York and came up to me in the Nation of Islam’s restaurant in Harlem, and I told her that there was “nothing” she could do.  I regret that I told her that.  I wish that now I knew her name, or where I could telephone her, or write to her, and tell her what I tell white people now when they present themselves as being sincere, and ask me, one way or another, the same thing that she asked.

 The first thing I tell them is that at least where my own particular Black Nationalist organization, the Organization of Afro-American Unity, is concerned, THEY CAN’T JOIN US.  I have these very deep feelings that white people who want to join black organizations are really just taking the ESCAPIST way to ‘salve’ their consciences.  By visibly hovering near us, they are “proving” that they are “withe us”.  But the hard truth is this isn’t helping to solve America’s racist problem.  The Negroes aren’t the racist.  Where the really sincere white people have got to do their “proving” of themselves is not among the black victims, but out on the battle lines of where America’s racism really is----and that’s in their own home communities;  America’s racism is among their own fellow whites.  That’s where the sincere whites who really mean to accomplish something have got to work.

Aside from that, I mean nothing against any sincere whites when I say that as members of black organizations, generally whites’ very presence subtly renders the black organization automatically less effective.  Even the best white members will slow down the negroes’ discovery of what they need to do, and particularly of what they can do--- for themselves, working by themselves, among their own kind, in their own communities.

I sure don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings, but in fact I’ll even go so far as to say that I never really trust the kind of white people who are always so anxious to hang around negroes, or to hang around in negro communities…….     

…….I tell sincere white people, “work in conjunction withe us---each of us working among our own kind.”  Let sincere white individuals find all other white people they can who feel as they do----and let them form their own all-white groups, to work trying to convert other white people who are thinking and action so racist.  Let sincere whites go and teach non-violence to white people! “ -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965


"I tried in every speech I made to clarify my new position regarding white people---- "I don't speak agaisnt the sincere, well-meaning, good white people.  I have learned that there are some.  I have learned that not all white people are racists.  I firmly believe that Negroes have the right to fight against these racist, by any means necessary."-----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965

   



Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: siger on February 19, 2009, 08:24:11 AM
It could be that you and another poster are sharing one account or you are posting comments written by someone else. It could also be that you are posting under the username “Source” on this board and “knowledge” on the other board and got mixed up when signing your comments. However, your attempt to explain the mix-up with, “Please accept my apologies my brethren Knowledge signed my last reponse” points to something sinister. We are closing the “Source” account.


that seems quite unfair. To close down an account for a trivial matter..... to deprive us of a SOURCE of KNOWLEDGE because of an assumption..... u did not get that one right!!

and Source has been the only one holding itt down for the rest of us who dont subscribe to this "revenge-racism" stuff.

Hotep... (i'm sure that is someone else's sig. Will you throw me off too?)


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Ayinde on February 19, 2009, 01:06:58 PM
siger,

People are not allowed to share accounts on this forum.

Integrity is a trivial matter to many people but what is the use of trying to engage these discussions if deliberate lies and deceptions are acceptable.

He or the other parties involved with that account can always register and have separate accounts on the forum as there seems to be confusion over who is actually using that one account, especially as it involves another username on another related forum. It could simply have been one poster with different accounts on the two forums (as I thought) but “Source” made that more confusing by claiming it was different people involved. Let him/them work that out and come again.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 19, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with Ayindes' response as I too felt there was something sinister in Sources' reply.

We must take up a strong and uncompromising position when it comes to responding to any form of aggression (deception or direct violence) that we suspect might be being perpetrated by suspected racist/white supremacists upon non-white peoples.

Good job, Ayinde.



Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 22, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Well, I'd just like to apologize for my rudeness and hostility earlier.

I'm moody and disagreeable, because I'm totally out of synch with the mission Jah chose me for, which is to infiltrate the Illuminatie, and I'm not sure how to get back in synch with that mission.

All the people Jah led me to to fulfill the mission have gone their separate ways, as a result of arguments caused by me, because I was unknowningly channelling negative energy emanating from my earthly family and former friends, which I got caught up in by foolishly trying to maintain loyalty to both them and Jah.

Didn't work.

Now I'm just lost spiritually and not sure how to proceed.

This situation isn't looking so good right now, and I'm not sure if it can be fixed.

Any constructive advice is appreciated.

Thanks.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 22, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Well, I'd just like to apologize for my rudeness and hostility earlier.

I'm moody and disagreeable, because I'm totally out of synch with the mission Jah chose me for, which is to infiltrate the Illuminatie, and I'm not sure how to get back in synch with that mission.

All the people Jah led me to to fulfill the mission have gone their separate ways, as a result of arguments caused by me, because I was unknowningly channelling negative energy emanating from my earthly family and former friends, which I got caught up in by foolishly trying to maintain loyalty to both them and Jah.

Didn't work.

Now I'm just lost spiritually and not sure how to proceed.

This situation isn't looking so good right now, and I'm not sure if it can be fixed.

Any constructive advice is appreciated.

Thanks.

"…….I tell sincere white people, “work in conjunction withe us---each of us working among our own kind.”  Let sincere white individuals find all other white people they can who feel as they do----and let them form their own all-white groups, to work trying to convert other white people who are thinking and action so racist.  Let sincere whites go and teach non-violence to white people! “ -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965



Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: melaninmagic on February 23, 2009, 01:29:33 PM
I would also add to the above by suggesting that you stop using the illuminati as a scape-goat.

...which is to infiltrate the Illuminatie, and I'm not sure how to get back in synch with that mission.

sounds an awful lot like:

'...it wasn't me, the illuminati made me do it...'

I don't buy that.

As we have all benefited from the system of racism/white supremacy at the expense of others, we are all complicit in this corrupt system.

The difference, however, between those of us that are part of the Black Power/Liberation Movement and your average white-folk is that your average white-folk have no plans on completely abandoning a system that they have enjoyed so much benefit from, and in fact, many of them will give their own lives to protect that system. Check.

Ultimately, it comes down to the individual. Not the illuminati. It was WHITE PEOPLE done mess things up, so your job is to convince more white people to fix their own shit.




Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 23, 2009, 02:43:39 PM
Quote
"…….I tell sincere white people, “work in conjunction withe us---each of us working among our own kind.”  Let sincere white individuals find all other white people they can who feel as they do----and let them form their own all-white groups, to work trying to convert other white people who are thinking and action so racist.  Let sincere whites go and teach non-violence to white people! “ -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965

That's a good quote, but Malcolm X is not God.

Ras Tafari is God... or at least the most recent incarnation (avatar) of God.

Ras Tafari said that we have to become "members of a new race"... beyond black and white and other divisions.

When we are each unified with our true, higher selves, we will naturally meet people of all different races and religions who we have mystical and spiritual connections with, and works to accomplish with.

Jah designs the path uniquely for us... we just walk it.

If that path takes us into contact with men and women of other races or religions, then that's great.

If not, that's great too.

It's wherever Jah leads you.... Jah being your higher self, your God self, which resides with the Creator of the Universe, and was created in his/her/their image(s).

They're the Elohim Dream Team Supreme.

I think they're taking turns running the show from the heavens.

Right now it's Emperor Selassie's turn to run the show, so his Word is Law.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 23, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: melaninmagic

sounds an awful lot like:

'...it wasn't me, the illuminati made me do it...'

I don't buy that.

As we have all benefited from the system of racism/white supremacy at the expense of others, we are all complicit in this corrupt system.

The difference, however, between those of us that are part of the Black Power/Liberation Movement and your average white-folk is that your average white-folk have no plans on completely abandoning a system that they have enjoyed so much benefit from, and in fact, many of them will give their own lives to protect that system. Check.

Ultimately, it comes down to the individual. Not the illuminati. It was WHITE PEOPLE done mess things up, so your job is to convince more white people to fix their own shit.


The illuminati didn't make me do anything.

If anything, they probably wanted me to do the right thing too, because most of them are aware enough to know when cosmic changes are coming, and they don't want themselves and their descendants to get caught on the wrong side of such changes.

Most people are smart enough to know to run when a giant volcano is erupting.

I tried to prevent the volcano from erupting, but it didn't work.

Instead I got burnt very badly.

I thought I could outsmart God.

Didn't work.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 23, 2009, 05:48:02 PM
With regard to reparations,  I am still completely open to the idea, and believe I have the spiritual connections to help bring it about.

But something cosmic happened recently, to make me unsure if it can be accomplished.  I met a very wealthy and powerful gentleman recently who I believe is ready, willing and able to bring reparations about, but I need all of your help:

If you could pray, meditate, praise, lucid dream, use psychic or telepathic ability, or whatever means you have of communicating with higher spiritual beings, it would be helpful if you could ask them to help with this situation, and fix something that was broken the other night, right before I met the member of the Illuminati in question.

However, the damage to my psychic connection with the gentleman in question was a put in jeopardy recently, as a result of the hostile conversations heredy, and I need all your help in fixing it.

If you ladies and gentlemen would be willing to do this, and appeal to the Most High Jah, and His Heavenly Host, both male and female, as well as all interested and sympathetic parties on Earth, it would be very much appreciated.

I'll post an update on the situation and let you know how the situation unfolds.

Thanks, and Jah Bless.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 23, 2009, 07:08:51 PM
seshatasefekht7 wrote:

"the children of White People are well aware of how to end the system"

Yes, I believe I do know how to end the system.

But I need all of your help to do it.

Please Pray for me tonight, or whenever you get this message.

Peace.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 23, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
With regard to reparations,  I am still completely open to the idea, and believe I have the spiritual connections to help bring it about.

But something cosmic happened recently, to make me unsure if it can be accomplished.  I met a very wealthy and powerful gentleman recently who I believe is ready, willing and able to bring reparations about, but I need all of your help:

If you could pray, meditate, praise, lucid dream, use psychic or telepathic ability, or whatever means you have of communicating with higher spiritual beings, it would be helpful if you could ask them to help with this situation, and fix something that was broken the other night, right before I met the member of the Illuminati in question.

However, the damage to my psychic connection with the gentleman in question was a put in jeopardy recently, as a result of the hostile conversations heredy, and I need all your help in fixing it.

If you ladies and gentlemen would be willing to do this, and appeal to the Most High Jah, and His Heavenly Host, both male and female, as well as all interested and sympathetic parties on Earth, it would be very much appreciated.

I'll post an update on the situation and let you know how the situation unfolds.

Thanks, and Jah Bless.


peace and hotep,

Erik D.

i have a brother named eric. 
my brother eric is in a prison camp.
the prison camp practices slavery.
Erik D. , ini ......do not expect for you to help my eric :'(.

but you may help here:

http://www.reparationsthecure.org/AboutUs (http://www.reparationsthecure.org/AboutUs)

freedomisahapisalve


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 23, 2009, 09:58:16 PM
seshatasefekht7 wrote:

"the children of White People are well aware of how to end the system"

Yes, I believe I do know how to end the system.

But I need all of your help to do it.

Please Pray for me tonight, or whenever you get this message.

Peace.

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

i would pray that you produce justice.

be mindful that inside of the word BElieVE
there is a little lie.

if you are already a member of the White Supremacist Organized Crime Family, there is nothing that you may need of the most pitiful people in the known universe.  as a member of the Smartest and Most Powerful group, you haven't any need for ini if you intend to end the system.  ini would just be in your way.

Smartest = Most Vicious = Survival of the Fittest  = By Any Means Necessary(unlike MalcolmX / not God) 

freedomisahapisalve


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 23, 2009, 10:09:01 PM
Quote
"…….I tell sincere white people, “work in conjunction withe us---each of us working among our own kind.”  Let sincere white individuals find all other white people they can who feel as they do----and let them form their own all-white groups, to work trying to convert other white people who are thinking and action so racist.  Let sincere whites go and teach non-violence to white people! “ -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965

That's a good quote, but Malcolm X is not God.

Ras Tafari is God... or at least the most recent incarnation (avatar) of God.

Ras Tafari said that we have to become "members of a new race"... beyond black and white and other divisions.

When we are each unified with our true, higher selves, we will naturally meet people of all different races and religions who we have mystical and spiritual connections with, and works to accomplish with.

Jah designs the path uniquely for us... we just walk it.

If that path takes us into contact with men and women of other races or religions, then that's great.

If not, that's great too.

It's wherever Jah leads you.... Jah being your higher self, your God self, which resides with the Creator of the Universe, and was created in his/her/their image(s).

They're the Elohim Dream Team Supreme.

I think they're taking turns running the show from the heavens.

Right now it's Emperor Selassie's turn to run the show, so his Word is Law.

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

this is the AfricaSpeaks forum.

as an african in amorica, i appreciate the god qualities of africans from MalcolmX to Richard Pryor to Haile Selassie I to Marcus Garvey and others.

how does a White Person determine what non-White Person's may or may not deify?

freedomisahapisalve


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 24, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
The White Race: 

White people who choose to practice Racism (White Supremacy).


Race:

1.) The white race

2.) a word-concept tool CREATED and USED ** (knowingly and/or unknowingly) BY WHITES (europeans/whites and white supremacists/racists) ** and subsequently propagated (knowingly and/or unknowingly) by non-white victims of the white supremacy system.

3.) THE ONLY RACE IS THE WHITE RACE. The creation of race is a white compensatory action. No people, other than white people, created or wielded the race tool concept with authority**.


Reason/Explanation:

Race is a word-concept tool compensation from the white brain computer. It is specifically created and used by certain white people, white supremacists (racists), and conceptually spread by white supremacists (racists), certain whites and non-whites (victims of racism). When the term 'Race' is used by white supremacists (racists), white persons or non-whites (victims of racism) to describe a group of people within the 'white - over - non-white' system of white supremacy (racism)..... it directly and/or indirectly  serves to maintain white supremacy (=racism).


Stated another way: The race concept game and its rules were created by whites around the 18th century (that's the 1700's) , enforced upon non-whites and eventually 'believed' and defended as law (absolute; gravity etc.) over many years and generations.


** Information for thought/study:

"Racism as we know it had it's origins in early 17th and 18th century European thought. Race was a classification system invented by europeans to press primarily political aims or claims of groups within european countries then to represent the relationships between these groups, rather, between these countries and finally to govern the relations outside Europe. Europe was composed of peoples who had come from different regions and frequently the lines of political tensions coincided to those origins so that evidence about different customs of the original groups could be used in political argument. Prior to the 18th century there was no conception of race as a physical concept, although there certainly was the basic idea grounded in the European thought that black was the color of sin and death"...

"The first systematic racial classification was that advanced by Johan Freidrich Bloomenbach in 1775. He argued that there were five basic racial divisions... Caucasian Mongolian Ethiopian American and Malay."

... it was only in the 19th century that individuals came to be described as belonging to races and to maintain that differences between people stem from race. The English came to use the word race to denote divisions of mankind who were distinguished simultaneously as social as well as biological units american attitudes about race were derived from the same traditions, arguments and books as the English.

In 1853 Count Arthur de Gobineau published his full volume work 'Essay on the Inequality of human races' Note:('Essai sur l'inégalité des races humaines' - an early classic on the supremacy of the Nordic-Aryan race)" which became a standard work for race theories in history. No one before Gobineau had attempted to argue that there was a single reason, one single force, according to which civilization always and everywhere rises and falls. Gobineau further argued that the fall of civilization was due to a degeneration of race and that the decay of race was due to a mixture of blood. This line of thinking evolved ultimately into the notion of the survival of the fittest. What Gobineau was seeking, however, was a political means of creating an elite to replace the dying aristocracy. Instead of princes, he substituted a race of princes, the Aryans, who were in danger of being submerged by the non-Aryan lower-classes through democracy. The concept of race made it possible to organize the  personalities of German romanticism, to define them as members of a natural aristocracy, destined to rule over all others. In England, therefore, race thinking and class thinking combined in a curious marriage. The concept of inheritance applied to the very nature of liberty became the idealogical basis from which english nationalism received its curious touch of 'race feeling'. This signified the acceptance of the feudal concept of liberty as the sum total of privileges inherited together with title and land. *'The English frame of race thinking was almost obsessed with inheritance theories and their modern equivalent, eugenics". Now, several racism documents emerged during the 1800's in England and America. The first of the more important was the theory of polygenism which dominated English and American view of race between 1850 and 1859. This theory held that there were distinct races of human being and that these races, in fact, represented separate and distinct species. This conception of the origin of the races was invoked to justify slavery and reinforce oppression against africans and others of so-called mixed origin. This view was eventually supplanted in popular opinion by darwinism which arrived at the opposite but far more convincing conclusion. Darwinism deriving also from the principle of inheritance held that man is not related only to man but to animal life and that the existence of lower races shows clearly that gradual differences alone separate man from beast and that a powerful struggle for existence dominates all living things.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 24, 2009, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

i have a brother named eric. 
my brother eric is in a prison camp.
the prison camp practices slavery.
Erik D. , ini ......do not expect for you to help my eric :'(.

but you may help here:

[url]http://www.reparationsthecure.org/AboutUs[/url] ([url]http://www.reparationsthecure.org/AboutUs[/url])

freedomisahapisalve


Seshatasafekht,

I had no idea about your brother.  I'm very sorry to hear that he's suffering.  

It hurts my heart to hear of such things.

If there was something I could do, I would.

Unfortunately I am a mess myself right now.

The minute I was called to Ras Tafari, people started attacking me from all directions... especially other white people, and some other races as well.

The white people who attacked me pretended to be my friends, but they hated the fact that I got along with black people, and hated me till it hurt and destroyed my heart, hoping to sabotage my desire to help the planet and it's people.

That's why I started attacking people here, because I'm already in pain (as I think most of us are), and when I'm in pain, I lash out.  I think a lot of people do that.

I never realized that so many white people could be so evil, and I had forgotten about growing up, how my friends fathers always put me down and talked bad about me for associating with, and working with, black people.

The level of hatred I saw from those people was frightening, but I had forgotten about it, after moving away from this state for many years.

I had a "Christian" friend... an older woman, who was very religious, but didn't even hide the fact that she hated black people, like those who owned the business next door to hers, and she couldn't stand the fact that I got along with them, and would go next door to buy green teas and say "Hi".

I don't know why people hate those who try to love others, but the Bible says it would be like this.  I wasn't prepared, and it sounds like a lot of you weren't either.  It's hard for good and loving people to comprehend or realize that there's people in this world full of so much hatred, envy and murderous motives.

Evil is a very ugly and dangerous thing.

Things like prison camps are terrible things, and hopefully we can build a world where things like that don't exist, and where people are free to live, laugh and love in the short time we have on this planet.

I'm at the library, and am sick, but when I'm better, I'm going to look very closely at the issue of reparations, and try to repair and rebuild the powerful progressive networks I had built up before, but which were destroyed when division and misunderstandings entered the picture.

Working together we are strong.  By ourselves, individually, we are at our weakest, and vulnerable to the many people and influences that want to drag and pull us and the human race down and backwards into hatred, division, oppression and war.

These discussions we are having here are a good starting point, and I'm glad that we're able to talk about these things.

Thank you for telling me about your brother.  Hopefully someday soon we'll be able to free all the captives, whether they be physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually or financially enslaved, and we can finally have real freedom on this planet and for all of it's people.

Peace, and many blessings to you.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 24, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

i would pray that you produce justice.

be mindful that inside of the word BElieVE
there is a little lie.

if you are already a member of the White Supremacist Organized Crime Family, there is nothing that you may need of the most pitiful people in the known universe.  as a member of the Smartest and Most Powerful group, you haven't any need for ini if you intend to end the system.  ini would just be in your way.

Smartest = Most Vicious = Survival of the Fittest  = By Any Means Necessary(unlike MalcolmX / not God) 

freedomisahapisalve

I was born into the larger white supremacist organized crime family, even though my immediate family are not racist at all, most of the older people in white society were racist when I was growing up, and they tried to brainwash us younger people to think the same way.  Many of us are still struggling to undo the brainwashing they implanted in us.

I was fortunate to have a very good immediate family, with grandparents and great aunts who had black friends over their whole life.  However, I didn't have a father, so my friends fathers tried to brainwash me to hate and fear black people the way they brainwashed their own sons, and they did a pretty good job.

It took me six years to undo that brainwashing, but as soon as I moved back to my home state, it all started up again, but this time much more subtle, through character assasination and gossip.  One method the white supremacist organized crime family uses is attacking the open minded and non racist white person with so much hatred and negativity, while at the same time conditioning and brainwashing them to redirect that hatred at black people, creating an army of little mental time bombs directed at the black race.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 24, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7

peace and hotep,

Erik D.

this is the AfricaSpeaks forum.

as an african in amorica, i appreciate the god qualities of africans from MalcolmX to Richard Pryor to Haile Selassie I to Marcus Garvey and others.

how does a White Person determine what non-White Person's may or may not deify?

freedomisahapisalve


That's a very good point.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on February 26, 2009, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7
peace and hotep,

be mindful that inside of the word BElieVE
there is a little lie.

That's a good point. 

In the past, a white man lied to me and told me that some black people wanted to kill me.

Prior to that, I had been very good to those same black people.

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if you are already a member of the White Supremacist Organized Crime Family, there is nothing that you may need of the most pitiful people in the known universe.

Black people are not pitiful.

In my experiences, most black people I have met have been good, warm, honest, friendly, talented and enthusiastic.

I have a lot of good memories of time spent with black people in my life.

They seemed to enjoy my company as well.

The people who have been the most evil towards me in life have been white people.

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as a member of the Smartest and Most Powerful group, you haven't any need for ini if you intend to end the system.  ini would just be in your way.

I n I are helping me tremendously just through this conversation.

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Smartest = Most Vicious = Survival of the Fittest= By Any Means Necessary

When your ancestors lived near the the north pole for tens of thousands of years, survival of the fittest by any means necessary became a fact of life.

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(unlike MalcolmX / not God)

I don't really understand.

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freedomisahapisalve

I used to be free, but white people enslaved me again with their demonic thought constructs.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on February 28, 2009, 08:46:22 PM

Quote from: seshatasefekht7
peace and hotep,

be mindful that inside of the word BElieVE
there is a little lie.


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if you are already a member of the White Supremacist Organized Crime Family, there is nothing that you may need of the most pitiful people in the known universe.

Erik D.,

 IF BLACK AND/OR NON-WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT PITIFUL
then why have ini not stopped the practice of the greatest injustice in the known universe----White Supremacy (Racism)?

?
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(unlike MalcolmX / not God)
?

remember:

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"…….I tell sincere white people, “work in conjunction withe us---each of us working among our own kind.”  Let sincere white individuals find all other white people they can who feel as they do----and let them form their own all-white groups, to work trying to convert other white people who are thinking and action so racist.  Let sincere whites go and teach non-violence to white people! “ -----excerpt from The Autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, Chapter 1965

That's a good quote, but Malcolm X is not God.

Ras Tafari is God... or at least the most recent incarnation (avatar) of God.

Ras Tafari said that we have to become "members of a new race"...........






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freedomisahapisalve

I used to be free, but white people enslaved me again with their demonic thought constructs.
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then freedom is a happy slavic ( European Slavic nations were the first slaves.)


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: afrikanrebel06 on March 02, 2009, 07:13:51 AM
greetings melaninmagic!

 i cant believe now there are two white people in this site, their ancestors were rapists,child molestors,who castrated afrikan men and tortured afrikan women, 35 million died in the jongo, the namibia genocide,shall i say more!?


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on March 03, 2009, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7

Erik D.,

 IF BLACK AND/OR NON-WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT PITIFUL
then why have ini not stopped the practice of the greatest injustice in the known universe----White Supremacy (Racism)?

I don't know about any other white people, but I personally didn't take steps to eliminate racism, because after a lifetime of being attacked and hated by other white people for liking and being friends with black people, I was then threatened, insulted and attacked by black people and Rastas, who were apparently so determined to elimate racism and hate, that they thought they could step on me, insult me and wrong me in the process.

Stopping hate is a great goal, but if someone goes about it in a hateful manner, they just perpetuate the very same thing they claim to be combatting.

To paraphrase what Martin Luther King said, "the means of achieving a goal are just as important as the goal itself, because the means used plant the seeds for more problems in the future".

If we hate those who hate, and commit injustice against those who commit injustice, we unintentionally plant seeds of resentment, which sprout in the future into more plants of hatred, which leads to more injustice... perpetuating the very same cycle we are trying to eliminate.

The way we go about attaining a goal is just as important as attaining the goal itself, because we effect everyone and everything with our actions and words, and when when go around stepping on people, to show that stepping on people is wrong, we create more angry people who then want to go out and step on people they way they were stepped on.

The only way to stop the vicious cycle is for each one of us individually to deal with our own negative thoughts and feelings, and trasmute them into positive thoughts, feelings and actions.

That's the only way to eliminate a negative... by transmutation (transformation) into a positive.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on March 03, 2009, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7

Erik D.,

 IF BLACK AND/OR NON-WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT PITIFUL
then why have ini not stopped the practice of the greatest injustice in the known universe----White Supremacy (Racism)?


I don't know about any other white people, but I personally didn't take steps to eliminate racism, because after a lifetime of being attacked and hated by other white people for liking and being friends with black people, I was then threatened, insulted and attacked by black people and Rastas, who were apparently so determined to elimate racism and hate, that they thought they could step on me, insult me and wrong me in the process.

Stopping hate is a great goal, but if someone goes about it in a hateful manner, they just perpetuate the very same thing they claim to be combatting.

To paraphrase what Martin Luther King said, "the means of achieving a goal are just as important as the goal itself, because the means used plant the seeds for more problems in the future".

If we hate those who hate, and commit injustice against those who commit injustice, we unintentionally plant seeds of resentment, which sprout in the future into more plants of hatred, which leads to more injustice... perpetuating the very same cycle we are trying to eliminate.

The way we go about attaining a goal is just as important as attaining the goal itself, because we effect everyone and everything with our actions and words, and when when go around stepping on people, to show that stepping on people is wrong, we create more angry people who then want to go out and step on people they way they were stepped on.

The only way to stop the vicious cycle is for each one of us individually to deal with our own negative thoughts and feelings, and trasmute them into positive thoughts, feelings and actions.

That's the only way to eliminate a negative... by transmutation (transformation) into a positive.



peace and hotep,

Erik D.

do you under/inner/overstand
why you should be treated as a "suspect"?

do you have a problew withe being "stepped upon"........like

gandi......like king.......like malcolm.....like ras tafari..........?

what is a fiery furnace?
what is a lion's den?

what bout john brown?

transmutation and/or translation.

when it hurtts (http://pic5.piczo.com/TASERS-HURTT/?g=28924672&cr=5) put some salve on it.........

or http://pic5.piczo.com/TASERS-HURTT/?g=28924672&cr=5

freedomisahapisalve


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on March 05, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: seshatasefekht7
Erik D.

do you under/inner/overstand
why you should be treated as a "suspect"?


Because of the color of my skin?

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do you have a problew withe being "stepped upon"........like

gandi......like king.......like malcolm.....like ras tafari..........?


I'm not too familiar with Gandi's life.

MLK was assassinated.  I was hoping to avoid the same fate.

Malcolm X was assassinated as well.  It's difficult to work for the truth and a better world if you're dead.

Ras Tafari was, I have been told, Christ in his second incarnation or advent.

Christ said that we would live and be able to avoid the same fate he suffered, being tortured and killed, if we would just follow his ways and instructions.

I didn't do that, and now I'm suffering because of it.

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what is a fiery furnace?


Pain, torture, fear, I would guess.

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what is a lion's den?


Being within striking distance of a hostile adversary looking to devour you, but remaining unharmed.

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what bout john brown?


I think he was killed also.  My goal in life has always been to trod this revolutionary path as smoothly as possible, to pave a path for others, but I screwed it up the end, because I was angry.

Jesus Christ said that ones enemies would be they of your own household, and he was right.  I didn't avoid my old family and friends when I was on the cusp of entering my kingdom, where I would have been able to do the most good, so now I'm being stepped on and devoured every day and night.  It's not very fun.

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transmutation and/or translation.


What's the difference?

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when it hurtts ([url]http://pic5.piczo.com/TASERS-HURTT/?g=28924672&cr=5[/url]) put some salve on it.........

or [url]http://pic5.piczo.com/TASERS-HURTT/?g=28924672&cr=5[/url]


What kind of salve do you recommend?


Title: Re: Erik D, seek help
Post by: gman on March 05, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
The lunatic seems to have taken over the asylum on this thread...
Erik D my judgment of you would be harsher were it not for the fact that you plainly have mental health issues. As someone with some experience of such, may I recommend you seek help. Mental health is not a joke, only you can take care of you.
Why is it that the "white rasta" threads always seem to be the longest on here? What about black rastas? I guess white people and their acolytes tend to love talking to/about themselves...
Seshata hope your brudda stays safe and gets out soon. I got family in the belly of the beast as well. Guidance and Protection.


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: Erik D. on March 05, 2009, 09:38:12 PM
"In an insane society, a sane person would appear to be a madman."


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: seshatasefekht7 on March 05, 2009, 09:54:37 PM
The lunatic seems to have taken over the asylum on this thread...
Erik D my judgment of you would be harsher were it not for the fact that you plainly have mental health issues. As someone with some experience of such, may I recommend you seek help. Mental health is not a joke, only you can take care of you.
Why is it that the "white rasta" threads always seem to be the longest on here? What about black rastas? I guess white people and their acolytes tend to love talking to/about themselves...
Seshata hope your brudda stays safe and gets out soon. I got family in the belly of the beast as well. Guidance and Protection.

thanks Gman.

peace and hotep......


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: afrikanrebel06 on March 29, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
"In an insane society, a sane person would appear to be a madman."


 brother, thats what i wonder too,in other threads, i have seen sisters taking a stance and taking hits from those bastards,thats why i started the other thread message to the whiteman, the tamahu,mayiti, i am gonna make another thread called europe has no history and give some historical evidence as well, some of the men here,so called rastas are ol plain cowards,they can sing and talk,but they cant defend their women
afrikan women,they just front,it isa cover or what!? in my afrikan eyes,they become race traitors by not speaking out and allowing our sisters to be target for their abuses!


Title: Re: White Rasta Reasoning
Post by: SisterLeebaAsher on June 26, 2009, 09:16:14 PM
Greetings in that most precious and divine name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who has revealed himself to InI in the true and beautiful personality of His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Hailie Selassie I The First, H.I.M who sat upon the Lords throne by divine prophetic fulfillment of the Davidic covenant. Crowned King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Elect of God. Earths rightful ruler. Greetings and love to the Ethiopian Royal Monarchy, to our Crown Prince H.I.H Zere Yacob, Blessed! My heartical understanding, it is through this covenant that we are called RasTafari, known and chosen from before the womb, Give thanks. Jah live, praises! Greetings and much respect to brethren and sistren worldwide, whatsoever the doctrine, color or creed, myself TTI, seen that it is a daily battle to be RASTA in babylon. We have to acknowledge that for some, this battle is hotter and comes at a greater price than for others. This is a simple truth. Hold tight and live up brethren and sistren, soon come the promise, JAH RASTAFARI!   
In regards to this very important topic/s I am reminded of many teachings and reasonings (most of which have been mentioned already). I concentrate on the teachings of H.I.M and, as reccommended by H.I.M, the teachings of the Bible. It is obvious that these are familiar, so I keep my comment on this to a minimum. I say and live, it is right it is right it is right.
We have in the house many different nationalities. Down here in the South (NZ) the indigenous peoples are brown "Maori". The history of our small country is like that of most colonialized countries. War for our lands and culture. Historically it has been with weaponry and much bloodshed. In this day it continues with the fight to be recognised, the fight for political and social equality. Unfortunately to be Maori here usually puts you at a disadvantage in the schools, the government and justice systems, the business and housing sectors, the job market, pretty much everywhere. We have institutionalised and social prejudice against us, this is denied by the predominantly white leadership. It's an old story. I almost want to write blah blah blah. Hey, too late.  ;D
Back to the house. TTI members in NZ are made up of many nations, but we are 70% Maori. We have a few white members. Some wear dreads, some don't. Some are nice people, some are harder to get along with...fairly normal. Unfortunately, in my opinion these members are treated differently. I'm sure if any member in the house stumbles across this I'm gonna getta dis agreement. However, of a truth, I do believe it comes down to the color of the skin you know? I have been in the house since a child, and it use to be worse but it still exists. I say, this is against our faith and beliefs. Brethren say always a little lie in believe...thats right. And, if it is mentioned, it is denied. I agree with almost all of what you have said, and encourage you, as I do our own white members when they have come to me, to continue on. Jah Guide, Jah Bless, Jah Love. Selassie. SisLeebaAsher.