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MuddyRivers
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« on: September 24, 2005, 02:38:59 PM »

I am wondering if in someway it is unwise to be so hateful towards Christians who are the majority of all Africans no matter where you go in this world?

Louis Farrakhan for this very reason reads out of the bible. He understands that African Americans are for the most part Christians (95%) so instead of spending time calling names, which has never made for unity, he uses the bible to teach them what their faith really says.

What can be accomplished by an Pan-African movement that alienates and offends 95% of all Black People?

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natural blacks
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2005, 02:48:41 PM »

Good talk. We can be unified without being uniform.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2005, 02:58:02 PM »

Mystic Man,

Yes, we can be unified without being uniform. We need to allow ourselves to have 2 possible ways, that are both good for Africans.

I understand now, that the choices offered Africans are 'pro-African' or 'mentacide'. So we spend an lot of time crossing out the Africans who have committed mentacide.

I think though that we need to become an kinder and gentler people towards our own.

We aught to ease them out of 'mentacide', talk them down off the roof, so to speak.

When we see them jumping, we need not push them.
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afrikanrebel06
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2006, 12:28:21 PM »

muddy rivers, you need to take the shackles of your mind to begin with,hehe Beam
de colonize ur mind,king james slave Beam Grin
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mwanaafrika
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 12:23:35 PM »


This article's title, sounds like them adds in western media that never say a good thing about Afrikans and the Afrikan continent, all they say and show is poverty, wars, HIV & AIDS and all the bad things they see.
The claim that 95+ Afrikans are christians, is not only Statistically wrong but unreasonable. that can only be true in a specific area or location. it would be reasonable to estimate that 35% of Afrikans are christians, then 25% are muslims, 10% are not religious and the remaining 30% are of wide variety of Afrikan religions which include Ancestral beliefs, Rastafarian, Voodoo e.t.c.
then again, it varies according to regions where Afrikans live e.g. In central and southern Afrika statistics are likely to be like 5% muslim, 40% for both christians and Afrikan beliefs, and 15% unreligious/unclassified.


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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2006, 12:10:05 PM »

I am wondering if in someway it is unwise to be so hateful towards Christians who are the majority of all Africans no matter where you go in this world?

Louis Farrakhan for this very reason reads out of the bible. He understands that African Americans are for the most part Christians (95%) so instead of spending time calling names, which has never made for unity, he uses the bible to teach them what their faith really says.

What can be accomplished by an Pan-African movement that alienates and offends 95% of all Black People?



so perhaps jesus shouldnt have preached the gospel either, considering that most people believed in something else when he showed up on the scene?

your theory is admirable, but flawed. your obligation is tell the truth as you know it, and to be open to change if the truth ends up being something else. you should never EVER not tell the truth because the TRUTH alienates someone living a lie.

by the way, Jesus never existed. and thats the truth. :

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"The Christian myths were first related of Horus or Osiris, who was the embodiment of divine goodness, wisdom, truth and purity...This was the greatest hero that ever lived in the mind of man -- not in the flesh -- the only hero to whom the miracles were natural because he was not human." 1
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"...I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me." Hosea 13:4, King James Version. This passage may have an additional and completely different meaning from that usually assigned.




About Yeshua of Nazareth: He is commonly referred to as Jesus Christ, although Joshua would be a more accurate translation of his first name. "Christ" is not his last name; it is simply the Greek word for "Messiah," or "anointed one." Theologians have discovered about 50 gospels which were widely used by Jewish, Pauline and Gnostic groups within the early Christian movement. Only four of these were chosen by the surviving group, Pauline Christianity, and were included in the Bible. Those four Gospels describe Jesus as a Jew who was born to a virgin in Palestine circa 4 to 7 BCE. He is portrayed as a rabbi, teacher, healer, exorcist, magician, prophet, and religious leader who had a one year (according to Mark, Matthew and Luke) or a three year (according to John) ministry in Palestine, starting when he was about 30 years old. Most Christians believe that he was executed by the Roman occupying army, visited the underworld, was resurrected, spent 40 days with his disciples, and then ascended to heaven. Most Christian denominations view Jesus as God, and as the Son of God, the second person in the Trinity.|

Conservative Christians view the Gospels as being inerrant whose authors were inspired by God. The Gospels and other passages in the Bible are mostly interpreted literally. Muslims revere Jesus as a great prophet -- next only to Muhammad in importance. They regard the assertion that Jesus is God to be blasphemy.

About Horus: Various ancient Egyptian statues and writings tell of Horus, (pronounced "hohr'-uhs;" a.k.a. Harseisis, Heru-sa-Aset (Horus, son of Isis), Heru-ur (Horus the elder), Hr, and Hrw), a creator sky God. He was worshipped thousands of years before the first century CE -- the time when Jesus was ministering in Palestine. 2 Horus was often represented as a stylized eye symbol, symbolizing the eye of a falcon. He was also presented "in the shape of a sparrow hawk or as a man [or lion] with a hawk's head." 3 He is often shown as an infant cradled by his mother Isis. He was considered to be the son of two major Egyptian deities: the God Osirus and and the Goddess Isis. In adulthood, he avenged his father's murder, and became recognized as the God of civil order and justice. Each of the Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be the living embodiment -- an incarnation -- of Horus. 4

 

"A list of the names of all the gods of Egypt would fill pages. But all these gods were only forms, attribu

tes or phases of Ra, the solar god, who himself was the supreme symbol or metaphor for God....Horus, the son of Osirus and Isis, is himself an aspect of Ra." 6


Life events shared by Horus and Jesus

Stories from the life of Horus had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). If any copying occurred by the writers of the Egyptian or Christian religions, it was the followers of Jesus who incorporated into his biography the myths and legends of Horus, not vice-versa.

According to author and theologian Tom Harpur: "[Author Gerald] Massey discovered nearly two hundred instances of immediate correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus. Horus indeed was the archetypal Pagan Christ." 7
This essay continues below.

Event
Conception: Horus/by virgin | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/by virgin8
Father: Horus/Only begotten son of the God Osiris. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Only begotten son of Yehovah (in the form of the Holy Spirit).
Mother: Horus/Meri. 9 | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Miriam (a.k.a. Mary).
Foster father: Horus/Seb, (Jo-Seph). 9 | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Joseph.
Foster father's ancestry: Horus/Of royal descent. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Of royal descent.
Birth location: Horus/In a cave. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/In a cave or stable.
Annunciation: Horus/By an angel to Isis, his mother. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/By an angel to Miriam, his mother. 8
Birth heralded by: Horus/The star Sirius, the morning star. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/An unidentified "star in the East."
Birth date: Horus/Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (typically DEC-21). | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable Sun), etc.
Birth announcement: Horus/By angels. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/By angels. 8
Death threat during infancy: Horus/Herut tried to have Horus murdered. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
Baptized by: Horus/Anup the Baptiser. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/John the Baptist.
Close followers:Horus/Twelve disciples. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Twelve disciples.
Method of deathHorus/Twelve disciples. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/By crucifixion.
Fate after death:Horus/resurrected after three days. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/resurrected after about 30 to 38 hours (Friday PM to presumably some time in Sunday AM) covering parts of three days.
Common portrayal:Horus/Virgin Isis holding the infant Horus. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Virgin Mary holding the infant Jesus.
Description:Horus/the Lamb. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/the lamb.
Zodiac Sign:Horus/Pisces the fish. | Yeshua of Nazareth, a.k.a. Jesus/Pisces the fish.



Quotes:
Heru:    "I am the possessor of bread in Anu. I have bread in heaven with Ra."
Jesus: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven."

Heru: "I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity...Eternity and everlastingness is my name."
Jesus: "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever."

Egyptian/Kemetians: “Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
Bible: "You reap what you sow."

Get the Facts:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
http://www.africawithin.com/kwaku/virgin_birth.htm
http://www.saxakali.com/suzar/madonna.htm
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/egypt-bible-similarities.html
http://www.daghettotymz.com/current/stolenlegacy-update/stolenlegacy-update.html
http://members.tripod.com/sunbull/id18.htm

Bibliography

   1. Gerald Massey, "The Natural Genesis," Black Classic Press, (Reissued 1998). Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
   2. Tom Harpur, "The Pagan Christ; Recovering the Lost Light," Thomas Allen, (2004), Page 5. Read reviews or order this book.
   3. "Egyptian god Horus, The Louvre, Paris," at: http://ancienthistory.about.com/
   4. Information taken from essays linked to "Horus - Egyptian God," at: http://ancienthistory.about.com/
   5. Images copied from the web site of the Dark Forest of Ulcron, a supplier of Pagan and New Age items, from Athames to Tarot Cards. See: http://www.ulcron.com/ Images used by permission.
   6. Op Cit., Tom Harpur, Page 69.
   7. Ibid,  Page 85.
   8. Ibid, Page 80. Items as seen in the Temple of Luxor, built by Amenhotep III, a pharaoh of the eighteenth dynasty, before 1700 BCE.
   9. Ibid, Page 89.
  10. Ibid, Pages 128 to 136.
  11. Ibid, Page 74. From the confession that humans made in the presence of Horus at the Hall of Maat -- the place of judgment for all.
  12. "The Ritual: The Egyptian Book of the Dead."
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melaninmagic
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 06:42:17 PM »

We as Africans have always, and will always have a natural affinity to THAT WHICH WE PERCEIVE IS GOD.

Basically, our stance is: If it looks like God, then I will follow. Despite the awesomeness of this gift... this spiritual compass that our divine creator has blessed us with to enable us to return back to him, it is also possible that it has been the reason why we were and still are so easily deceived by those who are not with us. When it comes to seeking out our supreme maker, we are essentially like moths to a burning flame.

The so called European Man has known this about Africans since the very beginning, and to this end, sought to strip any knowledge of who we are as a people, and any memory of the God that we serve. European Man has successfully replaced our God with a series of FALSE BEACONS that continually lead us astray, towards a path of conflict and eventual self annihilation.

Is there anyone who can truly fathom the colossal-ness of this pure evil or of the magnitude of the vengeance that will befall upon on all those that remain complicit in this awful deed? Only our God knows.


Keep the faith.
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