Africa Speaks Reasoning Forum

Making Sense of 'The Passion'

I have a major problem with the new movie that is supposed to be about the crucifixion of Yeshua Ben Pendera(Jesus' real name)....

Mel Gibson said he tried to keep it "authentic" by having the entire movie in Arhamaic and Latin....but he forgot to make the caste look authentic by having people with melanin play the roles of the Hebrews! This is an "oversight" that should not be accepted by any Christian! I am not a Christian for MANY reasons. But I do know, like anyone who has ever read the Bible, that the historical Yeshua had "feet of burnt brass" and "hair of lambs wool"(I wonder who that looks like?)....Not to mention he hung out in KMT/Egypt to escape being killed, and that people from the area STILL are of color! The pope prays to a Black madonna and child in his holy of holies in the Vatican! All of the origional Madonna and child depictions were of them being Black! The apocraphal texts say that he was born in a cave in Ethiopia(prior to the Nicene conferance changing it to Nazareth),(The story associated with Yeshua is a direct copy of the KMTic/Egyptian story of Heru nad Ausar)...We can go on and on about the hisorical and mythical proof that Yeshua(and his teachings) are of African origion.

Why are Christians, especially those of color, not up in arms about this false portrayal???

I see them coming out of the theatre crying, instead of angry that the "White God" is being forced on us....once again. Why does the congregation allow the "church" to preach that we should tell the truth...as it promotes a false image of Yeshua?

Any opinions on this topic would be much appreciated. Especially from followers of Yeshua.

Greetings... I have not seen the movie yet but from what I have heard it makes sense to me that this movie is coming out in this time... yo anything that is based in catholicism must come out of the Vatican, ordained by the Pope.. so.. ofcourse it's all about the crussifiction of Yahushua and not His works, not the Christ principles... just death. The tickets sold have gone way over any other movie in history, I don't know what exactly this movie is doing to the psyche of christians out there, but I burn the concept of "Jesus Died for our sins"... No no Yahushua lived to give InI LIFE...
I'll post more after I have viewed the movie.
RasTafari is life eternally
BLESSED

I saw "The Passion of the Christ" last night. There is something radically wrong with this film and mainstream religions, which portray one vast slaughterhouse, saturated in human blood, resulting from the mass murder of one priest by fellow-priests of the same nation being urged by power desires. This film acts as a symbolic of the psychological slaughter  of high morality. Like Mary and Magdalene (the High priestesses of the archaic spiritual tradition) I clean the dead body of higher intellect (Logos or Christ) with my tears, for the power-ego-competition of patriarchy slaughtered the human race 3,000 years ago. I condemn Mel Gibson who believes in ancient fallacies and the madness of thieves. Words cannot describe the gory meaning of this film [smiley=wreck.gif] [smiley=sad2.gif] [smiley=shocked.gif]!!

Bantu Kelani.

I agree that the movie is highly inaccurate.  

Those scriptures that you quoted, though, are from Revelation and are part of John's vision...My perception of them is that the feet of burnt brass refer to the strength of the path he tred - that he walked firm though through heat.  Consider this scripture which also uses "feet" as a metaphor for the act of the person, "How comely upon the mountains are the feet of the one bringing good news, the one publishing peace, the one bringing good news of something better, the one publishing salvation, the one saying to Zion: 'Your God has become king.'" -Isaiah 52:7  

And then - I'd never considered the textural aspect of the "hair of wool" scripture.  So you've opened my eyes here to something new, thanks.  I merely understood that the wool reference meant his hair was white, indicating age & wisdom, but it can also refer to the thicker quality of the hair found in people of color.  Josephus did say Jesus was a "small and dark" man, but I've always taken this to understand that he was a dark Arab man, as that is the region of the world that he was born in according to what is in the scriptures.  We'd discussed this once before already a couple months ago.  Since then I've read a little about the original Hebrews being of black origin on some websites, but what I wanted to read was the book by an author named Ella something...I'm just kind of "behind" in my reading and I've bought so many books lately.

YET ANOTHER inaccuracy in the movie (which I still haven't seen) is that I saw he is carrying a cross when in fact he was impaled on an upright post.  The word cross was inserted into the Biblical texts after it was translated into latin as crux, which means pole or cross.  The original Greek word stauros simply means "stake."  The cross was adopted because it was already popular in Pagan traditions (from Celtic crosses, to similar onks, to the Greek god Tammoz) and it helped bring more non-christians into their psuedo-Christian church in Rome, thus initiating the great whore of organized religion.



INI agree.  Reflect on this scripture, sister

"Jesus said to her: 'I am the resurrection and the life.  He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all."  -John 11:25,26

"The Christian religion is responsible for enthroning the cross of death in heaven, with a deity on it, doing public penance for a private failure in the commencement of creation. It has taught men to believe that the vilest spirit may be washed white, in the atoning blood of the purest, offered up as a bribe to an avenging God. It has divinized a figure of helpless human suffering, and a face of pitiful pain; as if there were naught but a great heartache at the core of all things; or the vast Infinite were but a veiled and sad-eyed sorrow that brings visibly to birth in the miseries of human life. But "in the old Pagan world men deified the beautiful, the glad;" as they will again, upon a loftier pedestal, when the fable of this fictitious fall of man, and false redemption by the cloud-begotten God, has passed away like a phantasm of the night, and men awake to learn that they are here to wage ceaseless war upon sordid suffering, remediable wrong, and preventable pain; here to put an end to them, not to apotheosize an effigy of Sorrow to be adored as a type of the Eternal. For the most beneficent is the most beautiful; the happiest are the healthiest; the most God-like is most glad. The Christian Cult has fanatically fought for its false theory, and waged incessant warfare against Nature and Evolution--Nature's intention made somewhat visible--and against some of the noblest instincts, during eighteen centuries. Seas of human blood have been spilt to keep the barque of Peter afloat. Earth has been honeycombed with the graves of the martyrs of Freethought. Heaven has been filled with a horror of great darkness in the name of God.

Eighteen centuries are a long while in the life-time of a lie, but a brief span in the eternity of Truth. The Fiction is sure to be found out, and the Lie will fall at last! At last! At last!!!"        Gerald Massey  The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ (ca. 1900)

peace and hotep,


mel gibson......hmmmm. the epitome of the angry "white" male. surely he is angry on purpose...... [smiley=lipsrsealed2.gif]


•      We Were Soldiers (2002) .... Hal Moore
•      What Women Want (2000) .... Nick Marshall
•      Patriot, The (2000) .... Colonel Benjamin 'The Ghost' Martin
•      Chicken Run (2000) (voice) .... Rocky Rhodes the Rhode Island Red Rooster
•      Million Dollar Hotel, The (2000) .... Detective Skinner
•      Payback (1999) .... Porter
•      Lethal Weapon 4  .... Detective Sergeant Martin Riggs
•      FairyTale: A True Story (1997) (uncredited) .... Frances' Father
•      Conspiracy Theory (1997) .... Jerry Fletcher
•      Fathers' Day (1997) (uncredited) .... Scott (the body piercer)
•      Ransom (1996) .... Tom Mullen
•      Pocahontas (1995) (voice) .... John Smith
•      Casper (1995) (uncredited) .... Himself
•      Braveheart (1995) .... William Wallace
•      Maverick (1994) .... Bret Maverick
•      Man Without a Face, The (1993) .... Justin McLeod
•      Forever Young (1992) .... Capt. Daniel McCormick
•      Lethal Weapon 3 (1992) .... Martin Riggs
•      Hamlet (1990) .... Hamlet
•      Air America (1990) .... Gene Ryack
•      Bird on a Wire (1990) .... Rick Jarmin
•      Lethal Weapon 2 (1989) .... Detective Sergeant Martin Riggs
•      Tequila Sunrise .... Dale McKussic
•      Lethal Weapon (1987) .... Detective Sergeant Martin Riggs
•      Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) .... Mad Max
•      Mrs. Soffel (1984) .... Ed Biddle
•      River, The (1984) .... Tom Garvey
•      Bounty, The (1984) .... Fletcher Christian Master's Mate
•      Year of Living Dangerously, The (1982) .... Guy Hamilton, Australian Broadcast System Correspondent
•      Attack Force Z (1982) .... Captain P.G. Kelly
•      "Punishment" (1981) TV Series .... Rick Monroe
•      Gallipoli (1981) .... Frank Dunne
•      Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (1981) .... Max
•      Tim (1979) .... Tim
•      Mad Max (1979) .... 'Mad' Max Rockatansky
•      Summer City (1977) .... Scollop





thank you. now  back to angry "white" male or 'anger management'.



it is a good thing that "white" people are seeing "white" people brutalizing "white" peope because "white" people have been bad(see schindler's list) ...."white" peoples need this embarrassment. if anyones want authenticity, just look at WITHOUT SANCTUARY or the story of james byrd jr.

sometimes the truth can be accepted withe sadness
sometimes truth is accepted withe madness

i can't believe that "whites" can accept the cruxifiction of "blackness" as anything other than normal at this point. to "whites" the cruxifiction of "whiteness" is a mechanism of survival.





in the 'white' mindseth, the relationship of the patriarchal and matriarchal is one in which the patriarch is on top/missionary.     [smiley=lipsrsealed2.gif]  

our 'white' children need a continual dose of both of our realities and so do we.


freedomisahapislave

I don't think the spectacle of a black actor being excruciatingly tortured to death on screen would be any more edifying, do you?

I think of Mel's movies and how so many of them feature his own systematic torture. He must get off on that kind of thing. Sick.

peace and hotep,



sista, i am not 'white'. many 'white' people see blacks tortured to death anywhere as edifying......

i see mel gibsons works as expose'.  that is exposing 'white' pseudo-supremacy.  he can't be blatantly opposed to racism and you know this.




rootsie, look at 'braveheart' i beg you and ones.


freedom is a hapi slave

Any hoo ppl i am new WELL new to actually replying on this site and i have ONE thing to say HOW LONG WILL WE ARGUE AN UNRESOLVABLE TOPIC?...The sciprtures of the 'BIBLE' have been butchered over THOUSANDS OF CENTURIES...soooo how could ppl expect ME to believe that when they quote a SO-CALLED scripture that it may be CORRECT?...I have been given the opportunity to explore a foreign land and let me tell U them ppl doh giev ah damn HOW long we argue or HOW long we rebel all they KNOW for a fact is that THEY R THE KEY HOLDERS OF SOCIETY..have u not realised that all they do is class US into group AKA RETREATISTS that have gone against the norms of society anf formed our own values....BUT however who is to say that our values R TRUE and RIGHT?..i have learnt to doubt everything that is placed B4 me..there was a reason for THE PASSIONS and its GENERAL CEMENTING OF CLASSISTS DOCTRINS...it was made to open our realization to the FACT that THIS IS HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE...one day we will rise but as for now..our job is to continually analyse the perplexing issues in the world but ALAS certain aruements will continue forever: RACE,RELIGION,SEXISM,DISCRIMINTATION AND the list could continue ON AND ON but ONE thing will never change...THE ILLS DONE IN TIMES B4 US HAVE UNFORTUNATELY CAST OUT FAITH IN STONE..i for one am not saying to stop debating but just want u all to realise that that is all it is a debate THAT could be distorted to support either arguement according to the skill of the deabtor at hand...as such even though MEl Gibson simply is solidifying the erroneous doctrins of the VATICAN system...UNTIL I LAERN TO SPEAK THE OLDEN LANGUAGE AND GET A HOLD OF THE "ORIGINAL" VERSION OF THE STORY/BIBLE...I see all our arguements as lacking THE ELEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE...and that ELEMENT is TIME...WE WERE NOT THERE AND THUS CANNOT GIVE OUR OPINIONS BASED ON THE EUROPEAN INTERPRETATION OF HISTORY..... :-/

What about the geographical location of where the books of the Helio Biblio were written...or for that matter, the location of the cultures it's stories were plagerized from? For some reason I could have sworn it wasn't Europe!  Is that not a basic FACT?

Know Thyself First!
-Imhotep

BUT IS THE EUROPEANS REWROTE IT AND DISTRIBUTED IT TO THE WESTERN CULTURE MAINSTREAM :-X...SO IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE IT WAS FIRST WRITTEN IT IS WHERE IT WAS EFFECTIVE..THAT IS THE WESTERN SOCIETY... >:(...THUS EVEN THOUGH U SEEM VERY WELL VERSED IN YOUR LITERATURE...YOU R VERY MISCONSTRUED IN YOUR FACTS...


                  the allegory of the cave...socrates....check it out!!!

Plato got his 'cave' from Egypt.
And that is a fact.
The cornerstone of Western Philosophy, Plato's 'ideal forms' is an African idea.

I already know about the student of the KMTetic "mystery" systems... Socrates... The truth is the truth...I feel what you are saying...that is why I practive the spirituality of my ancestors...Ifa...and skip Christianity all together...because I refuse to practice the spirituality of the slavemaster/colonizer, even if it was origionally African....BUT it all did origionate in Africa...and NOT Europe!!! That is the truth, and that is a fact...They can lie as much as they want to by pushing the imagre of a white Jesus...but they can't argue with the truth....

F*** Mel Gibson.
And now, totally off-topic: Douglarasta, are you from GT by any chance? I just wondering cos I figure most dougla people would be from GT or Trini, and it seems like I am the only GT bannah on the board, just wondering if there was another...

No no no I am trini to the bone...lol...so y u say mr. gman that i hadda be guyananese...lol..but any way Mel Gibson has acted in some of the most memorable movies this side of the continent as mentioned by the illustrous mr.setsh's post. But I am very glad that the passions was made because it will force ppl out of their narrow worlds and actually TRY to grasp the meaning of the word METAPHOR :o and internalize SYMBOLISM :-/. At least u gman actually recognises the 'dougla' in the name..it is nice to know that there are others who share a similar cultural background..hope to hear from u more often... ;)

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=45096

THE WHITEWASHING OF THE PASSION  

by Michael Edward  

http://worldvisionportal

Regarding his PASSION movie, Mel Gibson has repeatedly stated in every interview how his film "accurately depicts the crucifixion of Jesus." He stresses how he has consulted with "hundreds of scholars" and has "read hundreds of books over the past 13 years" (note the number 13) to make his movie realistically correct. He went as far as to have a modern dialect of ancient Aramaic, the language of Jesus and his disciples, be spoken throughout the movie. The Romans who were portrayed spoke in a modernized Latin. After people watch this movie, they are astonished at the great lengths Gibson has taken to make his movie so "accurate."  

But I have just one question concerning Gibson's PASSION. I would like to know what scholars or reference books he consulted to portray Jesus as a European looking man with light European skin colour, what the world now racially classifies as a "white man." Perhaps he used the 1970's ABC television movie JESUS OF NAZARETH as a skin tone guide since Jesus was a fair skinned (pronounced "white") and blue eyed man in that movie. Or perhaps he used the 1500's paintings of Jesus made by Michelangelo, who used his pale skinned cousin as his sitting model.  

Just to set the record straight, Jesus' skin was not white: It was dark brown, the same colour as all the indigenous people of the Eastern Mediterranean two thousand years ago. And before someone accuses me of being a black racist, I want you to know that my skin is white, I have blue eyes, and my hair is (naturally) blonde.  

Soon after Jesus was born, Herod is believed to have sent his soldiers to seek and kill him as an infant. To hide Jesus from Herod, we are told his family fled with him to Egypt. The Egypt of that historical time period was a society of dark-skinned Africans, as evidenced in their own hieroglyphs. That region of the world was referred to as Kemet, meaning "the black land," and the inhabitants called themselves Kemetcu, meaning "the black people." It would surely have been an impossible task to hide and blend a light-skinned child among a dark-skinned population.  

Under Emperor Justinian II, the Roman Empire minted a gold coin that pictured Jesus. This coin, which is currently housed in the British Museum, shows a man with clearly non-white facial features and tightly curled hair.  

There is no doubt that suggesting Jesus might have been dark-skinned (pronounced "black") makes most Europeans and Westerners very uneasy... perhaps just as uneasy as dark-skinned Africans feel when Jesus is portrayed as a white, blue-eyed, blonde Aryan.  

What we have here is the whitewashing of the PASSION (pun fully intended). By portraying Jesus as a light-skinned European-American, Gibson's movie creates a religious based clash between Protestant-Catholics (represented by Jesus' inaccurate light skinned portrayal) against the darker skinned Jews who crucified Jesus.  

With that in mind, this movie has sub-consciously triggered a conflict between the white European-American race against darker skinned races, which just happens to include all Arabs, Persians, Syrians, Palestinians, Egyptians, Libyans, etc.  

I deliberately excluded the "Jews" from among the dark-skin races - those people who occupy the current UN established borders, commonly known as Israeli - since nearly all of them migrated from Europe in the modern-day "Exodus" of the 1950's. Modern "Israel" is actually of recent European and American origin, so they are accurately counted among the European-Americans.  

Furthermore, is it any mistake on Gibson's part that this movie is graphically violent? What Gibson's movie is triggering, without conscious knowledge by most viewers, is a violent racial conflict between white and black because, in modern racial terms, ‘black' is any skin colour from light brown to dark black.  

Gibson's PASSION movie is an absolute WHITEWASH in terms of both colour and accuracy, but this is no mistake. It's an attempt to re-write history in order to make it fit the current agenda of the "powers that be."  

Gibson's controllers have done an excellent job in promoting their agenda, right down to having nearly everyone believe that this movie is "accurate."  

 :o.......I NOT MEANING TO BE RUDE BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.......WHOOOO CAREESSSSSSSSSS WHETHER HE WAS WHITE OR BLACKKKKKKKKKKKK?..ALL YUH  CLOSE MINDED IDEALISTS/RETREATISTS STARTING TO TICK ME OFF REAL BAD.....THE POINT OF THE BLOOCLAT MOVIE WAS TO SHOW HUMAN HUMILITY, COMPASSION AND MOST OF ALL LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE................OHHHHHHHHHHHH MYYY GOSHHHHHHHHHH ALL THE MELANIN IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE ARE SINNERS AND HEEEEEEEEEE DIED FOR OUR SINSSSSSSSSS..........PEOPLE WWAKEEEEEEEE UPPPPPPPPPPPP.......THE TIME FOR DEBATING WHAT COLOUR JESUS WAS DONE LONG TIME WITH BIN LADIN, ABU BAKER AND THE REST AH REBELS IN HAITI........OPEN YUH  MIND AND REALISE THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE WHAT IS DONE BUT WE CAN AND SHOULD BUILD WHAT IS TOMORROW..........WIITH THAT SAID I DOH WHA NOBODY SEND MEH NO S**T BOUT HOW JESUS WAS NOT WHITE AND WHY HE HAIR STRAIGHT WHEN THE BIBLE SAY HE FOOT WAS OF BRASS AND HE HAIR WAS OF WOOOL.....................................I REALLY AND TRULY DO NOT GIVE  ABOUT HE RACE/GENDER/COMPLEXION/HAIR TYPE OR FLIPPING WHERRE THE HELL HE WAS BORN......................THAT IS NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT THE POINTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT................STOP THIS INSNAITYYYYY  >:( AND JUST THANK THE MAN FOR WHAT HE DID................I OUTTTTTTTTTT....DAMN IT!!!! >:( :-/

TO TELL YUHTHE HONEST TRUTH I HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE MOVIE YET YUH KNOW..YES I HAVE NOT SEEN IT BUT I JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVE...I LIKE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE RESPOND TO RISQUE OPINIONS THAT STIR AND SIZZLE THEIR CENTRAL BEING...IT WILL FORCE YOU ALLL WHO ARE SO WRAPPED IN YOUR NEAT LITTLE WORLD THE WAKE UP CALL NEEDED TO REALIZE THAT THE WORLD IS NOT ALL GLITS AND GLAMOUR.....SOOOOOOO GET OVER IT...I WAS ONCE LIKE YOU ALL...BICKERING AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND TRANSFORM THE WORLD..THEN I SAW A QUOTE IN A STORE..'PLEASE GOD GIVE ME THE STRENGHT TO ACCEPT THE THINGS THAT I CANNOT CHANGE AND DO WHAT I MUST TO CHANGE THE THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN MY EARTHLY GRASP'...AND AS SUCH I REALLY JJUST REALIZED THAT SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING WARRED OVER CENTURIES MAY JUST BE THAT......A WARRRR...A NEVER ENDING BATTLE....A FORTRESS....A NECESSARY EVIL.....GIVING US THE DRIVE TO MOVE ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....I AM NOT SAYING RENOUNCE WHAT U KNOW...BUT IF IS ONE THING I GATHERED FROM MY READINGS OVER THE YEARS...IS THAT.....HE NEVER TRIED TO WIN BATTLES HE JUST SIMPLY STATED WHAT WAS THE TRUTH AND MOVED ON....AND IF IS ONE THING I KNOW EVEN THOUGH HE WAS OF A DARK COMPLEXTION HE WAS NOT EXCLUSIVELY BLACK..IT WAS ALSO PROVEN THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE SOMEWHAT ARABIC IN NATURE.....NOTE I SAID SOMEWHAT SO DO NOT CHOKE ON YOUR DINNER WHILST READING THIS AND ALL......CHA....I AM GLAD THAT I HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON LIFE..I ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL....THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND...BUT I STILL STICK TO MY POINT.....WE REALLY NEED TO STOP DWELLING ON SUCH MATTTERS WHEN IT HAS SO MANY OTHER ATTRIBUTES TO THE MOVIE THAT.........................I HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN....THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT!!!!

First of all, i think this issue is worth reasoning with...first to establish InI beliefs, instead of being led blindly around issues; and second, to recognize fiction when it is there and turn it into fict-shun.

anyway,
I think that I will add my reasoning to this discussion. I have chosen not to see this movie, because i feel that it goes against the beliefs of InI. InI do not need to focus on the death. InI overstand this pain and suffering. InI have felt the lashes of the whip thru slavery, thru the Jim Crow laws in America in the 1960s. InI don't need to re-live the suffering that InI have been subjected to for centuries, and are still subjected to today. InI focus on the miracles of JAH, touchin the man who can't walk upright, feedin the oppressed. These give I strength, and I-spire. InI gotta remember that, not death. Yeshuah died to give InI freedom, not depression. InI seh JAH LIVE, not JAH DIED! Emancipate the self from this mindset bredren and sistren...it could be a trap!
JAH LIVE FOREVER!!!!

Legacy

Douglarasta:

Well I find it quite strange that someone would come to a website called Africa speaks and expect issues like this not to be debated and questioned. I wonder what you expected to find???

First of all I find your response here to be quite ignorant:
douglarasta

Well obviously many of us do… and obviously so did the Europeans who went to such great lengths to change the image of a man from African/Semitic/ Dark skinned to a white blue eyed, blond haired (sometimes brown haired) European. I wonder why?? Why go to such lengths if the colour of this man did not matter?  And if his colour does not matter why should it offend, upset, annoy when folks choose to state unequivocally that Jesus was black? Well if you believe that painting someone who many people believe is the son of god in an erroneous image as a European has no effect on other races who have been subject to racism, discrimination and self hatred then you are quite naïve indeed.  If you choose not to see this as a part of a systematic white washing of all our Gods and Goddesses, as a deliberate construct, part and parcel of the racism that Christianity has perpetrated for centuries then that is your choice. However informed Africans reserve the right to question this and speak out against it.

You also say: douglarasta

Well this may be your belief and if you choose to see yourself as a sinner then that is quite your affair. But for those who choose to have a more enlightened view of spirituality and do not buy the Christian idea of Jesus being the Son of God or one sent to redeem us of some unknown sin, this statement is quite arrogant and ludicrous indeed.  Because some believe Jesus to be the messiah that certainly does not mean that his race/ethnicity does not matter, and it is an excellent indication of where the world is at when we see this image still being perpetuated. The fact is that whites cannot stand to see their image of ‘god’ with the face of a black man. And that is the bottom line. We must look at this continued misrepresentation through the lens of historical racial abuses. It is the right and duty of all people to question why, though all evidence has pointed to the contrary, we still see this image of a white Jesus. If you choose not to question it fine, but do not come into a forum spewing venom at those who choose to discuss the issue.

Personally I find the idea of the movie quite distasteful and have no desire to see it, as I have no desire to see any movie that depicts a myth that has done damage to the psyche’s African people worldwide. I have no taste for gore or lies and I see nothing enlightening in watching anyone being brutally murdered. I have no comment on the content of the movie whatsoever as I see nothing new or uplifting in the movie itself or the story upon which it is based. But I do reserve the right to discuss the ethnicity of a historical figure whose memory has affected the course of world history.

In your second post you state that there are some things that cannot be changed and people should move on. Well, informed people respectfully reserve the right to choose what battles they will fight and what is within their power to change.  You also say your posts were an attempt to:  douglarasta

Well this is a tall order that I daresay you have not fulfilled.  You have stated nothing new here, just that same old diatribe that has been spewed for years. Those who know the truth simply state it. In your arrogance all you have achieved here is to show yourself as quite poorly informed.


yan

Douglarasta...

In your second post you state that there are some things that cannot be changed and people should move on.
Can you imagine if the diciple's of Yeshua felt this way? There were only twleve of them and look at what has changed! (although I do realize that it was the political state of Christiandom, and colonization and slavery that spread the religion around the planet, hence I am not a Christian.)

The enemy of humanity wants us to believe that how it is, is how it always has been, and how it always will be. We CAN and WILL reclaim our place in the world as African people. That to me is worth dieing for!!!
Africa will unite, it is only a matter of when. Individuals can do very little, but collective organized masses with a common ideology and goal can change our reality. Does our reality not need changing? Or are you comfortable with the physical, emotional, spiritual, and mental/psychological suffering of the masses of African people and humanity in general?

The only thing constant is change!

"You are my witnesses," is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me and that you may understand that I am the same One.  Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  -Isaiah 43:10

So shun Christendom and become a member of Christ's true faith, which JAH names cold and simple in Is 43:10, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.  No man is a Christian, because Christian means Christ-like, and I have yet to meet an individual who deserves such a title...

Just out of curiosity, what would you expect to see in a 'Christ-like' person?

How do you think you would be able to tell if such a person is for real or not?

What sets this person apart from others?

 ;)I see and "overstand" your point out_of_Zion.

That is why I don't chastize anyone who practices the true form of spirituality that Yeshua preached. I just prefer to follow in the footsteps and honor my direct ancestors form West Africa and their spiritual practices.(If we weren't enslaved...us Africans in the West would be practicing the spirituality of Ifa, Vudun, Fon, or Dahomey practices, and many of us still do in the West, although it has been mixed with Catholicism) I practice Ifa of the Yuroba(no Catholicism)...Which if researched shows...The Yoruba migrated from the Nile Valley region about 2000 years ago to their current location in Nigeria, Sierre Leone, and Benin(also small populations in other countries that formerly were Yurobaland prior to colonization). The spiritual concepts are similar in many ways to those of the Nile Valley civilizations...The Orishas can be compared to the Neteru....The aspects of the "ALL", Olodumare with Amen(both mean the hidden one), Olorun with Ausar...Yemeya with Hathor, Oshun with Auset(hence my name) Ancestor veneration and respect for nature are predominant...ect. And since the spiritual teachings of the Nile Valley civilizartions were what Yeshua was trained in...by extension I am LIVING the true spirituality. I have major issues with the perverted and distorted Helio Biblio...and REFUSE to believe that my direct ancestors needed it, if they did not already have it, especially with the way it was introduced to us of West African stock....Sorry, I can't get past that contradiction...

Man, Oshun_auset, I cannot help but admit to feeling slightly ignorant when you speak of your faith and ancestry.  It's a source of embarassment for the I because INI like to relate to people on a spiritual level and overstand the spiritual inclinations of all peoples.  I do believe that JAH is the source of all power & energy in this universe and that many people get to know the true God many different ways (which differs from the opinion of many of my brothers who are somewhat closed minded, I feel).

I've always had a very Catholic attitude (I was raised Catholic indeed), Catholic meaning universal, in believing that many people are on a path to meeting the true God, Yehowah or Jehovah or Allah, and being judged according to their deeds.  I also believe that as Paul said in Romans that people can be "a law unto themselves," thus if they are righteous people they will be judged righteous by our Lord Jah.  I don't pretend to have any special ability to deliniate and say that someone must have a certain theology to enter the kingdom of the Eternal.
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Ayinde - my point was somewhat satirical.  I don't believe any of us can attain a Christ-like state enough to call ourselves true Christians.  While some of us may display Christ-like qualities, we never acheive a truly selfless & sinless state like Yeshua himself was.  It is my belief that only after the milennial reign will we acheive such perfection and harmony with one another.  It is something I dream about, a hope that keeps me going in this world, ya gather?

I had to post this picture under this subject now that I finally know how to do it...

(http://earthcultureroots.com/catalog/images/MYSTICAL-JOURNEY.jpg)

http://www.africana.com/funstuff/comics/boondocks/fs20040419boon.asp

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peace and hotep,

it is predictable that all boards where africans in amorica congregate will be visited by cointelpro.

if we don't form a national congress of like minds  
we won't stand a chance.

africa unite  [smiley=lipsrsealed2.gif]

to save our incited and angry 'white' children

freedomisahapislave

Oshun_Auset- awesome picture! thank ya for sharin' that...i have never seen a Black Yeshua depicted in a published picture before...only ini friends work. Also- i have that comic strip of Boondocks taped on I wall!

seshatasefekht7- powerful response! SELAH!!!

one love,
Legacy

OHM.not trying to destroy anyones faith of a dying savior (which is more of Symbolically than Fact),but the Earliest and True followers of Yashua Ben Yosef and Magdalene KNEW that he didnt even die on the cross at all,but knew of certain (what some would call Voodoo)practices from India and Afrika (particularly Egypt),trust me when i tell you,some Yogis can fool u in MANY ways,for i knew of scriptures in India that will tell u that he didnt die,but lived to a RIPE old age,the Qu'ran tells u he didnt,theGnostic Gospels tell u he didnt,and there are certain Mystery schools (some exoteric scriptures are HIDDEN in the vatican,but are coming to light,we are entering a NEW AGE soon)that know the Truth.you can also find it in the Ible,if ones want to say its not in there.

Last but not least,for some reason,they Really dwell on DEATH ALOT,Hmmmm....i wonder why?Namaste

I completely agree...good point to make(although you may get  lot of resistance from some)...Others think that is what the "Holy Grail" is...the "secret" he never actually died...The Roscecrutians and Knights Templar knew it...And it is too bad the masses are being fooled. Modern Christianity is Mithraic religion revisited....Yeshua was a student of the KMTic spiritual systems, but that's a whole other conversation.

I like Yeshua because he was a revolutionary against Roman imperialism...I get political motivation from him...but I'd rather go to the origional(and untampered) KMTic system and other traditional African spiritual practices than Christianity...the Helio Biblio borrowed to heavily from pre-existing traditions and has been tampered with too much by our oppressors for me to trust it for spiritual enlightenment.

Ras_Legacy,

Your wlecome...there are a lot of good ones in the Greek and Roman catacombs that depict his as such too....They also show Yeshuas relation to the KMTic and Mythraic practices before him...they have symbols of both on the reliefs. The earliest depictions looked like this...so of course they had to be altered...It's hard to find them anywhere...I was really lucky to come across this one. Here is a link that has the black and white versions of the catacomb pictures...Not very good...but viewable...

http://www.ibiblio.org/nge/blacked/bl1.html

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