Yan, you said:
"Well as far as i know Ras Tafari is not based on pure African tradiitons anyway, it is largely Christian in its outlook( i:e reliance on the bible, judeo christian traditions etc). How then could it be the answer to the current state of the world in regards to this post? How do you see Ras Tafari glorifying ancient african religions/traditions?"
There is a thread on the forum that the I should check out:
"RASTAFARI IS !
qoute from another message :
Bantu Biko wrote " the problem is white supremacy ,the only logical and psychological response is Black Consciousness"
Garvey taught us about seeing God through our own spectacles! he talked about an Ethiopian God , a black God ( yo! he even went further to say not GOD of Abraham , Jacob and Isaac).
Like I have said bookshelf spirituality is not going to take anywhere. I respect the ancient texts and corresponding ideas and philosophies. The reality then was characterised by perfect and harmonious situation . Now black people are concrete slaves wherever they find themselves . They may be exceptions but in general if we talk abot the race as whole! we are owned and controlled! That is reality at personal , national and continental level !
Doc Ben talks about the relation between religion and culture ; he says religion is deification of culture hence if one looks at religion one sees that saints and the god resemble the nation it was "revealed to".
I have grown up under (isi)Xhosa culture which emphasised three aspects of JAH : these being
all pervasive of jah i.e immanence , surely what here is reffered as cosmic ; the localised aspect and the supreme godhead which is the personal nature ( u Qamata: an analysis of the word reflects that this one is a combination of
father and mother).
ok for me HIM and the EMPRESS MENEN fit the supreme godhead and they directly relate to our situation .Hence i have written elsewhere responding to Bantu :
"yes I , Sellasie I IS THE ALMIGHTY!he is the creator ,the mantainer ,the sustainer ,the defender and the developer! he is in one , he is for i ,with i and he is THE i!!
his majesty as can be realised as in creation ,the universal aspect ! he can be realised in the local aspect in I and I WITH THE HEART AND THE MIND . the third and the highest is in his personal form ! the kingly character , the warrior- priest . HE INSPIRES US TO COMPLTE THE HISTORICAL TASK : EMANICIPATION OF THE race .
sellasie i is ,now and for IVER !
STUDY , TEACH AND STRUGGLE
AFRICA AWAITS ITS CREATORS , ARE YOU ONE
blessed my lord and empress
bless up "http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/config.pl?read=34361
and I responded:
I am merely trying to overstand where the I is coming from. I come with humble respect.
Is the I saying that Emperor Haile Selassie and Empress Menen fit the concept of GOD perfectly in THIS time and that while looking in the past to the concepts previous to colonization is great to overstand the ROOTS, that implementing those ways AS THEY WERE CONCEIVED IN A TIME OF PEACE would not be of the MOST benefit to fowarding towards liberation TODAY -- That the culture and ideology must REFLECT the REALITY of TODAY's environment?
Correct I if I am wrong. Give thanks for the reasoning, very insightful.
in which sivuyile responded:
"i am saying iyah.You put it so irie ,my lord.i will qoute the i
"that while looking in the past to the concepts previous to colonization is great to overstand the ROOTS, that implementing those ways AS THEY WERE CONCEIVED IN A TIME OF PEACE would not be of the MOST benefit to fowarding towards liberation TODAY -- That the culture and ideology must REFLECT the REALITY of TODAY's environment?"
that is my point !!!!
I also posted this as my overstanding of Rastafari alogn with the symbol of Haile Selassie and its validity to my overstanding:
I posted this in response to that post:
'I sight up Haile Selassie as a symbol of the ancient principle of God in man, not as an idol to be worshipped, but rather as a reminder of I and I. The name means Power of the Trinity or might of the 3. If ones have studied the meanings of numbers and geometry, the name Haile Selassie is indeed an accurate expression of one of the fundamental observable laws of creation, being the unity following the division. 1 = fundamental, 2 = division, 3 = the union once again after division.
Emporor Haile Selassie and Empress Menen are also viewed as the feminine and masculine principles in creation, co-creators.
Humans have always expressed in symbols, finite to express the infinite.
I do indeed see many caught up in wastes of energy debating theories and speculation pertaining to the bible and the divinity of Haile Selassie and also as an excuse for continued ignorance.'
. . .
'I think debating biblical validity for something in the heart and apparent in nature and the cycles of the heavens is absolutely silly and a waste of energy. I know Rasta is not Haile Selassie, Haile Selassie is a symbol of Rasta. Ethiopia is the place of the birth of mankind, Selassie is a symbol of Ethiopia(which I know is not the only area once considered greater Ethiopia). Ethiopia and the areas to the south where the Nile flowed from are the homelands of the culture which flourished and evolved in Khemet. Jesus Christ is a version of Horus, the Virgin Mary a symbol of Isis impregnated by God/Osiris to bring forth the Son. Nothing new under the SUN. The Pharoah represented the God-King, the same way I see Haile Selassie as a SYMBOL. I know Rasta is spoken of as a place in the Book of Coming Forth by Day. Rasta is a place known tens of thousands of years ago.
Indeed, as Bantu-Kelani states:
"The Universe is DYNAMIC, always in constant flux...yet we humans wish to not go along with the rest of the Universe! Self examination can only be a benefit. Indeed, all social problems are direct result of people not knowing the content of their OWN minds "
"those who get lost in symbols and do not pierce the veil to get the meaning of the symbol have not pierced ignorance and are still living in ignorance and have really deluded themselves" '"