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peace and hotep,
leslie, when you state:
"This is a deliberate attempt to distract from the original ideas and positions of the posters on this forum. No where in their reasoning suggests such foolishness.",
ayinde states in this same thread(citation below):
"Conscious dark-skin Black leadership does not give dark-skin blacks privileges, so they do not contribute to the problem by being the leadership. However, white and light-skin folks, no matter how well intended they are in leadership positions, allow for more white and light-skin privileges."
he distinquishes 'conscious dark-skin Black leadership' from 'dark skin blacks'
but leslie, does he distinquish 'conscious light skin folks' from regular 'light skin folks.
ARE THERE ANY CONSCIOUS LIGHT SKIN FOLKS?
leslie, sorry, but this is "an original ideas and positions of a posters on this forum":
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Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Posted By: Ayinde
Date: Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 4:26 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans (rasi)
rasi said: "the points raised, are very similar to the idea that dark skin is more imporatant when leading african-centered orgainizations. both ideas focus on skin color as a primary factor when determining suitability for a job/position"
* Conscious dark-skin Black leadership does not give dark-skin blacks privileges, so they do not contribute to the problem by being the leadership. However, white and light-skin folks, no matter how well intended they are in leadership positions, allow for more white and light-skin privileges. There will never be a case that on the basis of merit a white or light-skin person will be more knowledgeable about the ills in the system than a dark-skin kinky-hair Black person who is conscious of systematic racism and colorism among other ills.
People do not call it racism when Blacks say that whites do not know of Black experiences when addressing racism. So in a similar manner, if I stated that I am addressing racism and colorism in which light-skin folks are the beneficiaries of material advantages, then it stands to reason that who feels it the MOST knows it the MOST. Keeping with that correct line of reasoning, those who experience the brunt of the negative effects of both racism and colorism on a systematic basis, along with being conscious of themselves, ARE best suited to articulate and lead the struggle for reform.
I feel that some of you who are friends with gman should reason with him about his comments instead of ignoring his comments and appearing to be only targeting operators of this website and a selected few who agree with us.
Here is a link to gman's post that was largely ignored:
Re: What is "Leadership"?
http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/archive1/config.pl?noframes;read=73864
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leslie, this is only one of many distraction that called for my response:
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Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
Posted By: seshatasefekht
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 7:20 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board (rasi)
peace and hotep,
rasi, much more blessings.
in amorica, in the "peculiar institution", our children were stripped away like livestock. light-skinned babies, dark-skinned babies.
how were families maintained in africa, the caribbean, central and south amorica.
haven't we all been confused? if i have a variety of skin toned children, why would i accept any ones definition of 'leadership' for my children? the dark one should lead the lighter one? why, these children are intrinsicly connected to each other. who are ones to set emnity between them?
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leslie, other issues withe the "research" has been noted: misleading title of this thread, the participants of the research, yet, i was accused of "resistence" and you have accused me of being "distracting" and "spamming"
i agree withe j.a rogers:
"J.A. Rogers immigrated to the United States in 1906 and became a naturalized citizen in 1917. Despite his light complexion and mulatto background, Rogers bitterly discovered that Black people were all treated the same, no matter the complexion. Rogers, however, rejected the dogma of white superiority, even as a child. In a class and color conscious Jamaica, the young Rogers observed, "I had noticed that some of my schoolmates were unmixed blacks and were, some of them, more brilliant than some of the white ones." Rogers grew up around Blacks who were physicians and lawyers--graduates of "the best English and Scottish Universities." This realization that the doctrine of white superiority was contradicted by the talent and expertise of Black intellect inspired Rogers to begin his research into the Black experience. "
leslie, when you state:
"Your posts come across as ‘spamish’ and destined to continually distract from the issues being discussed. It seems that you are hell-bent on trying to slander the administrators of this website. If you are so unhappy with the way issues are reasoned here, you are free to leave.",
i use the term "slander" describing discipleoftheniles behavior toward my posts which he never backed up:
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reality check: this is slander....
Posted By: seshatasefekht
Date: Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:25 p.m.
In Response To: Finally! (discipleofthenile
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now, leslie, when did i slander "the administrators of this website". i am really noticing how a few dark skinned africans blame lighter complextiond africans at home and abroad for not being darker.
when soldiers left the amoricas to fight italian aggression in ethiopia, many complextions heeded the call.
freedomisahapislave
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