What do you think about multiracial children ?

[exoticmxml]

Oh my,
Gman i can't wait for your response. I've been debating this subject for a long time. I even did my Master's and Doctorate thesis on the subject. So by all means respond to me, I always like debating with someone who denounces what they are verbally and throught their actions.

[gman]

This is a bit off topic but having mentioned those derogatory terms for white folks, I thought I'd outline what I know about the etymology of those words, since etymology is interesting to me and I dare say to other people.
Honky: as far as I have heard, derives from when white men would drive into Harlem looking for prostitutes. As they would be afraid to come out of their car when they entered Harlem, they would *honk* the horn to summon the pimp to escort them to the prostitute--- hence "honky".
Cracker: depending who you ask, it either refers to "whip-cracker" or to "redneck cracker", i.e., white people's reddened necks would burn and crack in the sun.
Devil: derives from the Nation of Islam mythology that says white people are "grafted devils" who were bred by a mad scientist called Yakub 6000 years ago. But I would bet money it was in use long before the NOI emerged, referring to the obvious devilish characteristics of the oppressor.
Wasichu: American Indian term meaning literally "fat-taker"; i.e. greedy person who takes all the fat and doesn't share it.
Haole: Native Hawaiian term, means "without soul".
Backra: used throughout the caribbean, certainly Guyana anyway. Not sure of the etymology of this one but have heard it refers to whippings making one's "back raw". Have heard another explanation too but I don't remember it.
Apart from one of the possible meanings of "cracker", and apart from the NOI mythology, none of these terms refer specifically to physical characteristics like skin color, they refer to behavior and conduct. Hence I wonder if they could really be called "racist" terms even if you think Black people can be "racist" to white people in the system as it exists.

[Bantu_Kelani]

Oh my,
Gman i can't wait for your response. I've been debating this subject for a long time. I even did my Master's and Doctorate thesis on the subject. So by all means respond to me, I always like debating with someone who denounces what they are verbally and throught their actions.

It is cool Yan you had to do what you had to do to keep the house in order I’m not mad at you…

Anyways, it makes no sense for me to debate an individual like that, but I have to say this...

eh! exoticmxml you are a proud bi-racial then you not black. Is it not funny in this world you are looked upon as less and you are inferior as blacks in white people eyes. That doesn't do anything because you are a proud bi-racial man right? The only reason I a pro black black person would allow my time and interest to bi-racials is if they manifest pride to be part black that’s all. But you come here in this pro BLACK forum missing humility you think I will consider you? What's your point? Does it make any pro black black person feel any inferior you are proud to be half cr.. sorry..white in this planet? I have no problem letting you come here all fired up claiming to be part of the enemy (yours too) that’s indeed for your best interest. You don't even have dignity. Peace.

B.K

[gman]

Exotic dude!
Sup dawg, here I am to respond to you homey.
I'll happily answer to Black, brown, African, Afro-Celtic, Guyanese, Welsh, 'Ackneyite, or Rasta. Even "nigga" if it's a Black or brown person calling me that who is from a certain culture (say, New York City).
"Multiracial" though, what does that mean? Expand your concept of "race" a little and there are very few people who are not "multiracial" to some extent or another. The Anglo-Saxons and the Celts considred themselves as different races although they looked the same. Ashanti people did not used to think of themselves as being the same "race" as Igbo people.
Let me see if I get what you're saying... first you say you have not had horrible experiences from Black people for being "multiracial", then you talk about the horrible prejudice against multiracial people by monoracial people including Blacks. Which is it?
What's the difference between you and a "monoracial" Black person? That you have white or some other race in you, right? So when you go on about keeping multiracial people as a pure race (ONE OF THE MOST UTTERLY HILARIOUS THINGS I HAVE EVER READ, THANX FOR THE LAUGH *BRO*!), you're saying you want to keep that balance of Black and white genes, right? So what am I supposed to think other than that you are reversing the old plantation ideology that said "mulattos are a nasty hybrid breed with all the worst qualities of both races" and replacing it with "mulattos are the chosen ones, and people with white blood are superior to people with only Black blood"?
Let me get this straight, you only hang out with/date other "multiracial" people? I think that's a bit weird man, to be honest. Well I guess it takes all sorts, or whatever.
In the ultimate sense, race is an illusion, we are all the same race in an ultimate scientific sense, as there is more genetic diversity within any one race, than there is between any two races.
In the here and now gritty reality sense, I identify as Black, African, not "multiracial". That doesn't mean I deny the other side of my heritage, it's wicked to be Welsh too! *wicked meaning good*
Why would I only identify with other "multiracial" people when I could identify with all Black people, which includes "multiracial" people with Black in em, at least those who look Black.
I don't have any kids yet, when I do, I couldn't care less whether the mother is midnight-black, brown like me, or lighter skinned than me, as long as she's Black. (It's my personal prerogative to choose who I want to be my baby's mother and personally I don't want to have no kids with a white woman).
I've dated "monoracial" Black women, a "biracial" woman like me, a woman of East Indian descent and a Brazilian woman who I have no idea what all races are inside her although for sure she has African and indigenous blood and probably some European.
If you want to exclusively hang out with and date other "multiracial" people and consider yourselves some sort of separate race that needs to be kept "pure" (I STILL CAN'T GET OVER THAT, ROFLMFAO!!!!), that's your prerogative, but forgive me for thinking of you as a little weird.
That's about all I could think of for now.

[exoticmxml]

What an utterly stupid and nonsensical response bantu. First of all what on God's green earth are you talking about? Your syntax and grammar are horrible. Secondly, you are the one that is misguided. You are missing my point in that we, as bi/multiracial people, do not view monoracial people as the enemy, however, our leeriness is well founded insofar as individuals like yourself's mono mentality. Wake up, it's the new millenium and you don't have to define yourself in the set standards of racial make-ups. What specifically is your point anyway?

[Yann]

Gman,

We don’t have a history of people using those terms to address ignorant, silly, arrogant and even racist whites who come to these boards. We have done well reasoning with them, sharing our views or ignoring them if we feel. If they are not interested in learning they eventually move on. That seems to be a far better way to deal with them instead of using ‘racist’, or casually colloquial terms to describe anyone or allowing the reasoning to shift to a question of who has the right to use "racist insults" to whom.

[Bantu_Kelani]

Exoticmxml, my grammar and syntax are what they are.. I am Kongolese I am not posting to impress you with my English or anyone else on theses boards. You say you are proud to be half white, so stick with that and leave pro black blacks alone! I seek no "points" with you, you are not interesting to me.

B.K

[exoticmxml]

Well talk about hilarity gman which response should I address first. Well how about you stating that I "cant make up my mind" as in saying I, personally, haven't had horrific experiences with blacks or whites, however, (And forgive me if this gets a little to complex for your mind) I made a general statement with regards to some of my bi/multiracial friends relating their "horrible experiences" with monoracial people. Ok, on to the next inaccurate accusation. Where did I say anything about being a "pure race"? I think I indicated that there are many of us who consider ourselves a different race from the normatively defined races. If you took the statement i made about poisoning our gene pool as an insinuation of racial purity then you misunderstood me. What i meant and still mean is that there are certain physical as well as biological characteristics bi/multiracial people have that other races don't. I happen to love those qualities and your right it's your preference to date monoracial black women just as it is my preference to only date women that are of my own racial make-up. You address the term multiracial as though everyone is somewhat multiracial in their origins. Let me give you a little genetic/physics lesson. Biracial = the child of two different racially classified persons. Multi-racial = the child of two different racially classified persons either parent having multiple ethnicities. Does that make any sense. You also make reference to "Mulattos being a combination of the worst of the black and white races" and treated as such in the times of slavery. My only comment is where do you get your sources and how credible are they? Please, continue to comment because I love to debate this subject with anyone.

[exoticmxml]

Good for you bantu. If i am not interesting why respond to my posts. Also, you seem to have the misconception that I profoundly pronounce that i am "half white". When did i say that? I said and will say it again that bi/multiracial people are a different race. Where did you get the inference to being half white? You, on the other hand, are very interesting in that listening to your simplistic ideologies is not only humorous, but entertaining as well.

[Oshun_Auset]

Honky: as far as I have heard, derives from when white men would drive into Harlem looking for prostitutes. As they would be afraid to come out of their car when they entered Harlem, they would *honk* the horn to summon the pimp to escort them to the prostitute--- hence "honky".

Gman...FYI...Actually I read and heard it was when Eruopeans men used to drive around Harlem at night "slumming"(a commen passtime for Europeans at the time). The African women had to take the bus home from their day jobs in the Eruopeans' homes as domestic servants, and they would only reach Harlem at night. The Eruopean men would then erroneousely mistake the African domestic servants that were walking home to their families from the bus stop as prostitutes. They would then honk at the African women and were therefore called "honkies" for being disrespectful and stupid.

I'm with you. This guy is a nut case. It takes all kinds. And you know weirdos pop up here every now and again like any other forum. I mean, the guy didn't even read this site long enough to realize it is an international posting board and that the "mastery" of English or lack thereof is a non-issue to insult someone with. He also didn't attack the grammer of the European poster...which is most telling IMO. Xenophobic and/or a grammer freak only with non-Europeans.

Kelani, you are correct. He is not worth your time or energy.

Exotic thing,

I know I am going to regret it but here goes...I'm not asking for a direct response...I just think you should ask yourself these questions...

What attracted you to a board called 'Africa Speaks' if you do not consider yourself an African or part of the African family? Was it just the subject of this thread? If so, why would you think you would find anyone with your ideology on a board with this title? If you didn't think you would find like minded folk...What is your point in posting? To just be argumentative with folk you know will never agree with you? Why would you want to waiste your time in that case?

P.S. Do you do a brown paper bag test with your friends and associates? Or are you more of the "blue vein" society type?
It frightens me that people still think as you do, and are mistakenly 'proud' enough to post about it.  I'm quite aware there are plenty that think as you, I run into them often in the Southern United Snakes, but most feel uncomfortable stating it around folk they know frown upon it, at least most stick to some closed forum Yahoo group where you can stroke each others egos and mentally masturbate. Speaking of, I have a feeling you came from one of those forums. Why not find your home? Here, you are like a fish out of water. But of course I cannot tell you what to do or where to post, so you are free to gasp for air until you choke here. This will be my first and final post to this subject.

I will be taking Yan's advice. To ignore you.

I'm out.

[Bantu_Kelani]

I mean, the guy didn't even read this site long enough to realize it is an international posting board and that the "mastery" of English or lack thereof is a non-issue to insult someone with. He also didn't attack the grammer of the European poster...which is most telling IMO. Xenophobic and/or a grammer freak only with non-Europeans.

Yes, I noticed! So much attention on the black woman voice what’s the deal?

Sistah Oshun Auset, let's ignore this fool and handle our business.
He should go to a website more in line with his thinking. Might I suggest inter-racial.com!

B.K

[gman]

Seen, Yan, no problem.
One reason I brought that up is that by coincidence (synchronicity?) I used the "C" word (not the four letter one that is commonly used here in Britain as general abuse for anyone, but the seven letter one normally used in america as a term of abuse for whites/racist whites) in a post on the "All are free to follow His Majesty" or whatever that thread is named. Never saw BK's original post that was deleted, but we  must have been moved to use the word at about the same time. Anyway that's in one of my posts on that thread if there's a problem with it.
Respect

[Empress_Zauditu_Ariel-YAH]

Greetings,
This is my first post here on this forum, so I would like to extend a heartful greeting to all memebers and visitors.
Blessed Love!

Now on to the topic at hand......

I have read quite a few posts here regarding all sorts of interracial topics.  First of all, I am an interracial sista myself.    I smile as I type that because I rarley point that out to others or even think of myself as one. I guess this is because, I was raised in a household (mother = syrian/indian; father = dark, African descendant) where race was not an issue, and that is my foundation.  Up until I was about seven years I thought that I was no different from my mother, and was not reminded that I was black until I went around her side of the family, and  until I came to the US..  Therefore, I was raised to be void of color, and if I ever asked where my ancestors came from, the response was often "Never mind that, you are here now."  I am now 25 years and in the past five years I have been learning about what it means to be a black woman, since I have basically lived my life as if I was fair skinned, and also because, in contrast to how I was raised, that is what my outward appearance reflects. I must admit that I have found myself to come into a sweet relationship with my blackness, and embrace it fully as being something beautiful.  My mother, needless to say, is outraged and does not understand the woman I have blossomed into being.  She detests the kinks of my natural hair, the fullness of my lips, the knowledge of my history, the beat of my drum, the dance of my feet, the wraps that crown my head, the skirts that conceal my womanhood, and the adoration, respect, and love that I have for my lions.  In gentleness, I try to make her see that while I appreciate her heritage as well, it is the cries of Africa that send my heart racing.  I love my black people no matter what they are percieved to be by others.  Now, I could have chosen to live ( mentally, and the best that I could physically) as if no part of I were not of African descent; however that would be to subject my spirit to slavery.....It was not until I came to know my blackness, that I came to know myself.
Now that a sketch of my background is complete, I will get to my initial intentions.  Please take no offense, for I come to learn.

QUESTIONS:

1.  Why is it that some Rases, and others who are pro monoracial, so disgusted by those who are multiracial?  I mean, I understand there beliefs on having a "pure race",  but looking at me one might just as well assume that I was not of mixed races.  And as has often happen, when one finds that I am not "pure", I am discreditted as a black woman, I am discreditted as a white woman, and I am discreditted as an Indian woman.  So, who must I think of as "my people"?  Does not one consider how much it grieves my heart ( and others like I) to be rejected by those who are of the African diapora?  The very people whom share in your trials, oppression.
2.  What do ones propose should be done with multiracial people?  Where should we go?  (I believe it is said "Europe for Europeans and Africa for Africans") I yearn for Mamma Africa, but because I am of mixed heritage, am I out of line for my yearnings?
3.  Since a great amount of people do have traces of various races within them, what exactly is the ratio that stigmatizes one to be "mixed breed"?
4.  Lastly, if we are all YAH's children (those of us who choose HIM), what exactly is the purpose of frowning upon "the mixing of the races"?  Is YAH-YAH not for me too?

All questions were raised due to my personal adverse experiences as being "mixed".  And were asked not to be rude, but rather to gain knowledge.  I mean not to offend anyone, by any means.

 

[jemba]

I am not against mix raced children! But I am against mix race marriages.
It even says in the bible do not mix your seeds. It was also considered a sin to sleep with another woman or man from a different race, because all human beings do not have the same way of life, meaning you will interrupt your spiritual progression. Human beings are here on earth only to learn and become as god. Blacks and whites cannot mix seeds; blacks can’t even marry or sleep with a person of mixed race. This is the natural laws and the ways of the universe. Find me a dog that sleeps with a cat?
Animals obey the laws of this planet but humans don’t.  

[Maya]

" Find me a dog that sleeps with a cat? "

I don't think this analogy is right .
We are all humans .