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« on: April 24, 2004, 01:40:38 AM »

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm

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Female genital mutilation (FGM) is the term used to refer to the removal of part, or all, of the female genitalia. The most severe form is infibulation, also known as pharaonic circumcision. An estimated 15% of all mutilations in Africa are infibulations. The procedure consists of clitoridectomy (where all, or part of, the clitoris is removed), excision (removal of all, or part of, the labia minora), and cutting of the labia majora to create raw surfaces, which are then stitched or held together in order to form a cover over the vagina when they heal. A small hole is left to allow urine and menstrual blood to escape. In some less conventional forms of infibulation, less tissue is removed and a larger opening is left.

Genital mutilation is painful, it causes illness and it reduces sexual pleasure...I just don't understand why people think this is okay Furious 3Bomb!!


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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2004, 08:54:40 AM »

Much Blessings Bantu_Kelani

A few months ago I too found out about this Barbaric Practice and researched and had made a post on it.You asked why to people it seems okay,because in their eyes it is a cultural practice and it is done on young girls before puberty to "preserve them for marriage" so honestly they have no say to what is being done to their bodies.

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THE PROCESS OF HELL
Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is practiced in many forms:  

Sunna circumcision in which the tip of the clitoris and/or its covering (prepuce) are removed.

Clitoridectomy where the entire clitoris, the prepuce and adjacent labia are removed.

Infibulation (a.k.a. Pharaonic circumcision) which is a clitoridectomy followed by sewing up of the vulva. A small opening is left to allow urine and menstrual blood to pass. 1 A second operation is done later in life to reverse some of the damage. In some cultures, the woman is cut open by her husband on their wedding night with a double edged dagger. She may be sewn up again if her husband leaves on a long trip.
Because of poverty and lack of medical facilities, the procedure is frequently done under less than hygienic conditions, and often without anesthetic by other than medically trained personnel. Anesthesia is rarely used. Razor blades, knives or scissors are usually the instruments used. The In the rural Mossi areas of Burkina Faso, group female circumcisions are scheduled every three years in many villages. Girls aged from 5 to 8 are assembled by their mothers into groups of up to 20. The circumcision "uses a knife-like instrument, the barga, reserved specifically for this purpose; after each operation she simply wipes the knife on a piece of cloth, sometimes rinsing it in water first." In some areas of Africa, FGM is delayed until two months before a woman gives birth. This practice is based on the belief that the baby will die if she/he comes into contact with their mother's clitoris during birth. We are unaware of any medical evidence to support this belief.

Why it is Done? The most ridiculous and unlikely reasons known:


The justification for the operation appears to be largely grounded in a desire to terminate or reduce feelings of sexual arousal in women so that they will be much less likely to engage in pre-marital intercourse or adultery. The clitoris holds a massive number of nerve endings, and generates feelings of sexual arousal when stimulated.  
Uncircumcised women in countries where FGM is normally performed have difficulty finding a marriage partner. Men typically prefer a circumcised wife because they are considered more likely to be faithful. Other claims in support of FGM are:  

The clitoris is dangerous and must be removed for health reasons. Some believe that it is a poisonous organ, which can cause a man to sicken or die if contacted by a man's penis. Others believe that men can become impotent by contacting a clitoris, or that a baby will be hydrocephalic (born with excess cranial fluid) if its head contacts the clitoris during birth. Some believe that the milk of the mother will become poisonous if her clitoris touches the baby during childbirth.

Bad genital odors can only be eliminated by removing the clitoris and labia minora.

FGM prevents vaginal cancer.

An unmodified clitoris can lead to masturbation or lesbianism.

FGM prevents nervousness from developing in girls and women.

FGM prevents the face from turning yellow.

FGM makes a woman's face more beautiful.

If FGM is not done, older men may not be able to match their wives' sex drive and may have to resort to illegal stimulating drugs.

An intact clitoris generates sexual arousal in women which can cause neuroses if repressed.

These claims appear to have little support outside of countries where FGM is common.

The fear of AIDS has been used by both sides of this issue. Shiek Badri stated in 1997-JUN: "Those who are not circumcised get AIDS easily" But opponents to the practice sometimes claim that AIDS is spread by the unhygienic practices during the procedure itself.  
The procedure has been banned in several African nations, including Burkina Faso, Djibouti, the Central African Republic, Ghana, Guinea, Senegal, and Togo yet it goes on and still is very much present today as it was in the past.

Very few brave girls get away from being mutilated they have to run for their lives for instance
Philister Akenda, 16 from Kenya
"My parents said I was a big girl so I must be circumcised and get married.  
"They wanted me to be married to a 65-year-old man who was already a grandfather.  
I had finished my primary education and got a place at Masai Secondary School.  
I wanted to be educated first and I thought I was still young."

It is sad and hard to swallow the hardships and tribulations many women all over the world have to go through, when will this be stopped completely, when a young girl dies from the operation but that too may have happened but yet no one cares about it and all the ills and pain gets from this act such as hemorrhage, shock, painful scars, keloid formation, labial adherences, clitoral cysts, chronic urinary infection, and chronic pelvic infections. Later in life, it can cause kidney stones, sterility, sexual dysfunction, depression, and various gynecological and obstetric problems.  

All these things happen due to an act which is cultural and not as told by others as being religious, an act which claims to protect it's young women from committing adultery for all those who support, I don't know how they that support such a thing can live with themselves, one who does such a thing lives and dwells within a very sicken and ignorant mind.


Also to mention there is a Dr.Omar Abdulcadir who wants this barbaric process too be done legally in the hospital where he works calling it a "Symbolic Mutilation".

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Doctor suggests 'symbolic' mutilation  
 
 
Dr Abdulcadir's operation involves withdrawing blood from the clitoris  
A Somali-born doctor now practising in Italy is seeking to be allowed to perform a "symbolic" operation as an alternative to female genital mutilation (FGM) for African immigrants in the country.  
Florence-based Dr Omar Abdulcadir has proposed that the hospital where he works should allow him to perform the operation, to prevent women taking their children back to Africa to have it done illegally.  

Genital mutilation, a traditional practice amongst many African communities, has been linked with a number serious injuries and malformations - including a risk of death in childbirth.  

"We see the complications with genital mutilation, we see little babies go back to their countries and have mutilation," Dr Abdulcadir told the BBC World Service's Outlook programme.  

"This is the only way that we can help."  

'No pain'  

Dr Abdulcadir's proposed operation is to withdraw blood from the clitoris using local anaesthetic.  

"We break in with the needle, and we have one or two drops of blood," he explained.  

"We don't have an injury, no pain, and we save the condition of these people."  

He added that this type of operation was very different to traditional female genital mutilation, which, in the most extreme cases, can involve the complete removal of the clitoris and labia and the sewing up of the vagina, leaving only a small opening for urine and menstrual blood - a process known as infibulation.  

Dr Abdulcadir said that his operation was "not mutilation" but a "symbolic alternative."  

Female circumcision is a highly controversial issue, which raises many conflicting and heartfelt views.  

Many women's groups, particularly in the West, are horrified at a practice that can leave girls with serious injuries and malformations, including dysmenorrhoea - when women are unable to have periods - sterility and infertility, and other complications during pregnancy.  

But others view it as a religious requirement in order to keep girls chaste.  

And women in some traditional societies say that girls who haven't been subjected to the practice may be shunned and unable to marry.  

 We are working against FGM and of course, as African women, we are against this operation on girls' bodies  

Marian Ismail
Association of Somali Mothers and Children  
Dr Abdulcadir said that there was a real problem with women taking their children to be mutilated - and that it was happening in Italy.  

"Some of them want to do the genital mutilation. They either want to go back home, or they try to get someone to perform this tradition in Europe," he stated.  

"I see many people that now have children who are 10 or 11 years old. They came to Europe five or six years ago. They are mutilated. I think somebody has done this."  

Opposition  

However, other women's groups have attacked Dr Abdulcadir's plans, arguing that female genital mutilation should not be allowed in any form.  

"We are very angry about this," Marian Ismail, president of the Milan-based Association of Somali Mothers and Children, told Outlook.  

"We are working against FGM and of course, as African women, we are against this operation on girls' bodies."  

She added that, while it was important to preserve the differences between African and Western culture, this did not apply to FGM.  

And she argued that her group had been explaining to Somali women that FGM was not a part of Islamic tradition.  

Changing attitudes  

This had met with some success, she said - in 1990, 99% of female babies had FGM performed on them, but that figure was now 60%.  

She said that the Somali community it Italy had "really changed their mentality.  

"There are not more than 100 girls at risk in Italy," she added.  

Dr Abdulcadir said that he himself would be happy to see the practice disappear.  

"My proposal is one of 1,000 proposals," he said.  

"If they have some other proposal, I will accept. I want only to save these children, only save these little babies."  


With his help now this practice will be able to continue with less input from the innnocent girls who it will be done on for stupid and ignorant reasons.But as this doctor boast of it causing "no pain" with or with out pain i still see it barbaric as how a mother,father or any tribe could allow this to happen to their women and daughters.
It cause me to wonder have they no heart [smiley=heart.gif]

This practice is one of the few that happen to many women around the world because along with gential mutilation which is done to preserve a young girl for marriage and to make sure she is a virgin.
There is Foot Binding which is done in China to make the girls have small feet and give them the myth that is makes them more beautiful and also so that they can be married because a girl with normal feet which hasn't being binded is deemed ugly and cannot be married.Foot binding began between the ages of four and seven.  A strip of bandage ten feet long and two inches wide was wrapped tightly around the foot.The four small toes were broken and bent under the sole.The arch of the foot was bowed to make the foot shorter.
Foot was made 3" long to fit this shoe

The End result

The wearing of golden coils around one neck The Padaung tribe of Burma considered a long neck beautiful. About
age 5, girls were introduced to the first neck ring. As they grew, ringswere added. Their shoulders were pushed down, making the neck look longer. Also, this showed off the family's valuable metal rings,
indicating wealth.A woman wore up to twenty pounds of rings on her neck and even more on her calves!


And even going further back into History The Wearing of Corsets A girl started to wear corsets around age 14.  After years of pulling corsets tighter and tighter,  they dislocated internal organs-- constricting the lungs and heart, putting pressure on the liver, pushing up the stomach , squeezing the small intestines and bowels, and compressing the bladder.All for the look of a smaller perfect waist which in that time was of 18-19 inches all around.A women who wore a corset could not sit down straight, fainted easily, had heart ailments and digestion problems, and died in childbirth and of organ failure.


In all this going back into history and coming to present one sees many of this torment and ill acts were done to women to achieve one main thing at that was Perfection and Purity, If you wasn't mutilatied you were not worthy or pure, if you didn't have small perfect feet you were ugly and couldnot be happy, if you didn't have a long neck you was expelled from your tribe and class as an outkast and if you didn't have a small perfect waist you was seemly either too poor,ugly and fat.

All the Horrid things done to women and women did to themselves and children to achieves Perfection and Beauty.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2004, 01:17:03 PM »

OHM.but eventhough i bring a word-sound of peace,DID U SEE THAT GIRLS FOOT!just like how people look good on the outside,but are nasty in the inside,whats the sense of that,she has to take off her shoes sometime!how come theirs NEVER those ancient practices for men,i dont overstand.alot of this is STILL going on today,just in NEW FORMS.Namaste

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 03:51:22 AM »

Very interesting articles Poetic Princess, thanks for posting them. My flesh creep anytime I think about female genital mutilation. FGM is not part of Islam but this practice is done in predominately Muslim countries for custom or a cultural observance and the women who do not go through with it are shunned from their tribe, they can never marry and never have children that's insane. See also compulsory FGM of babies, now and in the past, stoning of unwed women and violent killings in the name of Allah in Nigeria etc. Muslim based countries want to make women the property of their husbands and I'm outraged of the apathy of Western governments since the women affected are Black or Brown and since they live in predominately non-Christian nations. Even the Western Feminist Organizations are not saying a whole lot. Nobody cares.

I read the history of cutting women's heads off because they happen to have a baby out of wedlock, or because they happen to say that Mohammed liked it in the [censored] once and these barbaric practices are no more or no less that a form of slavery. When I think of slavery, I am hard pushed to see which is worst, being a slave on a cotton plantation or being a woman in a country that practices abuse of women's reproductive rights, mindset, and true sense of self. Also, there is silence and complacency on the part of women while a bunch of men from their communities decide that they should go through the nightmare to preserve their patriarchal authority and control of women sexuality and fertility. Even women themselves would rather take part in the practices than face a life outside of their homes and families Huh.  

Political aggression and violence against women ignored is growing fascism in this world. The war against women continues and alas has included a complacency of the women's long ago. Because of this female political power has not expanded and is insufficient to protect women's rights. So, one significant change in leadership must be done: an intellectual battle for justice and empowerment of females worldwide because patriarchal authority movements worldwide today dissolve it. And we conscious Black women who support the male liberation Movements are being betrayed over and again. So, I'm neither surprised nor confused by the few responses in this thread. This is definitely not the topic that interests the so-called philanthropists because the world does not care what is happening to women or people in the poor parts of the world.  


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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 10:33:13 PM »

It seems if women aren't mutilated some what they are deemed not beautiful and i just find that part sickening. I dont know who told them are gave them the so called brillant idea that mutilating in any form,style or fashion is A OK. How can a man abuse, or mutiliate the woman he claims to love, how could he even call his self a man, it just sickens me to the stomach when men get all into their high n mighty "macho" talk.
How could anyone torture a womb which brings forth life, a heart of gold and of tenderness and care.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2004, 07:30:36 PM »

Thanks so much for this post, it's an issue which girls are confronting on a daily basis, and peoples' awareness is key to ending this practice.  Female Genital Mutilation(FGM) is something I'd never given much thought until I married an Ethiopian woman.  By the grace of her mother, who certainly endured FGM, my wife was spared the horror of this practice.  When I was first getting to know the woman that is now my wife I asked if she had been "cut," or not, her answer was "No, but if you want me cut I can have it done."  You can't imagine how horror stricken I was by this comment.  To serve your man is culturally what a good ethiopian girl is supposed to do and she still harbors feelings of being an outsider simply because she wasn't cut.  My wife does not have a single female friend or family member, that she knows of, that has not been cut.  The reasons for FGM are basically rooted in male domination, and Ethiopia is a very male dominated society, even with a history of some very extraordinary female rulers.  Women in Ethiopia basically stand on two extremes of the spectrum, meaning those who are cut and those who aren't.  Those who are cut are expected to be quiet and subserviant, get married take care of the babies and the husband.  Those who aren't cut are automatically associated with prostitution, and Ethiopia has a very noticable prostitution culture.  My wife has struggled with this all her life, in that she stands in the middle of the spectrum, certainly not a prostitute, but retaining all the natural feelings that any woman who hasn't suffered from FGM would have.  I think a lot of the reasons for her having been able to find comfort in a man from the west were that she learned quickly that I, due to my culture, am very open to her being who ever she is or wants to be; whereas conformity is the rule in the average Ethiopian woman's life.  FGM in Ethiopia is a part of Muslim cutlure and Orthodox Christian culture, that makes up about 90% of the population.  I met an american obstetrician in Ethiopia who told me shocking statistics concerning deaths of pregnant women in labor, who had been subjected to FGM.  Almost all women who have been cut will have to get a cesarian section to ensure her and her baby's lives.  Many FGM's are done to a group of young women one after the other.  In a day and age where many Ethiopian children are born with the A.I.D.s virus it is easily spread when the same intrument is used on different girls one after the other.  If feel like I could go on forever about the horrors of FGM, but it's starting to make me upset, so let me conclude.  Ethiopia is the kingdom of JAH, and it is JAH who gave humans the ability to make this kingdom a truly righteous place.  I see the battle of good and evil in so many aspects of life.  It is only through proper education that people the world over will realize that FGM is evil and must be stopped.  Thanks again for bringing attention to this subject, and I strongly urge anyone who reads this thread to simply tell someone else about it, as awareness is key to ending this practice.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 08:50:29 PM »

FGM Row: Girls Still Out of Class

Standard Correspondent May 18, 2004
Nairobi

Fifty-seven girls who escaped from their homes to avoid undergoing the female genital mutilation risk dropping out of school after their parents refused to pay their school fees.

The girls are part of the 17, who in 2002 moved to court and obtained orders restraining their parents from subjecting them to the rite.

The girls who were in the headlines last year after they trekked for over 60 km to seek refuge at the offices of the Centre for Human Rights and Democracy based in Eldoret town after they had been lined-up for FGM rite.

Office of the Vice-President minister Jebii Chebii had intervened and had them returned under police guard to their homes.

Despite this the parents were determined to have the girls circumcised forcing them to flee their homes.

They sought refuge at the African Inland Church, Mission College in Eldoret town from where they were admitted to the schools.

According to CHRD director, Mr Ken Wafula, Sh300,000 is required to offset their fees arrears.

Wafula yesterday made a passionate appeal to well-wishers to come forward and help the girls.

He called on minister George Saitoti to honour the commitment that the Ministry of Education would sponsor the girls to any level of their education pursuits.

It is alleged that the Government paid fees for four of the girls who had joined St Monica's Secondary School.

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2004, 09:02:39 PM »

I was familiar with the practice of FGM but after reading Alice Walker's, Possessing The Secret of Joy, I became aware of not only the physical damage it does but the psychological and emotional scar that it leaves. I commend NB and wish him and his wife well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2006, 03:44:12 PM »

If you are interested, there is an excellent website for an African woman led charity that deals with research and raising awareness of FGM. My friend used to work there and the work they do is important and needs supporting.

http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 06:03:21 AM »

this was a really intresting topic, excuse me replying 120 late but i feel that this is just another way of keeping woman supressed and not allowing them freedom of choice but inclining them to nothing but mere servants to men
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 12:09:23 PM »

Hi there
As B K has explained FGM  is painful. What we want to do as Human Rights activist we want to campain against this procedure. Women all over the world including men who are against FGM to organise seminar, workshops etc just to raise awareness of the issues, even it takes time to get heard but a solution may came out.

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 09:38:57 PM »

Greetings

I don't come from a society where this is practiced but like others here was unexplicably jolted when it was first explained to me by a friend a few years ago, she recommended I read the book Infidel, by Ayan Hirsi Ali. I did recently and it is quite a thing to analyse, her perspective is of someone living in a series of countries because her father was a political man and in exile and because she grew up when Somalia was being 'unified'. She was originally from Somalia and described how while her mother was away when she was 5 her grandmother, who was more 'faithful' to the traditions of her society preformed FGM on her and her older brother and especially her younger sister. Things ranging from the fact that a person can scrape off a adolescence's crude already flattened clitoris, to the very idea of a teenager or a mature woman boasting that she is 'flat like the palm of one's hand' to the thought of a 'loving' husband aggressively forcing his penis onto that 'palm' until penetration is beyond depressing, geedying.

She is perhaps most famous for her rejection and denoucement of Isalm, a good base for more literature in terms of personal experiences and the highlighting of expressions on the theme.

How luckily unluckily I am to find the mentioned excerpt online, the first search I performed

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KORAN school was a shed down the road. The other pupils were from the neighbourhood. At first I liked it. I learned to mix ink from charcoal, water, and a little milk, and to write the Arabic alphabet on long wooden boards. I began learning the Koran, line by line, by heart. It was uplifting to be engaged in such an adult task.
But the kids at madrassah (Islamic religious school) were tough. They fought. One girl, who was about eight years old, they called kintirleey, "she with the clitoris".

I had no idea what a clitoris was, but the kids didn't even want to be seen with this girl. They spat on her and pinched her; they rubbed sand in her eyes, and once they caught her and tried to bury her in the sand behind the school.

The madrassah teacher didn't help. Once in a while he called her dammin, dunce, and kintirleey, too. My teenage cousin Sanyar used to pick me up after madrassah. One day she arrived just as a girl hit me in the face. Sanyar took me home and told the story. "Ayaan didn't even defend herself," she said in horror. "Coward!" my family jeered.

The next day Sanyar waited for me outside the madrassah with another teenager, the older sister of the girl who had hit me the day before. They caught hold of the two of us and tugged us over to an open space, then ordered us to fight. "Scratch her eyes out. Bite her," Sanyar hissed at me. "Come on, coward, think of your honour."

The other girl got the same encouragement. We flew at each other, fists tight, hitting, wrestling, pulling each other's hair, biting. "Ayaan, never cry!" Sanyar called out. The other children cheered us on. When they let us stop, our dresses were torn and my lip was bleeding, but Sanyar was delighted. "I don't want you to ever let another child hit you or make you cry," she said. "Fight. If you don't fight for your honour, you're a slave."

Then, as we walked away, the other girl shouted after me, "Kintirleey!" Sanyar winced. I looked at her, horror dawning on me. I was like that other girl? I, too, had that filthy thing, a kintir? In Somalia, like many countries across Africa and the Middle East, little girls are made "pure" by having their genitals cut out. There is no other way to describe this procedure, which typically occurs around the age of five.

After the child's clitoris and labia are carved out, scraped off, or, in more compassionate areas, merely cut or pricked, the whole area is often sewn up, so that a thick band of tissue forms a chastity belt made of the girl's own scarred flesh. A small hole is situated to permit a thin flow of pee. Only great force can tear the scar tissue wider, for sex.

Female genital mutilation predates Islam. Not all Muslims do this, and a few of the peoples who do are not Islamic. But in Somalia, where virtually every girl is excised, the practice is always justified in the name of Islam. Uncircumcised girls will be possessed by devils, fall into vice and perdition, and become whores. Imams never discourage the practice: it keeps girls pure.

Many girls die during or after their excision, from infection. Other complications cause enormous, more or less lifelong pain. My father Abeh was a modern man and considered the practice barbaric. He had always insisted that his daughters be left uncut. In this he was quite extraordinarily forward-thinking. Though I don't think it was for the same reason, Mahad, who was six, had also not yet been circumcised.

Not long after that first fight of mine at the madrassah, Grandma decided that the time was right for us to undergo the necessary and proper dignity of purification. My father was in jail and my mother was away for long periods, but Grandma would ensure that the old traditions would be respected in the old ways.

After she made the arrangements, Grandma was cheerful and friendly all week long. A special table was prepared in her bedroom, and various aunts, known and unknown, gathered in the house. When the day itself came I was not frightened, just curious. I had no idea what was going to happen, except that there was a festive atmosphere in the house and we - all three of us - were going to be cleansed. I wouldn't be called kintirleey any more.

Mahad went first. I was driven out of the room, but after a while I stole back to the door and watched. Mahad was on the floor, with his head and arms on Grandma's lap. Two women were holding down his spread-eagled legs, and a strange man was bending down between them. The room was warm and I could smell a mixture of sweat and frankincense.

Grandma was whispering in Mahad's ears, "Don't cry, don't stain your mother's honour. These women will talk about what they have seen. Grit your teeth." Mahad wasn't making a sound, but tears rolled down his face as he bit into Grandma's shawl. His face was clenched and twisted in pain.

I couldn't see what the stranger was doing, but I could see blood. This frightened me. I was next. Grandma swung her hand from side to side and said, "Once this long kintir is removed you and your sister will be pure."

From Grandma's words and gestures I gathered that this hideous kintir, my clitoris, would one day grow so long that it would swing sideways between my legs. She caught hold of me and gripped my upper body in the same position as she had put Mahad. Two other women held my legs apart. The man, who was probably an itinerant traditional circumciser from the blacksmith clan, picked up a pair of scissors. With the other hand, he caught hold of the place between my legs and started tweaking it, like Grandma milking a goat. "There it is, there is the kintir," one of the women said.

Then the scissors went down between my legs and the man cut off my inner labia and clitoris. I heard it, like a butcher snipping the fat off a piece of meat. A piercing pain shot up between my legs, indescribable, and I howled. Then came the sewing: the long, blunt needle clumsily pushed into my bleeding outer labia, my loud and anguished protests, Grandma's words of comfort and encouragement. "It's just this once in your life, Ayaan. Be brave, he's almost finished." When the sewing was finished, the man cut the thread off with his teeth. That is all I can recall of it. But I do remember Haweya's bloodcurdling howls. Though she was the youngest - she was four, I five, Mahad six - Haweya must have struggled much more than Mahad and I did, or perhaps the women were exhausted after fighting us, and slipped, because the man made some bad cuts on Haweya's thighs. She carried the scars of them her whole life.

I must have fallen asleep, for it wasn't until much later that day that I realised that my legs had been tied together, to prevent me from moving to facilitate the formation of a scar. It was dark and my bladder was bursting, but it hurt too much to pee. The sharp pain was still there, and my legs were covered in blood. I was sweating and shivering. It wasn't until the next day that my Grandma could persuade me to pee even a little.

By then everything hurt. When I just lay still the pain throbbed miserably, but when I urinated the flash of pain was as sharp as when I had been cut.

It took about two weeks for us to recover. Grandma tended to us constantly, suddenly gentle and affectionate. She responded to each anguished howl or whimper, even in the night. After every tortured urination she washed our wounds carefully with warm water and dabbed them with purple liquid. Then she tied our legs again and reminded us to stay completely still or we would tear, and then the man would have to be called again to sew us back up.

After a week the man came and inspected us. He thought that Mahad and I were doing well, but said Haweya needed to be resewn. She had torn her wound while urinating and struggling with Grandma. We heard it happening; it was agony for her. The entire procedure was torture for all of us, but undoubtedly the one who suffered the most was Haweya.

Mahad was already up and about, quite healed, when the man returned to remove the thread he had used to sew me shut. This was again very painful. He used a pair of tweezers to dig out the threads, tugging on them sharply. Again, Grandma and two other women held me down. But after that, even though I had a thick, bumpy scar between my legs that hurt if I moved, at least my legs didn't have to be tied together any more, and I no longer had to lie down without moving all day.

It took Haweya another week to reach the stage of thread removal, and four women had to hold her down. I was in the room when this happened. I will never forget the panic in her face and voice as she screamed with everything in her and struggled to keep her legs closed. Haweya was never the same afterward. She became ill with a fever for several weeks and lost a lot of weight. She had horrible nightmares, and during the day began stomping off to be alone. My once cheerful, playful little sister changed. Sometimes she just stared vacantly at nothing for hours. We all started wetting our beds after the circumcision. In Mahad's case, it lasted a long time.

When Ma came back from her trip this time, she was furious. "Who asked you to circumcise them?" she yelled, more angry with her mother than I had ever seen her. "You know their father doesn't want it done! Allah knows, I have never in my life been so betrayed as by you. What possessed you?"

Grandma turned on my mother in fury. She yelled that she had done Ma a huge favour. Everyone was cut.

ONE Friday afternoon at the end of January 1992, my father Abeh came straight from the mosque to our flat. He never did that - never paid us a visit these days - and when he arrived he was completely excited. "Ayaan, my daughter, I have good news for you - the best news - my prayers are answered!" he crowed. "Today in the mosque a blessed man came to me with a proposal of marriage, and I offered him your hand!"

I remember letting him talk while I felt my heels sinking into the ground. I cleared my throat and said no, but he didn't hear me. I said, "I'm not going to marry a stranger!" and my father, bubbling with enthusiasm, answered, "But he's not a stranger! He's not a stranger at all! He's your cousin! He's an Osman Mahamud!" He began chanting back all of this man's names.

I said, "Not a stranger in that sense, Abeh," and he answered, "In what sense, then?" "But I haven't even met him!" I wailed. My father told me, "That's fine - you will meet him tomorrow."

My father had given me away to a man called Osman Moussa, a fine young Somali man who had grown up in Canada. He had come to Nairobi to find and rescue family members who had been stranded by the civil war, and also to find a bride. He thought the Somali girls in Canada were too Westernised, by which he meant that they dressed indecently, disobeyed their husbands, and mixed freely with men; they were not baarri, which made them unworthy of marriage. And the civil war meant that daughters of the best families in Somalia were available for practically nothing.

My father had met this young man in the mosque barely two hours before. He was tall, he told me, with strong bones and white teeth, well fed on milk and meat in North America. Osman Moussa must have approached him. I can imagine the scene, the respectful recitation of lineage, finally the request: "You are the father of daughters, and I seek a bride." My father must have felt so very happy.

There was no bride price. Because of the civil war, it would have been indecent to ask for one. But this was a strategic marriage; Osman Moussa could boast that he was married to a Magan, and we would now have relatives in Canada. There were all kinds of reasons for my father to be happy about this match.

I summoned the strength to say to my father "Abeh, what if I am already with some other person?" but he wasn't even listening. He said, "Allah has sent us the answer." He was overcome with his own cleverness. The next day, my father came to the house with Osman Moussa.
The living room was clean, and everyone was excited except me. I just wore normal clothes, a loose dress and headscarf. I wasn't going to dress up for this.

This man came in. He wanted to shake my hand. He was very tall, and wore enormously long blue jeans; he looked like a basketball player, with a shaved head and a baseball cap. I was polite. I said, "Hello, come in. I am Ayaan," without looking him in the eye, and fetched my mother.

My father and mother both remained in the room with us - Ma and I sat on the bed - and this man talked about Canada, where he had lived since he was a small boy, and about the refugees and the war. We didn't make eye contact. Osman Moussa was talking with my mother, trying to pass muster. When I could look up, I scrutinised him - the way he talked, his face - thinking, "Will I like this man?" I was supposed to make a home and a life with him; cook, bear his kids, respond to his whims. And what did I know of him? His Somali was poor, half-learned. He seemed earnest.

He neither repelled nor attracted me. I felt indifferent, completely without feeling. I didn't detect that he had any special interest in me, either. The marriage was set for Saturday, six days away.

Our second meeting was more intimate. Osman Moussa and his sister came, and I asked Haweya and Mahad to be with me, to help me evaluate this man. Ma left us five young people alone. I asked about prayer; I wanted to find out how religious this Osman Moussa was. I felt I had to make some sort of decision fast, even though there seemed to be no way I could stop the arrangement from proceeding.

I asked, "What do you expect of a wife?" Osman's sister was mortified, and said, "Maybe we shouldn't be here if you're going to discuss such things!" But Osman Moussa belly-laughed and said, "You're going to give me six sons. We will be a home for all the Osman Mahamud."

We grilled him subtly in the Somali epics we had learned from our mother, some of them composed by the Abdihalin brothers' greatgrandfather, to our eternal wonder. He knew none of them. Worse still, instead of admitting his ignorance he pretended he knew what we were talking about, which made him seem small. We asked him Grandma's old riddles; he failed them.

We switched to English - we assumed this man's English must be better than his limping Somali - and Haweya asked him what kind of books he read. He said, "Hmya. I read, you know, stuff." I realised his English was half-learned, too, and he clearly read nothing at all.

I summoned enough courage to ask him to take off his baseball cap, which he did. I thought perhaps I might fall in love with his head of hair or something. But though Osman was only 27 years old, his head was already as bald as the bottom of baby Abbas. Baldness is associated with wisdom among Somalis, but this man had nothing to show for losing so much hair at such an early age.

He thought the Osman Mahamud were the chosen people; he was dull, trite, and a bigot, a dyed-in-the-wool Brotherhood type. I remember thinking, "No, surely Abeh could not do this to me?"

When Osman Moussa finally left I tried to pull together the courage to take matters into my own hands. I put on my coat and went to Buruburu, where my father was living. When he opened the door I said, "Osman Moussa came to our house today and Haweya and Mahad and I tested him. We think he's a pea-brain. He's not eloquent, he's not brave enough to admit his shortcomings, and he's a bigot."

Just like that. That way my father couldn't ignore what I was saying, as he mostly did. He had me come and sit down and said, "Now tell me."

"I don't think this man and I are compatible," I said.

He said, smiling broadly, "On the basis of one afternoon?" I told my father, "You thought on the basis of one minute that we would be compatible, so I may think on the basis of one afternoon that we are not."

But Abeh said, "No, I know more than that. He is the son of the son of the son of" - he quoted the lineage. "He has a good job in Canada, he doesn't chew qat, he is clean and a conscientious worker, he is strong. I am giving you to him to ensure your safety."

He went on, "The ceremony will be Saturday, at Farah Goure's house. The sheep have been bought, the qali has been hired. Your saying you don't want this - it's not a question. We are living in bad times. Surely you won't reject my choice of a husband for you just because he doesn't read novels." He reduced it to the smallest thing. Imagine how trivial my opposition would sound to Abeh if I added: but he has no hair!

Still, I sat up straight and told him, "I am not going to do it." My father said, "I can't accept a no from you for something you haven't even tried."

I asked, "You mean I can't say no before I get married?"

He answered, "Of course not. Everything is all arranged." Nobody tied me up. I was not shackled. I was not forced at gunpoint. But I had no realistic way out.

Edited extract from Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, to be published next week by Free Press (an imprint of Simon & Schuster), $34.95.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21160254-28737,00.html

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 09:47:26 PM »

hmm, from ....One Friday afternoon..., is another separate excerpt in the book.

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 05:25:04 AM »

I would like to share these two perspectives on the way forward in dealing with practices such as female genital mutilation.

http://blackademics.org/october-2008-interview-dr-ifi-amadiume/
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The next question also goes back to your book. Really, your book introduced me to a more intimate look at genital mutilation, so called female circumcision, and other issues of what you call sexual terrorism. I was wondering, as activists and feminists, what can young people do? Because you talked about young people being important. What’s the best coarse of action we can take in challenging these and other institutions of patriarchy. Really challenging that institution that you talked about earlier.

IA:
I think.. policy. Going through policy enforcement. Sometimes those policies are already in place. We’re pointing to those positive policies to deal with those questions. Making new laws, enforcing existing laws, and then knowing - educating themselves about it from the perspective of contextualizing these problems in their cultural and traditional settings. It’s primary, you know? Important. Rather than “modernizing” and “civilizing” you know? You still, to some extent, have to understand contextually - those problems. Whether solving them also will require working at the grassroots - if the problem is at the grassroots. Sometimes it is assumed that the problem is at the grassroots, that is not necessarily so. Because cultures advance, cultures transform. Most of the time, actually, they are compounded by supposed modernity. They become new forms of those problems. Say we’re dealing with Ghana, for example. Questions of polygamy is a modern problem. It’s not a traditional problem in the way it is practiced traditionally. Now take Ghana - most of it’s society is matrilineal. Modernity: new laws, state intervention imposes new marriage systems on Ghanaian families, over and above matrilineal rights. This gives rights to a husband, who traditionally is actually not part of the family. Because the foundation of matrilineality is based on sisters and their sisters relationship to their brothers. Brother becomes brother and father in matrilineality. You can see how the new laws assume that a husband who is the same in his own family becomes double.. and is given rights where he doesn’t really have it. You see? It’s a new problem. But unfortunately when they look at it they go to tradition and see the problem in a traditional setting. This is a post-colonial problem. It’s a post-colonial imposition. Where law should liberate, law is dis-empowering in terms of property, in terms of status, in terms of naming. Just giving you one example of something new.

Excerpted from Foundations of African Thought by Chukwunyere Kamalupg. 157
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...Within every man there is a woman and within every woman, a man....The Dogon of Mali and indeed most African societies believe that a chils's sex is undecided until puberty. Thus the symbolic meaning of circumcision is to take away something female from the male(that is, the male 'vagina', the foreskin) and something male from the female(that is, the female 'penis', the clitoris). We do not have to agree with female circumcision to understand the logical consistency of the act. We draw a distinction here between the symbolic meaning and the symbolic act. The way in which we enact this symbolism need not be indispensible simply because it is tradition. We need to be self-critical and discerning enough to do away with traditions or aspects of traditions that are harmful. This does not, however mean that the symbolism is not valid and that it cannot be enacted in some other less harmful way.

I think Mr. Kamalu here grasps a principle which can be employed elsewhere. For as a particular practice may become outmoded or undesirable, a people need not lose the essence which was carried in its symbolism. This is something that Africans have done coming into the Caribbean through syncretism. I think this could be an important part of adapting to new times. I think(and this goes beyond only female genital mutilation) that there is a danger in defining and interpreting acts within a culture purely from the outside view. An outsider could in common with a member of the culture only see the outward aspect of a ritual however where the divergence begins is where the member would understand the significance of it (which can be signified otherwise).

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 05:12:15 PM »

Iniko Ujaama

good words, i humble. I speak/spoke purely from passion and that can be very sensational reading it, indeed, I wrote impulsively to shot at something specific, one aspect maybe because that is where I am... when that is a very crude, basic way of looking at things in general. I really appreciate the base, root direction of the second quote. Indeed, I am as I stated I am an outsider looking in, but it does not separate me from some responsiblity for my thoughts on this or other things in general.

as for policy, we often see or find that when people dictate policy it can go no where, serves not much, so I see where he says the grassroots bit, telling me what to do and even enforcing it, does not resolve it in me. Do not resolve it in the generations of antagonists that live this story and other stories daily. Hence the reason people often go elsewhere, find alternatives, like those persons that live in Europe that go back to their home countries to have the process done. If they want something, they will get it, they will find it.

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