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seshatasefekht7
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« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2004, 08:33:48 PM »

Peace and hotep,

Nemesis: goddess of retributive justice or vengeance. One that inflicts retribution or vengeance. An unbeatable rival. Retributive justice in its execution or outcome. A source of injury or destruction. (war god/seth) Lips Sealed 2

Nemesis, you’re not Bantu_kelani are you. Just kidding……you say  

“I fail to see how white dominance/control of the 9 major areas of human activity validates the "Cress theory" or invalidates 'white' socialist writers like Bradley or Marx. Accepting for argument's sake that whites control all of these, neither of the explanations presented of why whites control all of these sheds any more light on the subject. “

I am only introducing Neely Fuller Jr . Are you now reading THE UNITED INDEPENDENT COMPENSATORY CODE/SYSTEM/CONCEPT?  Welsing recommends it.


Nemesis then you say

“If one is really intent on getting to the bottom of this, certainly one could do some research and uncover more theories than this.”

Please take us to the bottom line, nemesis. Have you done the research and will you enlighten poor ones…..?



So nemesis, you have a problem with the Cress Theory,

“The problem with the cress theory is that it is based in a hypothesis that if not being crude, poorly thought out and ignorant to certain matters of biology, history and anthropology (and that's being nice) at the very least is centered in areas where Cress the psychiatrist is out of her element scientifically speaking (and that's being nicer) As for Michael Bradley (boy we must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel now) He makes welsing seem Objective, well researched and thorough by comparison.”

Firstly, exactly what about the cress theory is crude, poorly thought out or ignorant.
Please refrain from slander. Just be specific. Lips Sealed 2

Scraping the bottom of the barrel?

Nemesis23 did you come here for  war? Why did you come? Glad you came……
Bantu_kelani
Oshun_auset , again I ask, didn’t capitalist  finance Marx.


THE CRESS THEORY OF COLOR – CONFRONTATION AND RACISM (WHITE SUPREMACY)  flies in the face of the reparations movement. As I said before, the whole world is suffering from trauma. The whole world must receive reparations. No ones can deny this. We must end the arrogance, stubbornness, and ignorance. The prodical  son is welcomed home. Lips Sealed 2

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« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2004, 11:17:23 AM »

"Oshun_auset , again I ask, didn't capitalist  finance Marx."

Did I not state that I was never referring to Marx, of whom I believe did not apply true socialism...nor did he invent it?
Your question does not apply to me, I have never held up Marx as an example of how true socialism should be applied....The logical extension of African communalism is my socialist goal. I am trying to develop the African personality here. Capitalism is stragleing it...Is it not?
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« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2004, 08:19:32 PM »

peace and hotep,

oshun_auset,  you say

"The logical extension of African communalism is my socialist goal. I am trying to develop the African personality here. Capitalism is stragleing it...Is it not?"

please show where african communalism is or has been practiced. i do not see it because the logical extension of african communalisms brought us to amorica.  africa was and is complicitous in its own destruction. the only african personality that i am witness to is one of arrogance, stubborness and ignorance.  Lips Sealed 2

matter of fact, i do not know one contemporary african traveler to the amoricas who's mission is not economic opportunity. all of my immigrant co-workers are here withe no concern for the cultural/political well being of africans in amorica. it's like they signed some sort of document to not engage in political protest. yes, it seems like their hands are tied by patriot acts or something. here immigrants are used as union busters.....and that's cool. Lips Sealed 2

oh yes, and long before capitalism was strangleling african communalism, africans were strangleling themselves.  

africans today will never admit that depigmented africans have been ostracized historically. they would rather believe that their children chose a cooler climate for longevity's sake.
eurasia was peopled by leucoderms.

if i love my mother, why would i choose to be far far from her? when those depigmented african tried to re-enter the continent they got beat down.......

oshun_auset, unless repatriations are for the human family, rastafari doesn't need them.  it makes enemies of sufferers. Lips Sealed 2

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« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2004, 10:16:08 AM »

"please show where african communalism is or has been practiced. i do not see it because the logical extension of african communalisms brought us to amorica.  africa was and is complicitous in its own destruction. the only african personality that i am witness to is one of arrogance, stubborness and ignorance."

This statement shows you have fallen pray to the Euro-centric version of his-story, and that you are no friend of African people, I will no longer communicate with you on that basis. If this site alone hasn't enlightened your mentality about the histoury of your own people(I'm going off of the notion you are African) than there is no hope for you.
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« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2004, 02:59:50 PM »

peace and hotep,

the topic should have been

WHY DID AFRICANS DO THIS TO EUROPEAN/WHITE PEOPLE?
or is it possible that superstitious africans in prehistoric times exiled thousands of  their own depigmented/albino children because of taboos.

toni morrison's "Beloved" illustrates this subject of abandonment perfectly. the attempted murder of a child in order to prevent the sufferring of that child. only for the parents to be forever haunted by the memory of a dirty past deed.

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Peace and hotep,

I believe that this whole topic is an effort to undermine a credible African female psychiatrist, frances cress welsing. Her theories should only be compared to the theorists of her field, psychiatry. Specifically psychiatrist.  Lips Sealed 2







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"WHY did European/White people do this to the world?"

I would like everyone's ideas on this because although I am a Pan-Africanist, and socialism says that racism was created as an excuse to exploit other peoples...I have a hard time reconciling that with the OBVIOUS racism that took place in the Nicean conference which was far prior to the colonial period and the Aryan invasion of the origional Dravidian/Dalit population of the Indus valley(and the subsequent caste system established)........



oshun_auset, the concept of racism(white supremacy) is fairly new because white supremacy is based on a false idea of black inferiority. justification for chattel/ or generational slavery by european colonizers between 1500 - 1700ad  was based solely on labor needs and biblical rhetoric(and of course skin color was a better tool of class separation)l as j. a. rogers chronicles this in his 'sex and race'. before the 1700's there was no proof as to whether africans were inferior or superior.  because of historic miseducation in europe, rumors existed but the proof that africans maintained superior civilizations came only after the deciphering of the language of egypt/kemit. once the truth about the african origene of civilization was revealed there was a concerted effort to suppress the truth. that gross suppression of the truth is what we now refer to as racism and it began at that point of suppression.  circa 1750 ad.


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"WHY did European/White people do this to the world?"

Do you go with the Isis Papers Keys to the Colours theory,  the  Ice Man Inheritance theory, or the socialist theory...what explains European/White people's global and historical hostility towards people with melanin?....If there are other theories out there please explain



the isis paper is sufficient.


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"WHY did European/White people do this to the world?"


"The Isis papers" says...Albino's leaving/being kicked out of Africa, therefore having a inferiority complex because of the lack of melanin(being allergic to the sun is not natural or man's origional state of being and is also only a conditions suffered by the minority), and therefore, like a bully who feels bad about himself, subjugates others to feel better, and sets up a superirity system,to combat internal inferiority because of lack of melanin... Also removes the female principle in spirituality because of the "origional sin"/birth defect of albonism.


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on your level . . . if a bully was continually beating you up, wouldn't YOU formulate a theory based on past experience which said "this bully is whack, he is mean as this is the behavior he has showed me constantly . . .so therefore I have come to a working conclusion that I do not want to associate with this bully as he brings nothing but negativity to my life."

the system of white supremacy has created white people into beneficiaries of bullies . . we can continue to deny this fact and get nowhere or face it and make some real progress. this is reality.




oshun_auset, why make a post, try to bully your position or use reverse thinking when the agenda which you sat forth is opposed?




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Next post---- Bantu_Kelani and a version of Welsings ‘neurochemical basis for evil’ as told by T.Owens Moore, M.D. which shows that Bantu kelani can accept some of welsing…….but she blames the spiritual imbalance of  ‘white’ on melanine deficiency

Just forget everything else that welsing brought forth.




oshun_auset, why didn't you bully bantu_kelani when she regurgitated a portion of welsings' analysis to support her own bigoted agenda. reparations for african and not for humanity. if european/white people are as bad as some people here suggest, it is only right that the worst case should be repaired first. this topic suggests that white people are in desperate need of repair and if they are beyond repair we are  truly screwed.  

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"please show where african communalism is or has been practiced. i do not see it because the logical extension of african communalisms brought us to amorica.  africa was and is complicitous in its own destruction. the only african personality that i am witness to is one of arrogance, stubborness and ignorance."

This statement shows you have fallen pray to the Euro-centric version of his-story, and that you are no friend of African people, I will no longer communicate with you on that basis. If this site alone hasn't enlightened your mentality about the histoury of your own people(I'm going off of the notion you are African) than there is no hope for you.



oshun_auset, your way or the highway. don't be such a bully. so is it ok if you communicate withe me as a depigmented european african who is still your chile?  



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What does everyone think developed 'this unyielding lust of power' in European civilization? Do you think it is the unlucky combination of spiritual immaturity of a younger human population  



spiritual immaturity of a younger human population? hmmmm..
without an unyielding lust for power humans would have never developed walled cities, domesticated animals or engaged in agriculture. i would suggest that we all donate all of our possessions to charity because surely they exemplify our on lusts and spiritual immaturity.  

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The wicked and unrighteous behavior of the rest of the Caucasian race just stem from an unyielding lush for power. The great majority of white folks live and enjoy the fruits of its evils perhaps that why they refuse to acknowledge that what is obvious.





now that is the pot calling the kettle 'white'. i see that the majority of 'white' folks are as miseducated as the majority of black/non'whites. someone said ' the poor are made slaves by thoses who teach lies, by those who don't teach the true meaning of cause and effect.

CAUSE AND EFFECT

 
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"WHY did European/White people do this to the world?"


"The Ice Man Inheritance says...European agression derives  from the harsh conditions of survival in Europe...that the lack of melanin is from environmental conditions. Where there is little sun(Europe), man's melanin content had to deplete to be able to get the propper amount of vitamin A.  Where as in Africa(and other parts of the world) Melanin was needed to protect us from the sun's harmful UV rays, and life in Africa was not as hostile because of the tropical conditions(more food, more temperate climate, easier life, minimized hostility)...Also the removalof the female principle in spirituality was due to the domminant physical male being revered becuase he was necessary to combat harsh conditions and survive. The female was weaker(physically) and therefore not deserving of spiritual reverence...





oshun_ auset, does michael bradley admit that the ICEMEN WERE AFRICANS......why not? welsing does. which socialist writer will admit that THE ICEMEN ARE/WERE AFRICANS?

 
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"WHY did European/White people do this to the world?"


Basically I am asking the big question...
"WHY did Eurpean/White people do this to the world?"

I havn't came to a conclusion yet and would very much appreciate other people's opinions and input on what they think...

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So do you have any explanation of why Eurpoean culture "excelled" at exploitation and subjugation of the entire world?



oshun_auset, you are not admitting that your self have failed. if so, i think we should then agree withe you. i would not agree that you have or will ever fail in the face of european cultural excellance. you are not being subjagated or exploited presently? if so, send    s.o.s  or a message in a bottle.







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There is no doubt in my mind the counterfeit historical and anthropological ideas and theories of European scholars are intended so the White Establishment continues its exploitation and oppression of Black Africans. Despite these well-known DISTORTIONS the whites so-called Africanists have the audacity to uphold these lies on Black forums. When conscious and educated Black folks relate the TRUTH, that has nothing to do with white racism, it is simply relating REALITY! I have come to the realization that most Caucasians know exactly what's going on. When they come to Black forums faking like they are one of us only to support lies and propaganda, I understand they are not interested in the TRUTH. They only want to refute the savage behavior so common in their nature. Poor souls.



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I try to read what you write in your post but I can't understand what you're saying because what you say so many times doesn't make any sense.




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Peace and hotep,  

Frances Cress Welsing quotes socialist writer Neely Fuller Jr. in her dedication of the isis papers.  He states

“if you do not understand white supremacy(racism) – what it is, and how it works – everything else that you understand, will only confuse you.”

She finishes her dedication by recommending that all non ‘white’ people worldwide read Neely Fuller Jr. ’s work,

THE UNITED INDEPENDENT COMPENSATORY CODE/SYSTEM/CONCEPT:  a textbook/workbook for thought, speech and/or action for victims of racism(white supremacy).

 In his work, Fuller discusses (and Welsing refers to)                  

NINE MAJOR AREAS OF PEOPLE ACTIVITY IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE

They are economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war which are social activities. However the racists(white supremacist) dominate non ’white’people in all areas of major activity.




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I fail to see how white dominance/control of the 9 major areas of human activity validates the "Cress theory" or invalidates 'white' socialist writers like Bradley or Marx. Accepting for argument's sake that whites control all of these, neither of the explanations presented of why whites control all of these sheds any more light on the subject.




where has 'white' socialist writers like bradley or marx wrote about europeans evolving from africans like welsing. at least there is no doubt that white dominance controls the 9 major areas of human activity. innovative africans like welsing challenge the status quote without war or the destruction of the 9 areas of human activity. what some suggests would lead us to self destruction. like if africans/non'whites' ever received reparations without repairing our european/caucasion/'white' counterparts there would be war.
there should not be war unless we have totally exhausted our options.

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My whole purpose of posting was to debunk this theory that Evil and Anti-Life began with the White Man. This is completely a racist mode of thinking. It is absolutely ignorant to believe that a diabolical nature originated with ONE specific people.




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This reaction is often one that is generated as a defense mechanism to deal with the guilt of belong to a race that committed the worse atrocities in human history. The reality is that even though chattel slavery has ended, the mindset and oppressive system that facilitated slavery is still very much present. So people especially Whites have to come to   terms with their own role and complicity is the present system of false values and privileges and not try to sidestep the injustices by saying that all cultures have evil or....whatever defense mechanism is convienent. It is imperative that people deal with themselves from who they are. So if a person is White, Indian or whatever, they  must deal with themselves from the uniqueness of that experience.

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It is an intellectual and moral cop out to claim that anyone who studies the history of slavery is simply trying to assuage the guilt of their ancestry. The history of enslavement culminates with the European atrocities perpetrated on Africans. But this is only the terrible culmination, not the middle or the beginning. It behooves us to know the entire story from beginning to end to better understand why it was a successful development strategy and what can be done about this shared legacy.




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Again there is NO RECORD that hints the Black race committed wholesale massacres and atrocities to animals or human beings BEFORE the invasions of the Caucasian people


THE PEOPLE OF KEMIT WOULD ROUTINELY EXECUTE RUDDY OR RED PEOPLE WHO REMINDED THEM OF SETH.

THE NEANDERTHAL OF EURASIA WAS REPLACED BY CROMAGNON/HOMMO SAPIEN SAPIEN(who origenated in africa)  

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Ausar's phalus was thrown into the Hapi(nile) river and a catfish ate it...and your point was?...



the body of ausar was torn apart and eventually brought back together with the exclusion of the procreative(or happy) part.

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« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2004, 07:57:49 AM »

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THE PEOPLE OF KEMIT WOULD ROUTINELY EXECUTE RUDDY OR RED PEOPLE WHO REMINDED THEM OF SETH.


According to information I have read, Seth is indicitive of the pole star that was visible only south of and at the equator. Horus was indicitive of the pole star visible at or north of the equator. If Seth is equated with the southern latitutudes, how could it be indicitive of "red or ruddy people" . . . aren't the ones closest to and south of the equator the darkest people in the world?  
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« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2004, 10:54:34 AM »

Once again, anyone who thinks Africans are not CURRENTLY being subjugated or oppressed is not worth talking to.

Iyah 360 you are looking at a myth from the cosmological standpoint...the way all ancient myths of high esoteric science cultures should be viewed. Some choose not to do that.
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« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2004, 08:53:08 PM »

peace and hotep,

iyah360, surely even 360 can be raised to a higher power. try 360 to the x power

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According to information I have read, Seth is indicitive of the pole star that was visible only south of and at the equator. Horus was indicitive of the pole star visible at or north of the -equator. If Seth is equated with the southern latitutudes, how could it be indicitive of "red or ruddy people" . . . aren't the ones closest to and south of the equator the darkest people in the world?  



.....in daily practice, it was necessary to have recourse to summary and potent rites, in order to bring about an instantaneous resurrection of the dismembered god.
    this was effected by simulating, side by side withe the vegetable and animal rebirth. a victim was sacrificed and its life taken, in order that this life escaping from the body of the victim might enter the body of ausar. sometimes  the victims were men, prisoners of war, or libyans with red hair, recalling the image of seth , who had red skin and hair; but usually a bull, a gazelle, or some horned animal, sacred to seth, was sufficient.......... a. moret, du sacrifice en egypte, in the revue de l'histoire des religions, 01/1908







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"please show where african communalism is or has been practiced. i do not see it because the logical extension of african communalisms brought us to amorica.  africa was and is complicitous in its own destruction. the only african personality that i am witness to is one of arrogance, stubborness and ignorance."

This statement shows you have fallen pray to the Euro-centric version of his-story, and that you are no friend of African people, I will no longer communicate with you on that basis. If this site alone hasn't enlightened your mentality about the histoury of your own people(I'm going off of the notion you are African) than there is no hope for you.




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Once again, anyone who thinks Africans are not CURRENTLY being subjugated or oppressed is not worth talking to.

Iyah 360 you are looking at a myth from the cosmological standpoint...the way all ancient myths of high esoteric science cultures should be viewed. Some choose not to do that.


metaphysical or physical

just how are oshun's quotes similiar? how are they different?
get on the band waggon.

seshatasefekht never said " Africans are not CURRENTLY being subjugated or oppressed is not worth talking to. ", because i speak withe caucasian africans and african africans all  of the time

how can we not believe that africa was not  and is not complicitous in its own destruction.

oshun_auset, it is cool that you have reduced your topic to personal attacks. sometimes i do the same.

however, i will not be in denial like a follower. every ones should think for oneselves.

THINK IT'S NOT ILLEGAL YET

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« Reply #83 on: February 24, 2004, 12:01:42 PM »

"seshatasefekht never said " Africans are not CURRENTLY being subjugated or oppressed is not worth talking to. ", because i speak withe caucasian africans and african africans all  of the time"

People who refers to themselves in third person are usually overly self involved and egocentric.

And there are no "Cacasian Africans"....there are Europeans who were borna and live in Africa. And there are Africans who are born on the continent or abroad.

Here is your long awaited example of Africa's pre-colonial communalism. There are many other examples, but I don't haver time to do the research...

Before private ownership(capitalism)

If this analysis of state and class is anything to go by then one cannot authentically talk of the state among some of the communities in Ghana before the 14th century. The predominant principle of social relations was that of the family and kinship associated with communalism. Among the Gur social groups in the Upper East Region of Ghana, for example, every member of the society had their position defined in terms of their relationship with their mother's or father's family. Leadership was based on religious ties to the Tindana, or custodian of the land, who ran the affairs of the people with a committee of elders chosen from all the families and clans of the territory. This committee administered land, the major means of production not as its personal property, but as the property of all the people in Gurum-Tinga (Gur land) who had the right to till it. Hunting, fishing and grazing grounds for animals were organised in a similar manner. No-one starved whilst others stuffed themselves with food and threw the excess away or sold it for profit. The basic economic law was that of providing the members of society with the necessary means of subsistence through communal ownership of the means of production. The absence of private property in the means of production, of the division into classes and the exploitation of man by man excluded the need for a state. Production was essentially of use values; and there was no alienation of the producer from his means of production. To a very large extent, this explained why the British colonial government had to create chiefs in Gur land and use them as instruments of its policy of exploitation and dehumanisation.

Africans skipped over the stage of slavery and were transitioning from an agricultural communal society to an agricultural feudal society where as most other nations went from communalism to slavery to feudalism. Slavery in Africa was minimal and not very harsh. Slaves were generally POWs and were able to earn their freedom in a matter of years and they held some rights. Slavery was prevalent in the Middle East and Europe.

There were fuedal states in Africa, but on the grassroots level they still had communal tendancies.

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« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2004, 08:51:02 PM »

peace and hotep,

oshun_auset,  here is a little research withe sources.    

ghana is known to have emerged from the ambitions of a small but evidently vigorous people called the soninke, whose descendants now live along the flanks of the senegal river. for reasons that we do not know and probably shall never know, they made a bid to control their NEIGHBORS: according to an 11th century arab source, no doubt drawing on much older information, they were able to succeed because they FOUGHT withe iron weapons while these neighbors fought withe ebony. they needed and acquired a central organization under a god-protected ruler

("People who refers to themselves in third person are usually overly self involved and egocentric.")  Lips Sealed 2,

the ghana, whose title became the name of their state otherwise known locally as aoukar or wagadu. by the ninth century, if not earlier, they had won control over the westerly part of the western sudan in respect of two great items: their ruler and his appointees controlled the import of salt from the desert fringes, as well as the export of gold towards the north.

  by the eleventh century, when the first clear record of ghana becomes available, a large part of the western sudanese grassland was enclosed within a single system of imperial tax and tribute..........

   the old ghanaian pattern set the course of western sudanese history for more than a thousand years: time after time a strong central authority strove to impose its will on rival authorities and to hold these vassals in obedience, drawing its military strenght from conscripted levies and its financial power from the proceeds of intra-regional and export trade in gold and other goods and import trade in salt, copper, and manufactures from egypt, north africa and even europe. now and then the pattern was disturbed by invasion.........basil davidson, 'african civilization revisited'

and of course, within the empire for peaceful cohabitation,  no group of villages ever contain only one descent-line.......davidson, 'the african genius.

so communalism is okay if you only attack your neighbors...

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