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lado
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« on: June 10, 2008, 06:44:08 AM »



M K . GHANDI OF ( INDIA ) N. MANDALA OF ( AZANIA - SOUTH AFRICA ) , CAN THEY BE CONSIDERED POLITICAL SAINTS FOR AFRICA ?


A friend writes and comments to me  - why did Nelson Madela try and get rid of all the Indians and Paki muslims from the ANC ? after all they did it was a bit of a stab in the back.......


I have thought for a long time and as I promised to him one day to talk of it ( of his querry ), here are my comments to him about the relationship that created itself betwwen the Indians of Ghandi and the ANC of Mandela in South Africa : I would appreciate more comments from you please readers of this Article .


Heroes may be considered standard bearers, models that exemplify all that is good, noble and humane. But when we look at some of the supposedly Great People of the world, we find often hidden Horrendous EVILS behind their saintly halos, facts that show a different picture of them, a picture which reflects why they in the first place have been chosen to be made into icons. Because they were in varying degrees, all bearers of the hierarchical mind state.


MK . Ghandi ( the Indian ), is one , as considered sacred pantheon of the global order. He is presented as the pacifist, humanist and all encompassing saint to put it mildly. Further research though reveals a dark side. For one reason M K Ghandi was loyal to imperialism and during the course of his career, he displayed caste based discriminatory sentiment, as well as blatant racism.


We are often told of his heroic struggle in South Africa but rarely are we told of the basis of his actions. A look into some of his writings reflects clearly a picture somewhat different than what we are taught by today’s propaganda artists.


In 1896, September 26th, he wrote “ ours is one continued struggle sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to level of the raw *&^$#@, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is collecting a certain number of cattle to buy a wife, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness”.


In 1905, march 25th, in the “Indian Opinion” he wrote about a Bill regulating the use of fire arms:“In the instance of fire arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of firearms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there any slight vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indian ?"


In 1906, June 2nd, Ghandi stated again in the “Indian Opinion”: Thanks to the court decision, only clean Indians and other colored people other than *&^$#@, can travel in trains.


MK . Ghandi furthermore felt it was his duty to participate in the quelling of the Zulu uprising ( the Bambata Rebellion of 1906 ) and volunteered to lead a brigade of Indians. He received a medal for valour under fire. Though it can be argued, that his statements following the war, reveal a greater solidarity with Africans , they still do not change the fact that Ghandi was fighting for ( in South Africa - AZANIA ) the civil rights of Indians as British citizens within the British Empire. No more, no less.


The essence of my argument is that no people are endowed by God, the universe, evolution or fate to control, enslave and dominate. No group of people have the right to set themselves up apart from the rest of society or humanity as a dominant elite.


Mandela is not such a holy saint as is believed by the British as to the extend of a statue making Live in the Heart of London City ( UK ) of him . Funny indeed where Mandela has fooled the Africans where he in realty has done nothing good to the Africans as President of AZANIA ( South Africa ). In short Mandela has always then lived with imperialistic mind too like M K Ghandi  Huh.


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LADO

Institute of Sudanic Studies

Lado - Occupied Kingdom Stste of Lado in Africa   
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nomo8
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 10:59:53 PM »

From this article link: http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1948/documentid/1950/history/3,2360,1947,1948,1950  by permission of the editors of this site,  there is apparent cultural proclivity between two nation states,  India and Israel, that highlights the caste mentality in both places  framing, perhaps, your observations on Ghandi and who he truly was as a political animal.  Israel's relations past and present with South Africa are well known.

In California, we had a large infusion of Indian immigrants from the upper caste with so called 60 thousand dollar visas ( the price at one time for residency in the form of an investment), also special visas for high tech immigrants granting immediate residency and legal status for employment.   The mentality of these people was shocking to the average Californian as they carried the caste baggage with them.  Merely owning a 7-11  mini market or flea bag motel is not considered a high social standing in America, so the 60K immigrants were anything but pleasant in daily business to the mob of mongrel americans they had to sell beer and nudy magazines to. 

On the other hand, the writer has had the real pleasure of meeting and enjoying the company of indians in western pacific (descendants of "untouchable" sugar cane workers) who are very fine people indeed.  Still, the baggage of caste may flow downwards in terms of race relations.  Probably, we should pay a lot more attention to history and culture when taking the measure of these "heroes".  I was pretty shocked at ghandi's quotes you cited..  N8
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EmpresKeneilwe
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 07:02:25 AM »

Greetings all...

As South African, we always try to tell people about this, but people are always ready in arms to defend them all.

He sold us out to the white man, forever making us their mental slaves. Tis sad indeed!
I still say Mugabe is one revolutionist Africa has ever had, despite all that he has done! But then again, show me a country where no human life was sacrificed!

Blacks suffer the same struggle globally! Cry
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lado
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 05:22:29 AM »


WHO IS LADO?!!!




Get your Answer from here :   

http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/cgi-bin/forum/archive1/config.pl?read=77711
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Iniko Ujaama
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 11:35:36 AM »

Greetings Lado

Could you provide some links which may clarify your views on Mr. Mandela? i am familiar with some of what you shared on Mr. Ghandi but there was little in your post to substantiate the views expressed about Mr. Mandela. I have heard others express reservations about the ANC in general and would be glad if you could help enlighten me  on those as well.
I was disappointed in what appeared in the Western to be his(Mr. Mandela's) chastizement of President Mugabe on the occasion of his(mandela's) birthday [in Hyde park in the U.K]with little or no reference to the wider issues involved. but about his earlier history particularly that which may inspire your sentiments I am totally oblivous.

I look forward to your sharing

blessings
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lado
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 10:29:25 AM »

Greetings Lado

Could you provide some links which may clarify your views on Mr. Mandela? i am familiar with some of what you shared on Mr. Ghandi but there was little in your post to substantiate the views expressed about Mr. Mandela. I have heard others express reservations about the ANC in general and would be glad if you could help enlighten me  on those as well.
I was disappointed in what appeared in the Western to be his(Mr. Mandela's) chastizement of President Mugabe on the occasion of his(mandela's) birthday [in Hyde park in the U.K]with little or no reference to the wider issues involved. but about his earlier history particularly that which may inspire your sentiments I am totally oblivous.

I look forward to your sharing

blessings





To the eyes of the Black Africans in the every corner part of African Continent , Mandella was a revolutionary. But Mandella consciousely ' sold out ' this revolutionary based mind . He sold out, albeit under duress ? 


The economic shituation in S.A. for the majority African populous is largely the same as what it was before the end of Apartheid. That is to say , the White minority is still in economic control. They still control the resources and industry . Mandella consciously let drop the ball on the re - distribution of wealth, and he, as well as and  other members of the ANC were paid off to do so ( literally with millions ) to abandon the black Africans to their fates . What fate then ? 


The ANC is much like the NAACP is now, They had their revolutionary, ' moment ', but they are largely now part of the Bourgeoise, and are no longer a revolutionary organization . The PAC( Pan African Congress of Azania ) organization, which was formed in response to the ANC's betrail during the struggle against apartheid (1959) are the true uncompromising heroes. They were the ones, headed by Mangaliso Robert Sobukwe , who orgnanized the Protest against the Pass Laws, that provoked the Sharpville Massacre, the actual turning point in the anti-apartheid struggle.


Her is a bit of the  history to explain where  coming from. Mandella was jailed for 27 years ;  18 on Robben Island . He was moved to another 'cushier' prison ( unlike other prisoners ) once he agreed to ' comprimise ' and ' compile ' the new constitution for the country with the ' assistance and approval ' of the Declerk government.  Just Immagine ; Who writes a constitution while in prison !!!!!   


This is how the "coalition government of national unity" came to be and therefore No guess as to why Mandella ' accepted ' that shared nobel peace prize and it is hard to come to know  what type of threat, torture, or duress Mandella was under, or if he was just plain out worn down, tired, and therefore easily bribed...but the fact remains he 'caved'.


You see, many of the former ANC members traded in the interests of their people for a voice ( backed by their former enemy's money ) in parlarment. They traded in the true liberation of the Azanian  people's land (economically & politically ) for a comfortable position ( economically and socially ).


In 1963, the S.A. aprtheid government passed a clause which enabled it to detain people after the completion of their sentences. Sobukwe was the only person to be affected by this infamous clause, which became known as the ' Sobukwe clause '. It was renewed annually in parliament. After his release from Robben Island in 1969, Sobukwe was kept under house arrest in Kimberley until his death in 1978. In August 1977, Zephania Mothopeng, the most senior PAC leader after Sobukwe, was detained, and in December of that year, he and 17 others were put on trial for terrorism .


Note Bene : Usually, when the West holds someone up as a Hero ( N . Mandela is now one )  and promotes them as such, there is a reason ( it serves their interests ). There is usually a more militant hero ( and movement ) in history that they are trying to distract the people from identifying with. The West wants Mandela to be the focus because he allowed them to maintain economic control of Africans resources. He didn't threaten their bottom line... Money & Power. Something which is different with Mugabe . ( cf  : President Idi Amin of Uganda who got a short at by the British to overthrew him as President of the protected Uganda by the British for their political and economic interest  in the country Uganda . ) 


Mandella is no Marcus Garvey , King Atabua of Lado (or Francis Kwame Nkrumah or Johnstone Kamau Jomo Kenyata  ), he is more like an NAACP era W.E.B. Du Bois...but even Du Bois wasn't officially and openly ' paid off .'


For further information on this I would suggest your futher   reading :  More info on Dr. Pheko & PAC


The Land is Ours!-The Political Legacy Of Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe by Dr. Motsoko Pheko


Click to this link for the insights :


http://www.panafricanperspective.com/pac/index.html


By Lado


Lado - Institute of Sudanic Studies .

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