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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 02:59:49 PM »

No need to throw the N word around, afrikanrebel06.



Does this include WHITES and ASIANS and MIXED RACES?


Why's it gotta be like that? God loves everyone on an individual level. Anyone from any race can achieve whatever if they put their faith in the universal creator.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2007, 10:23:57 AM »

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The answer to your question is amphatically YES! What in my post led you to raise this question? Mankind is the Glory of God. We are all made in Its Divine image and likeness. It is not a question of race, ethnicity or colour, but rather one of spiritual evolution. The vast majority of the people of the world are still trapped in the lower part of the spirit which is why the world is currently in the condition that it is in. While it is true that many African descended and indigenous peoples have at some point displayed a high understanding of God and Creation at different points throughout history, the obvious reality now is smacking us in the face with the fact most have lost their understanding and knowledge of Self. And it is not through faith alone that we realize our Divinity but through the living of Truth (especially in the face of challenges).
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2007, 06:05:51 PM »

"mankind is the glory of God"

why do you say that?
Was it harder for The One to create the blood-thirsty one than a grain of sand?
Is it because you think it has more intelligence than the grasshopper?

Or is your god truly a jealous god?
Is it from this favouritism that stems the sins of the most-loved?
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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2007, 11:57:10 AM »

"mankind is the glory of God"

why do you say that?
Was it harder for The One to create the blood-thirsty one than a grain of sand?
Is it because you think it has more intelligence than the grasshopper?

Or is your god truly a jealous god?
Is it from this favouritism that stems the sins of the most-loved?

"mankind is the glory of God" only means that Man (man and woman) are created in the image and likeness of God (this according to the scriptures, but it is also true!). This simply means that though the universal consciousness that is God permeates all creation (including the grasshopper), it is only through Man that God can fully express Itself in the world. An example that was given to me by my teacher, Ra Un Nefer Amen, is the analogy of a great pianist like Mozart or Beethoven attempting to fully express him/herself through their musical instrument. Give them a toy piano and they will still be able to play it, however, the sound that comes through will be nothing compared the sound that comes through a baby grand piano. Like with Mozart and the piano, it is with Man that God can express all of Its Divine attributes in the world. In addition, Man alone has been given free Will (as opposed to instictive behavior or being compelled by nature) and as such can choose to reunite with the source of all creation (God) by elevating His Spiritual Awareness.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2007, 03:46:15 PM »

There is no proof of God, only faith.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2007, 03:59:30 PM »

everything has its creator iyah
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Iniko Ujaama
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2007, 08:41:23 AM »

A very useful and powerful reasoning indeed.
I come from a long way myself. Roman Catholic Catechist => Baptist passer by while reading Assemblies of Yahweh Newsletters => finding the whole GOD Concept(as per Western Orthodox Religion) to restrictive.
I think it stands to a wider logic that we cannot but be part of the Infinite/ the All otherwise how could it be such. And by the same logic, If one's "God" is less than infinite, this "god" is subject to the Infinite so perhaps one must proceed to the boss/ The ALL.
However the conceptual understanding of "GoD" and the overstanding (experiential knowledge) of divinity are two different things, the latter being a progression of the former. based on my experience and that of many I think one must for one's overstanding be mindful of the fact of individual process and share. I think it is productive not to ridicule another's perspective where one can help it(i.e sometimes in the course of revealing truth it is unavoidable).
One lesson I have taken along my trod is that an honest seeking of truth, with persistence and integrity(and commitment to be honest) will yield truth. And as I read somewhere "There is no religion higher than truth". religion was never meant to be the end all. For me it is a cultural interpretation of the path to spirituality in its essence. therefore one who has that deep overstanding sees the deeper unity in the truth behind all the dogma and knows that he/she must proceed beyond this dogma and religion to forward to the deepest of spirituality/ divinity/ SELF.
I think many times when this issue of the existence of "god" comes up... it is an issue of whether my "God" exists. As was alluded to in an earlier comment. The dichotomy and the unreconciled issue between God and Science arises from a shallow or deficient understanding of spirituality and a precedence of religion of spirituality. This is the sad plight of the Orthodox view of Religion.
Blessed love to each one on his/her trod. Stay resolute in your quest for truth and it will yield. Spirituality, History, Science in their depths are complementary
Love and Strength
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2009, 06:42:40 AM »

Lets put this question in the form of an argument.

(A) If God were to exist, then there would be good objective evidence for that.
(B) But there is no good objective evidence for God's existence.
(C) Therefore, probably God does not exist.

The basic datum appealed to here is not the fact of people's nonbelief in God, but the weakness of our evidence for God. A certain methodological principle is assumed here; that the burden of proof is always on one who claims the existence of something and if that burden is not fulfilled then it is reasonable to claim that the thing in question does not exist. In this case,God.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2009, 06:32:34 AM »

i still repute Bennu ausar's assertion that mankind is the Glory of God. That is hogwash. we are a curse upon ourselves and the universe of the Most High. Ours is a path of blood, or i'm blind. I do not like the idea that these bloodied hands of mine re the reflection of the Most High's.

No, let the gentle breeze be the Glory of God.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2009, 10:47:54 AM »

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when i myself belief that there was a start to all creation...wat started it? how did it start? because whenever i try to disprove god's existence, i find i come up with the same thing only defining it in a somewhat unusual manner.
Aken Ferryman of the Underworld
Aker Guardian and Gatekeeper of the Underworld
Am-Heh - Devourer of Millions
Ament Greeter of the Dead
Ammit Devourer of the Wicked
Amun and Amun-Re The King of the Gods
Anat Mother of Gods
Andjety A precursor of Osiris
Anqet The Embracer, Goddess of Fertility and the Nile at Aswan 
Anubis God of Embalming
Anuke Goddess of War
Anuket Goddess of the Nile
Apep The Great Destroyer
Arensnuphis Anthropomorphic Nubian Deity
As Kindly God of the Desert
Astarte, Warrior Goddess of Canaan
Aten The Sun Disk and later God
Atum The All-Father
Auf (Efu Ra) An aspect of the sun god Ra
Baal, God of Thunder
Ba-Pef - The Soul
Babi - The Dominant Male Baboon God
Banebdjetet God of Lower Egypt
Bast Beautiful Cat-Goddess
Bat - Ancient Cow Goddess
Benu (Bennu) - The Bird of Creation
Bes Protector of Childbirth
Dedwen - Nubian God of Resources
Denwen - The Fiery Serpent
The Ennead The Nine Great Osirian Gods
Fetket - The Sun God's Butler
Geb God of the Earth
Gengen Wer - The Great Honker
Hapi God of the Nile River
Hathor Goddess of Music and Dance
Hatmehyt - The Fish Goddess
Haurun, The Victorious Herdsman
Heh and Hauhet Deities of Infinity and Eternity
Heqet Frog Goddess
Heret-Kau - She who is Above the Spirits
Heryshef, Ruler of the Riverbanks
Heset Goddess of Plenty
Hetepes-Sekhus - An Eye of Re
Hike God of Magic and Medicine
Horus King of the Gods on Earth
Hu God of the Spoken Word
Iabet, Cleanser of Re, Personification of the East
Ihy - The Child God
Imhotep Lord of Science and Thought
Ipy (Opet), A Mother of Osiris
Isis Queen of the Gods
Iusaas - Creator Goddess
Kabechet Helper of Anubis
Kek and Kauket, Deities of Darkness, Obscurity and Night
Khenmu The Great Potter
Kherty - Ram-headed God
Kephri The Great Scarab
Khonsu God of the Moon
Maat Lady of Truth and Order
Mafdet Goddess of Scorpions and Snakes
Mahaf - The Ferryman
Mahes The Lord of the Massacre
Male Child Gods of Egypt
Mandulis - The Lower Nubian Sun God
Mehen Defender of the Sun Boat
Mehet-Weret - Cow Goddess of the Sky
Menhit Lion-headed War Goddess
Mertseger Guardian of the Valley of the Kings
Meskhenet - Goddess of Childbrith
Mihos - Son of Bastet
Min God of Fertility
Montu, Warrior and Solar God
Mut Grandmother of the Gods
Nefertem Lord of the Sunrise
Nehebkau, the God who Joined the Ka to the Body
Nekhbet Goddess of the Power of Kings
Neith Goddess of War and Funerals
Nephthys Lady of the Wings
Nun and Naunet Gods of Chaos and Water
Nut Goddess of the Firmament
The Ogdoad The Primordial Creation Gods
Onuris The War God
Osiris Lord of the Dead
Pakhet The Strength of Woman
Panebtawy - The Child God
Peteese and Pihor - Brother Gods
Ptah The Creator
Qadesh - Goddess of Esctasy and Sexual Pleasure
Re (Ra) The Sun God
Renenutet Goddess of the Harvest
Reshep - The Syrian War God
Sah and Sopdet (Sothis) The Astral God and Goddess
Satet Goddess of the Inundation
Satis Guardian of the Borders
Sebiumeker - Meroitic God of Procreation
Sefkhet-Abwy - Goddess of Writing and Temple Libraries
Seker The Resurrected Osiris
Sekhmet The Eye of Ra
Sepa - Centipede God
Serapis the Composit God
Serqet (Selkis) Scorpion Goddess
Seshat Goddess of writing, measurements
Set God of Evil
Shay - Personified Destiny
Shesmetet - Leonine Goddess
Shesmu Demon god of the Win Press
Shu God of the Air and Sky
Sia - The Perceptive Mind
Sobek Guard of the Gods
Sons of Horus Gods of the Viscera and the Canopic Jars
Sopedu - The Border Patrol God
Ta-Bitjet - A Wife of Horus
Tasenetnofret - The Good Sister
Taweret Goddess Demoness of Birth
Tayet - Goddess of Weaving
Tefnut Goddess of Moisture
Tatenen - "Father of Gods" and the God of the Rising Earth
Thoth God of Wisdom
Wadj Wer - The Pregnant God
Wadjet The Serpent Goddess
Weneg - Ancient Son of Re
Wepwawet (Upuaut) The Opener of the Ways
Wosret - Goddess of Thebes
Yah - Another Moon God
Yamm - God of the Sea

Here is a SHORT list of gods that came before yahweh. How is it that all these gods that where here way before yahweh, but yahweh (the monotheistist god) is still creadited with creation? All religion that came before the current god is dissmissed as myth. Why?
Do you know the story of yahweh? That he was side by side with el-gol at the time of his creation? He was a simple god of war. And now he is the roots of all big 3 religions.
Why do people who live in the modern world (use the internet, drive cars, ect..) accept a belief system that came from the bronze age? Why is science dissmissed over a book that involves a man talking to snakes or shrubs. Not to mention men like "religous archaeologist" such as David Ben-Gurion and Israel Finkelstein who set out to prove the story of exodus but came up with nothing. No flight from Egypt, no wandering in the desert, and no dramatic conquest of the promised land. No Egyptian chronicle mentions this episode either, not even in passing. So the whole story of Moses is complete and utter non since. Thus the 10 commandments, witch was given to Moses falls to this same fate.
Yet people still cling to this non since and thus retard society with intolerance, ingnorance, and even holy wars. Why?
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