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« on: June 15, 2003, 11:03:59 PM »

Religious trickery (Racism tied to Religion)-

My concern here is to speak out and liberate us from a doctrine that cannot save African people but enslave them. Christianity has made Africans docile and passive while the so-called white Christian rules the world and practice unchristian ways, just as ISLAM has made the African an Arab.. The bible's main purpose was a justification and a rationalization for the slave trade against people outside of Europe. That is the whole purpose and it was created from a collection of books for European Power desires. The "the other people outside of Europe" are older than "Adam and Eve story" an Enkidu story from Ancient Sumer. The Enkidu story was stolen from the Sumer tales and the names were changed when the white man found the story and made it Adam & Eve. What the world fail to realize is that before Europe came into existence in 808 BCE with Homer there was over 10,000 years of African Civilization before the Greeks and AFRICAN WERE MUCH MORE SPIRITUAL AND HAD MUCH MORE INTEGRITY.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism all three religions were taken out of Africa, then resold to us when brought back to us by Male Chauvinist Murder cult societies that's out there to Murder the Africans all over the World. I have problems with ISLAM as well as Christians from an African perspective. First lets Attack Christianity for the "Ham Nonsense" first Noah's son Called Ham who never existed just like many things in the bible like the Adam & Eve story or Fable is a better word. This has been a Justification for Slavery by Protestants and Catholics and ISLAM. Ham Never existed you can find no Hamites in Africa or in the Middle East. Just as much as there is no "Negro in Africa". Christians have been the most Murderous bunch on the face of this Earth. Lets see they come to other people's land with the bible in one hand and taking the land with other. Missionaries in South America in 1977 use the "Panarai Indians as an example and said the Panarai Indians Killed Jesus Christ to convert the Panarai Indians to Christ". Don't take my word for it read for yourself get Norman Lewis Book " GOD Against the Indians".
Remember the First Slave ship that came to America with Africans was on a ship called the Jesus Christ " I wonder How many Christians Killed Africans in the Middle passage over 600 Million People was killed from 1497-1922. And Christians are going to tell you that the only way you can be saved is to have the Blood Jesus whip on you. That was the same thing Pope Martin said when he endorse Slavery for the Europeans to enslave Africans. Later the same Christians sent Missionaries around the world and use a white Jesus that again colonized people of color the world over the world.

Now Islam and the Arabs came to Africa when the Africans were trying to get the Romans of their Back and Islam and the Arabs did get the Romans off the Africans Back. But they replace the Romans on the Africans back and haven't left yet. Sudan is a perfect example where the Arab and Mulattos Africans still enslave Africans from the south today and the fight today is making Africans convert or be slaughtered. A lot of blacks see and regard Arabs as our brothers. They are not and will never be our brothers.
The Arabs have done and are continuing to do great and severe injustices to Africa and Africans. Arab racism is more evident in the periphery of the Arab Middle East. Arab slavery and imperialism is an unknown tragedy, which produces misconceptions among the Black communities. This is dangerous! A good number of Diaspora Africans seem to confuse AFRICANISM with ARABISM. In an attempt to escape white cultural domination, Diaspora Africans and blacks are turning in large numbers to Islam. Lacking any historical or contemporary knowledge of Arab slavery, they are adopting Arab names and culture as a way of avoiding slave names and heritage. Arab leaders have always asserted their superiority over blacks, through their religion, language and culture. For example in the book, "The Arabs as Master Slavers" King Ibn Saud, the preeminent Saudi Arabian ruler, is quoted as having stated that he kept slaves as a matter of "Divine right". He maintained that because the Arabs are the chosen people of God, all others were subservient to them. Furthermore, Libya's President, Mua'ammur Quadaffi, has said that because of his country's oil wealth, he could "buy the Africans". This is evident in his efforts in the African union. Having failed in his plans for an Arab union. Africa is on the verge of being completely taken over by the Arabs. Today they control and own about 40% of Africa. Morocco, Mauritania Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Chad, Niger, Sudan, Egypt, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia, Comoros Islands and many more are considered Arab countries and all belong to the Arab League. If you don't believe me then go yourself to Egypt, Libya, Morocco or any of these countries and tell them they are Africans. You will be lucky to escape with your life just for calling them Africans.

If you look everywhere in HISTORY you see other people use their Religion to take from AFRICA what they did not want to pay for.

It does not Matter what cloak the African wears if he or she is a follower of the Major Male Chauvinist Murder cults we will always be in conflict with each other. Christianity, ISLAM or Judaism is culturally ANTITHETICAL to African people because it teaches separation from others instead of Oneness. ONENESS, which is the foundation of TRADITIONAL AFRICAN BELIEFS.  African people were the only group of humans on this planet who actually lived and practice rituals and beliefs depicted in the bible. For many thousands of years our Ancestors worshipped Women, revered and idolized them. Ancient records show our Black Women as GODDESS, Queen, Scholar, Diplomat, Scientist, Icon, Prophet and Freedom fighting warrior often above her father, husband and brothers. No other human of any racial or ethnic type has been so widely venerated as has the AFRICAN WOMAN. What Africans and Africans descent people need to understand since we live in a Eurocentric universe today is before the invasions when Africa was at her Zenith, African People did not come from a Male Chauvinist Murder cult society like the Europeans or the Sand people of the desert African WOMAN WERE AT THE CENTER OF OUR LIVES. And at that time Africans were the Most Spiritual and had the Most Integrity.
When our Slave master decided to give us the Bible, the Koran or the Torah it was done so to make the slaves work better and keep us docile which sad to say we as a people are still are. For as long as we worship the foreign Male Chauvinist Murder Religions, we will be a lost people with no foundation, no goals, no self-determination.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism religions are not much more than a mere speck on the broad tapestry that is ALKEBULAN History. From SONGHAY to KEMET to ZULU to ASHANTI there is so much more than their Lie of History.  Only through the practice and growth of our truest religion and Ancient Culture will we ever be liberated!

Knowledge is Power Ignorance is Oppression. Studying the works of Haile I SelaissieI, Patrice LUMUMBA, Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah, the honorable Malcolm X, and The honorable Marcus Garvey, should open the eye of All. We must start AFRICAN UNITY NOW!


Mayeli Na Makasi!
(Power 'n strength)


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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2003, 03:31:20 AM »

YESSSS!!! Come Again SISTAH!
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2003, 09:59:50 AM »

I apologize, but your arguement is absurd.  In the quran it says '"Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job). "

Now notice they say nothing about only black people being slaves, nor does it discriminate at all.  

there are also many surahs stating that you must free slaves

EDIT:  you cannot judge muslim people by other muslim people, only by the quran.  educate yourself, read, learn
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2003, 02:24:12 PM »

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I apologize, but your arguement is absurd.  In the quran it says '"Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job). "

Now notice they say nothing about only black people being slaves, nor does it discriminate at all.  

there are also many surahs stating that you must free slaves

EDIT:  you cannot judge muslim people by other muslim people, only by the quran.  educate yourself, read, learn


You are using the Qu'ran to back up your argumentation even if there is NOTHING that is original about of the Qu'ran. The foundational concepts of the Hebrew Torah, the bible and Qu'ran are COPIED  nearly word for word from the Book of Coming forth by Day commonly known as "The Book of the Dead"...But the Torah, the Bible and QU'RAN have been so CORRUPTED to suit the political and Econonic benefit of the Oppressors, that  it's hard to know with any certainty what to take literally or figuratively! And you say this JUNK could be the Word of God Shocked??!

Yeah right..more like drunken White Men writing Lies about Some Fire & Brimstone God from the Culture they come from! And since most of it come from Desert People who stole it from Other Cultures we can see how people like you and Black people in general can be confused by such nonsense. Huh....  

When your God has Been assigned to you by Your Oppressor you are still Oppressed!
Dr John Henrick Clarke.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2003, 02:36:06 PM »

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You are using the Qu'ran to back up your argumentation even if there is NOTHING that is original about of the Qu'ran. The foundational concepts of the Hebrew Torah, the bible and Qu'ran are COPIED  nearly word for word from the Book of Coming forth by Day commonly known as "The Book of the Dead"...But the Torah, the Bible and QU'RAN have been so CORRUPTED to suit the political and Econonic benefit of the Oppressors, that  it's hard to know with any certainty what to take literally or figuratively! And you say this JUNK could be the Word of God Shocked??!

Yeah right..more like drunken White Men writing Lies about Some Fire & Brimstone God from the Culture they come from! And since most of it come from Desert People who stole it from Other Cultures we can see how people like you and Black people in general can be confused by such nonsense. Huh....  

When your God has Been assigned to you by Your Oppressor you are still Oppressed!
Dr John Henrick Clarke.

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Where is your proof of this?  Why is the ORIGINAL quran still intact as it was written in its ORIGINAL time?  Can you replicate any of the words written in the quran?  No, the pure language is too complex for a human being to write.  show me a surah like the quran

EDIT:  Im assuming now that you have read the quran AND the book of the dead? Well I read the majority of the book of the dead and ive read the entire quran and I see nothing in common with the two.  You made that up.  

EDIT 2: "But the Torah, the Bible and QU'RAN have been so CORRUPTED to suit the political and Econonic benefit of the Oppressors, that  it's hard to know with any certainty what to take literally or figuratively!"  How does the Quran in anyway benefit one person more than another? Again, Read it before you argue against it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2003, 02:53:24 PM »

One more thing...

With all due respect, MKULTRA, I believe it is YOU who need to EDUCATE YOURSELF, READ and LEARN when it comes to the Torah, Bible or QU'RAN. You are a Qu'ran literalist, this is a problem! Not ONE paragraph in the Qu'ran, not ONE sentence was written by JAH-ALMIGHTY H.I.M/HERself!  MEN wrote the Torah, Bible and Qu'ran! Scholars who were writing under their names, who wanted to preserve their verse and the message wrote the Qu'ran! There are countless links to religious sites backing up my claim, do the research yourself. But anyone who believes that MEN, MERE MORTALS can copy the accounts of others without mistakes or paraphrasing has issues....Bible LITERALISM is OUTDATED and MEDIAVAL, BEST LEFT TO THOSE in DARK AGES!!

When your God has Been assigned to you by Your Oppressor you are still Oppressed!
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2003, 05:32:28 AM »


Racism and Religion
By George G.M. James

James died under mysterious circumstances shortly after the publication of Stolen Legacy in 1954.

"The Roman government, which through the edicts of Emperors Theodosius and Justinian closed down the Egyptian Mysteries...The result of this was the misrepresentation and erroneous opinion that the African Continent and people are backward in culture and have made no contribution to civilization and (B) the establishment of Christianity as a rival against the (Egyptian) Mysteries or African system of culture, in order to perpetuate this erroneous opinion. A further result has been the false worship of Greek intellect and the activities of Missionary enterprise through which the culture of Black people is caricatured both in literature and in exhibitions".

Also in 390 AD the temple of Serapis and the adjacent great library of Alexandria were destroyed by a Christian mob; twenty-five years later, the brilliant and beautiful philosopher and mathematician hypatia was gruesomely murdered in the same city by a gang of monks instigated by St Cyril. These two acts of violence mark the end of Egyptian religion and the beginning of the Christian Dark Ages.

When the Christians came into power after the edict of Constantine they were powerless against the great hold of the black Madonna on the people so they ended it by compounding her religion with theirs, changing her name of Hathor/Isis to Mary.

James continues: "Egypt was the Holy land of the ancient world and the mysteries were the one, ancient and Holy Catholic religion, whose power was supreme. This lofty culture system of the black people filled Rome with envy, and consequently she legalized Christianity, which she had persecuted for five long centuries, and set up as a state religion and as a rival of mysteries, its own mother. this is why the mysteries have been despised; this is why other ancient religions of the Black people are despised; because they are all offspring of the African mysteries, which have never been clearly understood by Europeans, and consequently have provoked their prejudice and condemnation. In keeping with the plan of Emperors Theodosius and Justinian to exterminate and forever suppress the culture system of the African continents the Christian church established its missionary enterprise to fight against what it has called paganism. Consequently missionaries and educators have gone to the mission field with a superiority complex, born of mis-education and disrespect: a prejudice which has made it impossible for them to accomplish the blessings which missionary enterprise might otherwise have accomplished. For this reason Missionary enterprise has been responsible for a positive injury against the African people, which consists of the perpetual caricature of African culture in literature and exhibitions which provoke laughter and disrespect....white and black races not only common victims of a false racial tradition about the African Continent but also partners in the solution of the problem of racial reformation".

The assault on Egypt and its history has always been under fire. The fire of hate was half burning until the 19th century when the Europeans totally rejected Egypt giving any contributions to Greece and Rome. But during this same time archaeology findings like the Rosetta stone were producing replica texts of Christianity before there was a Bible produced. I have no problem with Christianity and religion I love them all. Its okay to believe in any humanitarian doctrine you want, that our rights. What I object to is the way its been imposed upon people through the use of fear, guilt, violence and the suppression of alternative thought. But slowly this will fade with the truth coming out.

And until a long hearing of the facts reversed, perverted and falsified, makes one feel as if under a nightmare which has lasted for eighteen centuries, knowing the Truth to have been buried alive and made dumb all that time; and believing that it has only to get voice and make itself heard to end the lying once for all, and bring down the curtain of oblivion at last upon the most pitiful drama of delusion ever witnessed on the human stage.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2003, 06:52:10 PM »

Bantu-Kelani, I disagree with you on many points. Here are six of them:

1. "The bible's main purpose was a justification and a rationalization for the slave trade against people outside of Europe. That is the whole purpose and it was created from a collection of books for European Power desires."

These statements are false. Much of what is contained in the Bible- the entire Old Testament, as well as the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of John, Galatians, First John, Second John, Third John, James and Revelation- does not originate from Europe, while the origins of Hebrews and Jude are unknown. Indeed, the compilation of the New Testament began in the second century CE and was not complete until the fourth century- more than a millennium before Portuguese Christians began to acquire slaves from sub-Saharan Africa. Further, it is difficult to describe Christianity as either essentially European or essentially un-African. Christianity, received via Egypt, was adopted by Ezana, king of Ethiopian Aksum, around 325, while it was not adopted as the state religion of the Roman Empire until the reign of Theodosius (378-395). Christian missionaries were active in Nubia as early as 542 but did arrive in Germany or Scandinavia until much longer after that.

2. "What the world fail to realize is that before Europe came into existence in 808 BCE with Homer there was over 10,000 years of African Civilization before the Greeks and AFRICAN WERE MUCH MORE SPIRITUAL AND HAD MUCH MORE INTEGRITY."

How was it that "Europe came into existence in 808 BCE with Homer"? The geographical entity known as Europe has existed for millions of years. Helladic civilization emerged in that region over two thousand years before Homer. The etymological roots of the term "Europe" are to be found in ancient Assyrian. The geographical concept of Europe was further developed by classical thinkers such as Strabo, while the notion of a "European" culture did not begin to emerge until the sixteenth century.  

Any reference to "civilization" should be accompanied by a definition of the term. If "civilization" is to be defined as a Neolithic society that produced ceramics, the first African civilization emerged in Nubia around 8000 BCE while the first such civilization emerged in Greece some 2000 years later, around 6000 BCE. Alternatively, if "civilization" is identified with the ability to produce bronze tools, distinct civilizations emerged in Egypt, Nubia, Crete, Greece and Mesopotamia around 3000 BCE. It is, at any rate, problematic to maintain that "there was over 10,000 years of African Civilization before the Greeks."

Finally, how is it possible to know that Africans, or even particular groups of Africans, "were much more spiritual and had much more integrity" than any other people nearly three thousand years ago? The supposed comparison is meaningless.

3. "Now Islam and the Arabs came to Africa when the Africans were trying to get the Romans of their Back and Islam and the Arabs did get the Romans off the Africans Back."

When the Muslim conquests began in the early 630s CE the only parts of Africa controlled by the Roman (Byzantine) Empire were coastal Cyrenaica and northern Egypt. It makes little sense to say that "the Africans" were attempting to rid themselves of Roman rule upon the arrival of Arab invaders, for this is like saying that "the Europeans" were trying to get the Moors "off their back" during the Spanish "reconquista."

4. "Bible LITERALISM is OUTDATED and MEDIAVAL, BEST LEFT TO THOSE in DARKAGES!!"

It is plainly misleading to suggest that "Bible literalism" is either "outdated" or "medi[e]val." Medieval Christian theologians viewed Scripture in four possible categories of meaning: the letter (literal), the allegory, the moral teaching and the anagogy. There were of course disagreements regarding the relative merits of these categories. For example, while Diodorus of Tarsus, Hugh St. Victor, Thomas Aquinas and Nicholas of Lyra emphasized the literal interpretation at the expense of the allegorical, this latter interpretation was supported by, among others, Clement of Alexandria, Origen and Jacques Lefèvre d'Etaples.

5. "Also in 390 AD the temple of Serapis and the adjacent great library of Alexandria were destroyed by a Christian mob; twenty-five years later, the brilliant and beautiful philosopher and mathematician hypatia was gruesomely murdered in the same city by a gang of monks instigated by St Cyril."

Neither the temple of Serapis nor the library of Alexandria were of native Egyptian origin; bothwere built under the Macedonian king Ptolemy I. Alexandria was of course founded by Alexander of Macedon in 331 BCE. The Serapis worshipped at this temple was a deity fused from the characteristics of the Egyptian Serapis (itself a fusion of Osiris and the bull Apis) and the characteristics of Greek gods such as Zeus and Helios. Although damaged by rioting Christians in 391, the library of Alexandria was not "destroyed" until 641 when the Caliph of Baghdad ordered that the books stored there be burnt.

It is interesting that you bring up the murder of Hypatia. According to Socrates Scholasticus (c. 380-450), a lawyer and historian from Constantinople, Egyptian (Christian) monks killed Hypatia because they believed that she had some influence over the Roman prefect Orestes, a pagan who had complained to the emperor after the monks had forced out the Jews of Alexandria. This murder had nothing to do with any conflict between Rome and Egyptian religion.

6. "But during this same time archaeology findings like the Rosetta stone were producing replica texts of Christianity before there was a Bible produced."

While the Bible contains certain Egyptian motifs and words of Egyptian origin, no "archaelogical findings" have produced anything resembling "replica texts of Christianity." I do not see any resemblance between the text of the Rosetta stone itself and anything in the Bible.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2003, 07:02:35 PM »

It should be added that James is highly unreliable.

1. "The Roman government, which through the edicts of Emperors Theodosius and Justinian closed down the Egyptian Mysteries...The result of this was the misrepresentation and erroneous opinion that the African Continent and people are backward in culture and have made no contribution to civilization and (B) the establishment of Christianity as a rival against the (Egyptian) Mysteries or African system of culture, in order to perpetuate this erroneous opinion."

Theodosian edicts did not single out Egyptian practices; instead, they outlawed all manners of pagan worship. Further, while some of the deities worshipped by mystery cults were Egyptian (such as Isis and Separis), others were not (such as the Greek Dionysius and the Persian Mithrias). More importantly, the practices of the mystery cults are of Greek origin. The Homeric Hymn to Demeter was the basis for the Eleusian Mysteries, practiced as early as the seventh century BCE. There is no record of there having been a mystery cult in Egypt before the Macedonian conquest.

2. "This lofty culture system of the black people filled Rome with envy, and consequently she legalized Christianity, which she had persecuted for five long centuries, and set up as a state religion and as a rival of mysteries, its own mother. this is why the mysteries have been despised; this is why other ancient religions of the Black people are despised; because they are all offspring of the African mysteries, which have never been clearly understood by Europeans, and consequently have provoked their prejudice and condemnation."

There is not a shred of evidence suggesting that any "lofty culture system of the black people filled Rome with envy" or that Christianity was legalized in order to suppress the mysteries. Moreover, James erroneously suggests that Christians had been persecuted in the Roman Empire for "five long centuries" by the time their religion was legalized. Christianity emerged in the early first century and was legalized by Constantine's Edict of Milan in 313, less than three centuries after the Gospels were written. The phrase "five long centuries also suggests that the Christians were continuously persecuted accross the empire when, apart from the reign of Diocletian (284-305), the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was both sporadic and regional.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2003, 12:25:11 PM »

ryu9,

I don't know who you are or what you are. You come here  insidiously making an apology for the Religious Invasions that came with the Invaders/ the Conquers of Alkebu-lan from to the Greek, Persians, Roman North African to Arabs: THE HOLOCAUST TO BLACK PEOPLE THE WORLD OVER! But what you and your kind supporter of our Slaves Masters FAIL to do is THE STUDY THE CONQUERS and their ways of life IMPOSED on AFRIKANS!

Are you a TRUE AFRIKAN? If you were you would support  the AFRIKAN PERSPECTIVE! REALIZE, these Religions have been IMPOSED on us a WAY OF CONTROLLING us! AFRIKANS DID NOT Choose Christianity. That was NOT OUR Religion as much as Islam is not our NATURAL Religion! So AS AN AFRIKAN I will ALWAYS ATTACK White Judaism, Christian Tradition or Islamic and the HOLOCAUST it had On AFRIKANS! The CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES in the 1790's that DESTROYED MANY AFRIKAN TRIBES THAT HAS BEEN A DESTRUCTIVE FORCE ON THE OUR PSYCHE EVER SINCE! NOW it's time to bring the Naked TRUTH HOME and how THESE RELIGIONS HAVE MADE AFRIKANS AS A WHOLE DOCILE PEOPLE!

WE AS A NATION OF AFRIKANS HAVE LOST OUR KNOWLEDGE OF SELF, to think the Bible or any of the Conquers  'Holy' TEXTS is GODS word that was given to GOD inspired priests yes the same priest who are running around plugging little boys Huh Angry..

I want my PEOPLE the AFRIKANS to WAKE UP and REALIZE When your God Has Been assigned to you by your Oppressor you are still OPPRESSED! Dr John Henrick Clarke!


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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2003, 01:18:12 PM »

No, I do not identify myself as a “true Afrikan”- whatever that is. What necessarily compels me to “support the Afrikan perspective”- as if such things as the transmission of culture(s) cannot be addressed from a multitude of perspectives- as if there is actually such a thing as a homogenous “Afrikan perspective” on these matters? Further, how did I “insidiously” make “an apology for the Religious Invasions”? I was simply engaging some of your baseless rhetoric, the likes of which you of course continue to spew.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2003, 01:50:02 PM »

Well, others are hearing you. However, you fail to respond to Bantu-Kelani's overarching point. Sometimes we can lose the forest for the trees.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2003, 02:09:19 PM »

Greetings in the name of the most high Jah!

Most thanks to Bantu-Kelani for bringing this topic to surface once again

I man just like to add my opinion here without having to resort to old historical facts (most of which are inaccurate).
Christianity as I man is aware is not an African Concept, I am of the yoruba tribe and we practice our own religion (Ifa). No doubt christianity was thrust upon we Africans with great weight and yoke this cannot be denied by missionaries from Europe and afar. Racism was the pill and Africans were taught to hate all that was old and love that which is new Christian.


For ryu9
Your argument seems to weigh heavily in favour of Europe, whilst your use of names and dates also show your grasp of European history!but not entirely that of christian history.Nor African history. Christianity brought with it excess baggage of racism upon the people of Africa by its European missionaries!!!

" IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF ITS OWN CULTURE ALONE LIES TRUE PROGRESS FOR AFRICANS" .

A people can only progress through the upward development of what it already possesses, and not by the adoption of something it has borrowed. Taking something over is not progress, for progress is InI know it, shows itself in the improvement of what already exist. This alone should cause some reflection, seen!. What is borrowed (christianity) or taken over is not our property, not even if Africans now choose to now make it so!with the excess amount of evanglical churches springing up in Africa usurping peoples money in the name of Christianity!!!

Christinaity is not something we have persoanlly achieved, and is not a result of african people's own spirit, of which alone InI can be and must be proud!

We as Africans, have to be great within Africa,(we have to let the people there become great within thereselves) entirely out of Africa, and through our own abilities in Africa. Therefore true progress for Africans again, lies solely in the development of its own culture adapted to the soil, climate and race.

Failure to observe this simply law is what has resulted in retrogression and collapse in Africa as witness today.

Bantu-Kelani keep educating and leave distractors like ryu9 with his European blundered mind  still struggle to grasp things with his earthly intellect.This topic is spiritual and calls forth for spiritual understanding not no academic mind boggling date spewing rivalry. But what does it profit you to acquire all this knowledge which is very binding.

Time as come to forge ahead in awakening Africa to its lost glory.

Africans at home and abroad should always be aware of adopting the habits and customs of people alien to our nature. Not to mention all the foreign opinions now thrust upon our so called "leaders" in Africa Who are acting like fools with no brain adopting all this so called foreign policies - IMF, World Bank, etc and quite clearly against its peoples interest.

DEM ALL CRACY!!!!..........democracy?Huh


Rasta nah have time to play blind.


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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2003, 02:09:55 PM »

ryu9

You are not Even AFRIKAN! Why should I waste my time reasoning with someone who has NEVER felt and suffered for 500 years due to INVASIONS, ENSLAVEMENT and OPPRESSION?? I was right, I SEE how your Caucasian MIND, (or whatever you are) will NEVER be able to Intepret AFRIKAN Feelings and Spirit. It takes the the dishonored, the shamed, the Orphan, the poor, the Oppresed AFRIKAN to understand the suffering of the Oppresed AFRIKAN!

The Humanitarian HYPOCRISY of your people who claim to want the LIBERATION of AFRIKANS is BLATANT by the way you ALL refuse HONEST Discussions about Our Past/PRESENT Physical/Spiritual OPPRESSION by  MOST of your CAUCASOID people and ARABS. YOu are LIARS, cancers to the WORLD, your only AGENDA is to DESTROY AFRIKANS within our OWN MOVEMENTS and VILLAGES! You have NOTHING to contribute to the BLACK RACE - Now GO AWAY let the AFRIKANS ALONE, EDUCATE themselves, RE-LEARN their ROOTS, ORGANIZE and BETTER their CONDITION!!


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We should first show solidarity with each other. We are Africans. We are black. Our first priority is ourselves.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2003, 08:07:10 PM »

Rootsie, the “overarching point” seems to have been four-fold:

1. Modern Christian missionaries were European, therefore Christianity is essentially European.

2. Since modern Christian missionaries arrived in Africa amidst the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism, Christianity was founded for the purpose of oppressing Africans.

3. Since Christianity is derived from Judaism, Judaism was also founded for the purpose of oppressing Africans.

4. Since Muslims conquered and enslaved Africans, and since Islam is also derived from Judaism, Islam was founded for the purpose of conquering and enslaving Africans.

Though I said little about Judaism and Islam, my argument certainly disproves the first two points.

There seems to be another argument that I have not addressed: that Judaism, Christianity and Islam must be rejected in order to resist western imperialism. With respect to Christianity, Bantu-Kelani states that, “My concern here is to speak out and liberate us from a doctrine that cannot save African people but enslave them. Christianity has made Africans docile and passive . . .”

Similarly, according to RasBenjamine:

“Christinaity is not something we have persoanlly achieved, and is not a result of african people's own spirit, of which alone InI can be and must be proud! . . .
Therefore true progress for Africans again, lies solely in the development of its own culture adapted to the soil, climate and race. Failure to observe this simply law is what has resulted in retrogression and collapse in Africa as witness today.”

This would have been strange news to Ethiopian Christians, whose tradition is now nearly 1700 years old, and it would have been particularly strange to the Christian Menelik II, the only African leader to have successfully halted a European military incursion during the “scramble for Africa.”
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